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Can anyone catch me up on why people hate this game? Other than the mainline never progressing i dont get it.
Urgh, you're asking for a pretty hefty summarization there, but I'll give it a shot with what I can remember off the top of my head.

Firstly, and this is my personal pet peeve, the game's writers are constantly dictating what the player character is thinking or feeling. The player doesn't have much control or voice, and no matter who or what you have shaped yourself to be in the game, you will be depicted as whatever Savin and his out of touch writing team need- or just want- to depict you as.

Which leads into the second major problem, some of the writing team just hates the playerbase and isn't even remotely discrete about it. They pick fights with people on the forums or over Discord, and when writing for the game, they make a point of depicting the player character as spineless, shameful, and pathetic at every opportunity. The most egregious example that comes to most folk's minds would be Tobs- short for The Observer- and his kitsune content.
Over some petty back and forth about incest fetishism with some rando on the forums who asked about whether or not Kinu would ever be a romance option, Tobs decided to write an expansion in which Kinu finds love with Tobs' self insert who 'is better at everything than the player character'. The entirety of the kitsune expansion is just packed with venom and spite for the playerbase, taking every chance he could to belittle and disempower the player character. He then went on to commission lewd fanart of his self insert having sex with Kinu, and wrote fanfics about their sex life. He's a weird and petty guy, that Tobs.

Thirdly, the lore is an absolute mess right now. There are so many plotholes, and so much of the writing is spectacle over substance. Savin and his team write by the rule of cool, they aren't really thinking longterm, they don't have answers for or solutions to plotholes, and when they're really being pressed by the players to explain they'll just snap back with some variation of "I am the writer, whatever I say is canon IS the canon."
To offer some examples, the living gods in the game are depicted as being all powerful super beings that can show up at a moment's notice and down unbeatable foes like it's nothing. In theory, they could just solve the entire game's plot in a heartbeat. Your adventure is pointless if the world can be saved with a sneeze from these super heroes- but the only explanations given for why they aren't actually bothering to save the day is 'they're busy', or 'they're watching Kass to learn from her'. Buuuut, these living gods can also put souls back into bodies thereby nullifying corruption and could effortlessly fulfill Kass' wish (the exact thing Kass is studying so why are you even watching her if you already know how to do what she's struggling to learn to do), and just.. Y'know.. Stop this whole demonic invasion dead in it's tracks. Trade her for whatever knowledge they're hoping to get out of her. Again, they just don't. There's a legion of justice comprised entirely of different versions of SuperMan, and they're not doing anything. They aren't the only ones either, the writers keep introducing OCs and self inserts that could effortlessly save the day, and they just aren't. They're writing the player to be a pushover who can only gape in awe at the magnificence of the rippling muscles and throbbing horse cocks of these TRUE champions that the writers assure us are so amazingly interesting and cool and hot- and it's just a miserable slog that keeps piling on questions like "What am I even doing here, why isn't this guy saving the day if he could do it so effortlessly?"
Then there's questions about why everyone is so cool with the Mallach temple grooming kids to join their cult, or why all the living god cults are so accepted everywhere when the living gods themselves are so apathetic and aloof that they can't even be bothered to care when their followers are dying to demons right in front of their altars. Or why everyone in this totally pure, non-corrupt world is even sluttier and more shameless than Kass and her demons are. Or why you, the player character, should even care when nearly everyone else in the plot is just shrugging their shoulders indifferently to the demonic plague spreading through the land. I mean, if they don't care, whatever, you're not even from the north in most character backstories, just go back home to the south and leave these apathetic demigods to find the motivation to fix everything with a snap of their fingers.

Fourth, the writing itself is just bad. The different writers do not have a unified voice, they all have very different writing styles and approaches to every scene, and depict the player character as very different stereotypes with the only unifying theme being that the player character is weak and falls for any tits or dicks above a certain size, love at first sight if it's a horse dick. Dialogue with characters is usually clumsy lore dumps. You ask someone why they aren't eating the peas on their plate, and they'll start telling you a three page story about how their father died to a pod of peas with little stick arms and legs when they were only six years old, and all throughout the lore dump, you're a vapid vehicle for the writer to show off their shiny new character. You sit there and emote exactly how the writer wants you to. "Wow, that's heavy stuff. You are filled with a deep sense of empathy, and feel ashamed for having unwittingly brought up their pea-related trauma so thoughtlessly. But you are too socially inept to come up with any way to make it up to her, so you sit in awkward silence and allow her to continue monologuing about her life."

