Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Alterism]

and maybe why many of them are not herms

Doubtful given the one poll they did looped shemales and futas.
I voted into that thinking I'd get one thing. Though in the end it's not like literally any of those polls ended up mattering.

In hindsight I should have guessed that, given Savin's leaning towards it. It's his game, so there are lots of dickgirls.

 

[Skandranon]

Doubtful given the one poll they did looped shemales and futas.
I voted into that thinking I'd get one thing. Though in the end it's not like literally any of those polls ended up mattering.

In hindsight I should have guessed that, given Savin's leaning towards it. It's his game, so there are lots of dickgirls.

If we want to dig deeper, it's mostly Fenoxo's fault.

Pretty much everyone writing now is basically an ascended member of the audience Fen cultivated, either through CoC1 or TiTs.

Said audience is just feeding itself.

 

[Comiies]

If we want to dig deeper, it's mostly Fenoxo's fault.

Pretty much everyone writing now is basically an ascended member of the audience Fen cultivated, either through CoC1 or TiTs.

Said audience is just feeding itself.

This is just a messed up porn addicted ego tripping version of ouroboros.But instead of representing infinity it represents low quality highly fetishized porn

 

[Deviton123]

Doubtful given the one poll they did looped shemales and futas.
I voted into that thinking I'd get one thing. Though in the end it's not like literally any of those polls ended up mattering.

In hindsight I should have guessed that, given Savin's leaning towards it. It's his game, so there are lots of dickgirls.

Why the fuck do I have to agree with bubbles? What is this world coming to?

 

[Alterism]

Pretty much everyone writing now is basically an ascended member

More that they were people who ended up becoming friends with the inner circle and successfully avoided drama. Either by just missing it outright or taking Fen's side when he was being a bit unreasonable. And if the talent that made CoC1 what it was still existed in it's entirety we'd be in a different state altogether.

But they're not. Most of the writers for the majority of the characters people like dropped out before CoC1 even finished. So what you have left when a person who only liked the single fetish and none of the others is a game that exhibits that fetish and none of the others. A TF game with hardly any TF support. A corruption game with no corruption.

Edit: After having the morning coffee and being a bit more lucid. I've gotten way off point. There's not that many dickgirls. The goblin, Etheryn, Alissa or however that's spelled, whatever that beer lizards named, Evelyn, that one chick in the woods. And that's it isn't it?

 

[NaturalEnclave]

Isn't it obvious? They're not into that. That and the fact that almost no one else is into that, too. There's no incentive for them, monetary or not.

It's also why futas are so prominent and maybe why many of them are not herms, something I'm thankful for.

You know, something has been on my mind and I have to ask y'all about it.

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

The reason behind it is that usually, some of the best works are written because the writer/s are passionate about something. Variety might be the spice of life, but realistically speaking, if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder. By that point - they would just be fulfilling the diversity quota. They would create, write and add character they don't fully care about because they exist just to add one hyper-specific fetish that a lot of people like and not because anyone on the dev team has anything to say or do with that character.

A lot of best porn games are hyper-specific. They target 1 specific fetish and make a game where it's the main idea. They might add a few complimentary fetishes and integrate them well enough, but "The Core Fetish" is still there. Fenoxo's games, meanwhile, sort of feel like... "We are X setting with EVERY fetish"? It's kinda why I never really bashed them for not giving attention to X or Y content, cause realistically speaking, just how much effort can they put into it when it's just a side thing?

I feel like for a game like CoC2 to actually be great with this concept it needs either
1) A rich cast of writers who have wide fetish range and can fill the gaps to allow every fetish to feel really solid
2) A single writer who is a massive pervert and can literally understand and immerse themselves into 90% of fetishes and nail every scene because they aren't biased - rather, they like everything.

Then again, people are very fond on CoC1 which, I've heard, did exactly that and I, admittedly, didn't play. So I am curious how that is handled there and if that problem was there and it wasn't, how it was solved.

 

[GokutheG]

You know, something has been on my mind and I have to ask y'all about it.

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

The reason behind it is that usually, some of the best works are written because the writer/s are passionate about something. Variety might be the spice of life, but realistically speaking, if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder. By that point - they would just be fulfilling the diversity quota. They would create, write and add character they don't fully care about because they exist just to add one hyper-specific fetish that a lot of people like and not because anyone on the dev team has anything to say or do with that character.

A lot of best porn games are hyper-specific. They target 1 specific fetish and make a game where it's the main idea. They might add a few complimentary fetishes and integrate them well enough, but "The Core Fetish" is still there. Fenoxo's games, meanwhile, sort of feel like... "We are X setting with EVERY fetish"? It's kinda why I never really bashed them for not giving attention to X or Y content, cause realistically speaking, just how much effort can they put into it when it's just a side thing?

I feel like for a game like CoC2 to actually be great with this concept it needs either
1) A rich cast of writers who have wide fetish range and can fill the gaps to allow every fetish to feel really solid
2) A single writer who is a massive pervert and can literally understand and immerse themselves into 90% of fetishes and nail every scene because they aren't biased - rather, they like everything.

Then again, people are very fond on CoC1 which, I've heard, did exactly that and I, admittedly, didn't play. So I am curious how that is handled there and if that problem was there and it wasn't, how it was solved.

I think the biggest problem is that they decided to work on 2 different games at the same time. The workload is obviously too great for the writters and splitting the staff hasn't helped one bit. Fen and Savin should have been focused on pumping out the main story content while the other writers were busy filling the world with characters. Once TiTs was almost complete that's when work on CoC2 should have started.

 

[Basty96]

Doubtful given the one poll they did looped shemales and futas.
I voted into that thinking I'd get one thing. Though in the end it's not like literally any of those polls ended up mattering.

In hindsight I should have guessed that, given Savin's leaning towards it. It's