Fifth, this game doesn't do variety. Horse cocks, horse cocks, futa horse cocks, men with horse cocks, Cait's taking it up the ass from Brint and the boys again, penis goes into vagoo, woowoo. Savin and his team have like three collective fetishes between them, and that's all they write. Big boobs, big dicks, and muscles. Unless you're someone that can get unreasonably aroused over seeing your seventeenth horse dick within the span of thirty minutes of playtime, you'll find yourself entirely flaccid/dry. Nothing kinky happens in Hawkethorne. It's just meat on meat forever and always.

Sixth, this game doesn't do romance. Relationships are awful, you can't expect anyone to be exclusive or faithful to you, Brint or Arona will always show up to have a piece of whatever you're getting into. Cait too, she'll sleep with anyone- even the people she claims she absolutely hates like the demons, if you give her a chance to gag on a demonic centaur's cock, she's down for that and will swallow as much corrupt spunk as she can get. You can't get to know anyone- you can get them to give you their life story in a lore dump, but actually building any kind of attachment or bond between you and them is just not something the writers comprehend how to do. Kinu is probably the closest they ever came, I think? But she's a trap, because down that way, only Tobs lay.

The game is selling itself as something it's not. It doesn't give players choices beyond what they look like- and even that's been getting pruned back as much as possible because Savin finds it to be a hassle they don't want to have to deal with any longer. The gameplay is really clunky, awkward, and not at all interesting, anyone playing this for the combat has... Interesting tastes, would be the nice way to put it. The exploration is pointless because the maps are large but there's nothing to be found across any of them. The game has been in development hell for ages now.
People are upset because they wanted it to be good. Character creation is rare in adult games, and there are options to play as things that you can't normally play as in ANY games, period. It's just that this game isn't good, and it isn't letting players roleplay, it's dictating everything they do or say to them without bothering to ask for the player's input or opinion. It's disappointment and frustration. We wanted better than Savin and his gang's OC VN.
 

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Pretty good write up m8. Though I will say, Tobs "salt mining" with Kinu was not about people asking for Kinu incest on the forums. No, it's actually way more stupid than that.

Tobs wrote Kinu like that from the get go to get back at people for the Helspawn debacle from back in CoC I.

For the uninitiated, one of Savin's first characters he ever worked on was Helia, a salamander berserker from the first Corruption of Champions. She was the first of his "slut" archetypes, followed by Anno in TiTs and Cait here in CoC II. But there was a noticeable difference in that you could make her stop being a slut and get herself cleaned up into a waifu type character that included things like pregnancy.

This would result in a daughter you could name generically called Helspawn. Now, CoC I was a way different game than CoC II or even TiTs. It explored a lot more extreme fetishes. One of which was parent to child incest. Numerous other characters like Tamani, Sofia, and a few more I probably can't recall could all birth daughters that you could subsequently fuck as well.

Savin had previously said he would be making Helspawn sexable, but in true Savin fashion, he dragged his feet and was being lazy about it. Naturally, people kept asking and pestering him, because he said it was in the pipeline, but no progress was being made. And eventually Savin crashed out and made a big fuss about it.

Then in Fall of Eden, a separate game that had some ties to Corruption of Champions, there's a salamander NPC called Cassidy who is written by Tobs. Whose backstory is that her grandmother, Helspawn, was being groomed by the champ of CoC I with Helia's approval, and ran away to the world of FOE.

Keep in mind, all of the drama with Helia was between Savin and other people. Tobs literally was not even on the scene when it went down. That means Tobs got so mindbroken about events that didn't even happen to him, he wrote two spite characters about it.
 

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Pretty good write up m8. Though I will say, Tobs "salt mining" with Kinu was not about people asking for Kinu incest on the forums. No, it's actually way more stupid than that.

Tobs wrote Kinu like that from the get go to get back at people for the Helspawn debacle from back in CoC I.

For the uninitiated, one of Savin's first characters he ever worked on was Helia, a salamander berserker from the first Corruption of Champions. She was the first of his "slut" archetypes, followed by Anno in TiTs and Cait here in CoC II. But there was a noticeable difference in that you could make her stop being a slut and get herself cleaned up into a waifu type character that included things like pregnancy.

This would result in a daughter you could name generically called Helspawn. Now, CoC I was a way different game than CoC II or even TiTs. It explored a lot more extreme fetishes. One of which was parent to child incest. Numerous other characters like Tamani, Sofia, and a few more I probably can't recall could all birth daughters that you could subsequently fuck as well.

Savin had previously said he would be making Helspawn sexable, but in true Savin fashion, he dragged his feet and was being lazy about it. Naturally, people kept asking and pestering him, because he said it was in the pipeline, but no progress was being made. And eventually Savin crashed out and made a big fuss about it.

Then in Fall of Eden, a separate game that had some ties to Corruption of Champions, there's a salamander NPC called Cassidy who is written by Tobs. Whose backstory is that her grandmother, Helspawn, was being groomed by the champ of CoC I with Helia's approval, and ran away to the world of FOE.

Keep in mind, all of the drama with Helia was between Savin and other people. Tobs literally was not even on the scene when it went down. That means Tobs got so mindbroken about events that didn't even happen to him, he wrote two spite characters about it.
So, Tobs's generational trauma came from Savin, all that petty energy and moral issues that go nowhere are about shit he had nothing to do about?

Bro has been hitting his own hands while writing smut for his fictional daughter banging his fictional self, to own people who also have nothing to do with this, all because his DM is lazy?

My sides are lost forever :KEK:

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It's just about Domination and Submission because the people on the internet are so sexually (and probably actually) repressed all they can see is having control over that aspect of their life (because they feel lacking elsewhere) and not actually liking/loving someone.
FUCKING THIS, I knew I wasn't the only one feeling this.
 

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When it comes to Quinn Arona says it best. Orc wife Arona: 'Won't suck my dick, so don't care.'

He's definitely for a different crowd, but I don't interact with him for the same reason I didn't eve. We're both doms and he has nothing worth writing home about. Well, I am wrong; he's the only companion I genuinely dislike. Just a thirsty loser. Who the fuck tells you that "Hey maybe ask your fox wife to give me a pity fuck?'

All his companion comments are how he wants to fuck them, except for Arona(7'10). Where he questions how my 8'7 draconic warrior character, who is built like a he eats bodybuilders is the dom in the relationship. I just-I just want to hurt him so bad, man.
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So Glad the kill option exist tho hindsight is necessary but worth it.
It not about the fetish, its about the character and it is sorely lacking
 

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It feels weird reading all this shit about the Kitsune, because I have barely ever really engaged with them. They are in a sense very out of the way from where you have to go, and I dunno I just don't vibe with them. I do like some Kitsune in other media, like Tamamo and Suzuka in Fate, but for the most part I've always been indifferent to them as a race. Somewhat related but it seems odd that it is a mono-race colony and there aren't specifically other flavors of Japanese-ish furry variants like nekomatas or sneks or spider girls, even the orcs who have a natural inclination (and expectation) for hostility had a lizard working for them.

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It feels weird reading all this shit about the Kitsune, because I have barely ever really engaged with them. They are in a sense very out of the way from where you have to go, and I dunno I just don't vibe with them. I do like some Kitsune in other media, like Tamamo and Suzuka in Fate, but for the most part I've always been indifferent to them as a race. Somewhat related but it seems odd that it is a mono-race colony and there aren't specifically other flavors of Japanese-ish furry variants like nekomatas or sneks or spider girls, even the orcs who have a natural inclination (and expectation) for hostility had a lizard working for them.

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Kiyoko said they do have all of that, back at home, where you'll never see them... Nekomatas, onis, other tanukis that are not Evergreen or her daughters and all of that that you're thinking about right now

But not for you

No kapa gf
No cute oni
No tengu mommy
No nothing

I guess some things are not meant to be...
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After my daily dose of doom scrolling through this forum to read all the complaints, the only thing that ever comes to mind is: damn, Moira's art is really wasted in this game lol

Seriously, pretty good art ngl, whoever did Etheryn's newer portraits is nice as well, and i low-key think this is the sole reason I ever enjoyed this game more than TiTS or CoC I when I started playing them
 

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Kiyoko said they do have all of that, back at home, where you'll never see them... Nekomatas, onis, other tanukis that are not Evergreen or her daughters and all of that that you're thinking about right now

But not for you

No kapa gf
No cute oni
No tengu mommy
No nothing

I guess some things are not meant to be...
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Meanwhile original CoC, which had a female oni character you could befriend (and fuck), with bonus points for her being tall ( 9'0") and strong:
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P.S. Not even talking about original CoC kitsunes from the mansion.
 

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If only the poor Savin had time for fixing all this mess, to do actual content for the game in decent amount. But he so busy, so busy! I'll tell you, running 3 simultaneous campaign in TTRPG AND learning WH40k on VTT could make you super tired, trust me. Give fella a slack, will you? He just wants have some fun in his life... and that money from Patreon.

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Sad truth is, I don't even consider that exclusive to CoC2, MOST western porn is suffering this problem. I think that plays a huge role in the same-yness. After all, there's only so many ways you can be submissive or dominant.
I think soooome of the homogenized fetishism comes down to how easily offended people are, and all the different kinds of copyright and libel laws and ToS concerns- you can't push boundaries or do anything too spicy while still charging for the game. All it takes is one crazy dude taking offense to get your project taken down off of whatever sites or services you were relying on to host it during it's development. But a large chunk of it is probably just laziness, people will pay for slop so there's no reason to provide anything more than penis-in-vagina-on-loop.

There are definitely more ways to play out power dynamics than what's on display in CoC2 though. It's very blunt and lazy about it, but I think there's nothing wrong with that kind of fetish on a conceptual level. It just needed so much more. They're serving you up an unflavored side dish for your entire meal. There needs to be more food (contexts) on the plate, more seasonings (actual emotional payoffs and investments for the players), more nutritional value (I'm losing track of this metaphor-)

Point is, DomSub whatever should probably be an added meaty layer to scenes, not the entirety of every scene.
Throw on something cool and crisp like a slice of physical intimacy, top that with something spicy like incest, give it a pinch of complexity with a dash of regret/doubt/shame, and obviously lots of player choice to customize the friggin' meal how they like it. Hold the onions, extra tomatoes.
 

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I've seen plenty of projects in the same vein die since the High Tail Hall days, too ambitious, too promising and failing too early. It's kind of sad because really, there's nothing in the adult fantasy genre that comes close to CoC2 and CoC2 is mediocre at best

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It feels like that sense of wonder you would get from an old rpg is gone from most things, devs trying too hard to not offend anyone, to include everyone, to make themselves look edgy and inoffensive at the same thing while being none. Maybe there's a lack of perspective in most of them about what it means to tackle a big project or their own communities become toxic and they just give up, because there are games like mad island that is just huge, with a bunch of stuff and I wonder, "how great would it be to have something like that but with fantasy", and that doesn't exist yet, maybe never will


Funny thing is that headcanon is the one thing keeping me playing, the second I let this be the full Savin & Co., experience I'm mentally gone from all of this

Playing with Atila wolf girl (leader of heaven & hell) is only fun as long as I can skim through what I care none about, and that's why Kinu will never marry, ever


A simple, "yes I'm a pervert, but patreon rules stop me from writing that in the game" should've be enough instead of a long ass meltdown about his feelings. Savin should've seen that coming and said "no, we are not doing that" and that's it

The sad part is that once again, there are reasons for Kinu not wanting his mom/dad to seek revenge as the natural fear of a son or daughter to see a loved one being hurt or consumed by their anger, and there's an almost understandable lesson about being self reliant, but this girl was attacked twice by the same creepy guy and no one, no one had the idea to maybe, getting some help?

Seriously, just ask. People at the Wayfort know you're married to Kiyoko and have kids with her, there's zero reason to let them unprotected. Almost every other one of your kids, even the nameless, happen to be cared by someone competent (kids at the wolf tavern have a child killer grandma but she's on your side now, thankfully) because you, the champion, are a prime target for that ball freak

I insist, buy her a helmet, let me buy Kinu a helmet. It would fix so many problems
Yeah, honestly if I did not headcanon most of this shit I wouldn't be able to play it. But that's a lot of games with good smut but mid or lower story. I'm surprised by how little it actually bothers me. I really appreciate the corruption aspect, and that is what made me enjoy the original game. It's wasn't just about corrupting them it was about shaping them into being dependant and subservient to you. And you can headcanon the why's and hows. I always had a thing for evil playthroughs, why still being generally nice person to certain party members I liked.

I never personally liked how coc2 is like "if you re 100% corrupt, you are going to be turned into a demon." That wasn't true for first game you can be corrupt and still keep your soul. Maybe not your humanity, but the ending implied how you managed to extend your life and actually use the corruption smartly to win wars and force people to surrender.

If not for all your babies turning into imps I think it would be a neat game mechanic to see how playing as a demon would be like. It could be similar to being a goo person in TiTs where you can modify your body shape from height, weight, how many legs, how you walk, how many gentials and what type they were. It gave you a lot of options. But you had to have goo fluids to do it.
 
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Urgh, you're asking for a pretty hefty summarization there, but I'll give it a shot with what I can remember off the top of my head.

Firstly, and this is my personal pet peeve, the game's writers are constantly dictating what the player character is thinking or feeling. The player doesn't have much control or voice, and no matter who or what you have shaped yourself to be in the game, you will be depicted as whatever Savin and his out of touch writing team need- or just want- to depict you as.

Which leads into the second major problem, some of the writing team just hates the playerbase and isn't even remotely discrete about it. They pick fights with people on the forums or over Discord, and when writing for the game, they make a point of depicting the player character as spineless, shameful, and pathetic at every opportunity. The most egregious example that comes to most folk's minds would be Tobs- short for The Observer- and his kitsune content.
Over some petty back and forth about incest fetishism with some rando on the forums who asked about whether or not Kinu would ever be a romance option, Tobs decided to write an expansion in which Kinu finds love with Tobs' self insert who 'is better at everything than the player character'. The entirety of the kitsune expansion is just packed with venom and spite for the playerbase, taking every chance he could to belittle and disempower the player character. He then went on to commission lewd fanart of his self insert having sex with Kinu, and wrote fanfics about their sex life. He's a weird and petty guy, that Tobs.

Thirdly, the lore is an absolute mess right now. There are so many plotholes, and so much of the writing is spectacle over substance. Savin and his team write by the rule of cool, they aren't really thinking longterm, they don't have answers for or solutions to plotholes, and when they're really being pressed by the players to explain they'll just snap back with some variation of "I am the writer, whatever I say is canon IS the canon."
To offer some examples, the living gods in the game are depicted as being all powerful super beings that can show up at a moment's notice and down unbeatable foes like it's nothing. In theory, they could just solve the entire game's plot in a heartbeat. Your adventure is pointless if the world can be saved with a sneeze from these super heroes- but the only explanations given for why they aren't actually bothering to save the day is 'they're busy', or 'they're watching Kass to learn from her'. Buuuut, these living gods can also put souls back into bodies thereby nullifying corruption and could effortlessly fulfill Kass' wish (the exact thing Kass is studying so why are you even watching her if you already know how to do what she's struggling to learn to do), and just.. Y'know.. Stop this whole demonic invasion dead in it's tracks. Trade her for whatever knowledge they're hoping to get out of her. Again, they just don't. There's a legion of justice comprised entirely of different versions of SuperMan, and they're not doing anything. They aren't the only ones either, the writers keep introducing OCs and self inserts that could effortlessly save the day, and they just aren't. They're writing the player to be a pushover who can only gape in awe at the magnificence of the rippling muscles and throbbing horse cocks of these TRUE champions that the writers assure us are so amazingly interesting and cool and hot- and it's just a miserable slog that keeps piling on questions like "What am I even doing here, why isn't this guy saving the day if he could do it so effortlessly?"
Then there's questions about why everyone is so cool with the Mallach temple grooming kids to join their cult, or why all the living god cults are so accepted everywhere when the living gods themselves are so apathetic and aloof that they can't even be bothered to care when their followers are dying to demons right in front of their altars. Or why everyone in this totally pure, non-corrupt world is even sluttier and more shameless than Kass and her demons are. Or why you, the player character, should even care when nearly everyone else in the plot is just shrugging their shoulders indifferently to the demonic plague spreading through the land. I mean, if they don't care, whatever, you're not even from the north in most character backstories, just go back home to the south and leave these apathetic demigods to find the motivation to fix everything with a snap of their fingers.
So Glad the kill option exist tho hindsight is necessary but worth it.
It not about the fetish, its about the character and it is sorely lacking
Fourth, the writing itself is just bad. The different writers do not have a unified voice, they all have very different writing styles and approaches to every scene, and depict the player character as very different stereotypes with the only unifying theme being that the player character is weak and falls for any tits or dicks above a certain size, love at first sight if it's a horse dick. Dialogue with characters is usually clumsy lore dumps. You ask someone why they aren't eating the peas on their plate, and they'll start telling you a three page story about how their father died to a pod of peas with little stick arms and legs when they were only six years old, and all throughout the lore dump, you're a vapid vehicle for the writer to show off their shiny new character. You sit there and emote exactly how the writer wants you to. "Wow, that's heavy stuff. You are filled with a deep sense of empathy, and feel ashamed for having unwittingly brought up their pea-related trauma so thoughtlessly. But you are too socially inept to come up with any way to make it up to her, so you sit in awkward silence and allow her to continue monologuing about her life."

Fifth, this game doesn't do variety. Horse cocks, horse cocks, futa horse cocks, men with horse cocks, Cait's taking it up the ass from Brint and the boys again, penis goes into vagoo, woowoo. Savin and his team have like three collective fetishes between them, and that's all they write. Big boobs, big dicks, and muscles. Unless you're someone that can get unreasonably aroused over seeing your seventeenth horse dick within the span of thirty minutes of playtime, you'll find yourself entirely flaccid/dry. Nothing kinky happens in Hawkethorne. It's just meat on meat forever and always.

Sixth, this game doesn't do romance. Relationships are awful, you can't expect anyone to be exclusive or faithful to you, Brint or Arona will always show up to have a piece of whatever you're getting into. Cait too, she'll sleep with anyone- even the people she claims she absolutely hates like the demons, if you give her a chance to gag on a demonic centaur's cock, she's down for that and will swallow as much corrupt spunk as she can get. You can't get to know anyone- you can get them to give you their life story in a lore dump, but actually building any kind of attachment or bond between you and them is just not something the writers comprehend how to do. Kinu is probably the closest they ever came, I think? But she's a trap, because down that way, only Tobs lay.

The game is selling itself as something it's not. It doesn't give players choices beyond what they look like- and even that's been getting pruned back as much as possible because Savin finds it to be a hassle they don't want to have to deal with any longer. The gameplay is really clunky, awkward, and not at all interesting, anyone playing this for the combat has... Interesting tastes, would be the nice way to put it. The exploration is pointless because the maps are large but there's nothing to be found across any of them. The game has been in development hell for ages now.
People are upset because they wanted it to be good. Character creation is rare in adult games, and there are options to play as things that you can't normally play as in ANY games, period. It's just that this game isn't good, and it isn't letting players roleplay, it's dictating everything they do or say to them without bothering to ask for the player's input or opinion. It's disappointment and frustration. We wanted better than Savin and his gang's OC VN.
I agree with some of this, but I have no idea what you are talking about on two subjects. The only characters I know who can handle Kass are the gods. What other character are you talking about that can handle the shit we can that aren't the gods

? Because from my knowledge there are only two champions, yourself and Calise. Lumia had a pretty good reason for being passive for a bit, considering there was an Abyssal thing trying to take over her, which you helped with.
So Glad the kill option exist tho hindsight is necessary but worth it.
It not about the fetish, its about the character and it is sorely lacking
You're telling me there was a kill option? Dang, I'm playing my original character. Honestly, he isn't worth killing. He's just so cringe and all interactions with him make me regret recruiting him.
 
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Pretty good write up m8. Though I will say, Tobs "salt mining" with Kinu was not about people asking for Kinu incest on the forums. No, it's actually way more stupid than that.

Tobs wrote Kinu like that from the get go to get back at people for the Helspawn debacle from back in CoC I.

For the uninitiated, one of Savin's first characters he ever worked on was Helia, a salamander berserker from the first Corruption of Champions. She was the first of his "slut" archetypes, followed by Anno in TiTs and Cait here in CoC II. But there was a noticeable difference in that you could make her stop being a slut and get herself cleaned up into a waifu type character that included things like pregnancy.

This would result in a daughter you could name generically called Helspawn. Now, CoC I was a way different game than CoC II or even TiTs. It explored a lot more extreme fetishes. One of which was parent to child incest. Numerous other characters like Tamani, Sofia, and a few more I probably can't recall could all birth daughters that you could subsequently fuck as well.

Savin had previously said he would be making Helspawn sexable, but in true Savin fashion, he dragged his feet and was being lazy about it. Naturally, people kept asking and pestering him, because he said it was in the pipeline, but no progress was being made. And eventually Savin crashed out and made a big fuss about it.

Then in Fall of Eden, a separate game that had some ties to Corruption of Champions, there's a salamander NPC called Cassidy who is written by Tobs. Whose backstory is that her grandmother, Helspawn, was being groomed by the champ of CoC I with Helia's approval, and ran away to the world of FOE.

Keep in mind, all of the drama with Helia was between Savin and other people. Tobs literally was not even on the scene when it went down. That means Tobs got so mindbroken about events that didn't even happen to him, he wrote two spite characters about it.
IIRC you could fuck the helspawn.
she just had lots of WIP and TODO signs.
Savin's greatest pet peve is people asking him to finish what he started
 

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Ah, Izumi. Good times.

Both because your PC mattered and because she was awesome.
I remember her but I don't really think you befriended her. Atleast in my eyes it was dom or be dom'ed.
I think you misunderstand me. I am not saying every choice we make in the game that locks us out of content is corruption. The game has quite a few choices and some of them have no 'corrupt' or 'evil' choice. And some of those choices lock you out of content.

I am saying every time we encouter the Corruption the game actively encourages you to purify it, and punishes you if you fail to do so.

The instances we have of Kas' corruption are:
The Wayfort- No choices are made here.
The Hornet Hive- The correct choice is ALWAYS to purify it. You loose access to Azyrran if you corrupt it and gain literally nothing.
The initial Winter City Dungeon- This has 2 choices.
1)The Romance vs Rival one: (The Lore thus far supports the Romance path)
2) Jael'yn to Bar or Wayfort (The Bar has more scenes. Its VERY close though so if it wasn't for everything else I wouldn't notice.)
The Centaur Dungeon -The correct call is ALWAYS to purify the village. You loose access to a number of scene if you don't, with no benifit.

I can go on.

We have yet to have a single decision in game where "I am going to do the bad thing" has rewarded us.

At least with the temple example you give, an attempt has been made to make the alternative path attractive, even if its not ideal. When it comes to the games central plot the game very much has a preference.
I just made two characters for a pure and corrupt path. While it might take 70 years, my main profile is holding out for more corruption stuff. Plus I saved edited to get Azyrran in my party,
 

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IIRC you could fuck the helspawn.
she just had lots of WIP and TODO signs.
Savin's greatest pet peve is people asking him to finish what he started
and unlike George he does not have the excuse that no mater what the book will be like that he will literally get crucified
 
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That last point about Takahiro just makes me… Like, I can’t even begin to wrap my head around how it’s supposed to make anyone feel bad for him, unles that person was already projecting himself onto Takahiro to an insane degree. Like, imagine the same scenario in a modern setting:

Dude proposes to girl, gets rejected. So he decides to go get a degree overseas or something. Only he falls in with the stoner crowd, and becomes a fucking failure. Having nothing better to do, he comes home and just wastes away while being a grade-A asshole to everybody. (And somehow every girl still wants to fuck this loser.)

Like, getting rejected sucks, but the way he takes it—especially that part about the duel—makes him a whiny bitch, not a sympathetic hero, and everything else is completely on him. He decided to go on a stupid quest, he’s responsible for his fucking alcohol problem, and he’s most definitely to blame for his shitty attitude.

Like, can you imagine being Azami and still being into this guy? After years of him being nothing but a worthless, drunken wreck? After he tried to kill your fucking father?
Man, am I happy Azami has got sex option so I can imagine Takahiro drunkenly crying while watching me impregnate the girl who said no to him.


I don't care about the fox dude, he's just as bland as all the other kitsune I can't dick. I'm glad he didn't get his content finished, the whole plan sounded cringe.The whole plan relied on the player giving a shit about Takahiro in the first place to want to help him. He made a terrible first impression and I'm only going to the kitsune den to be around my fox wife.
 
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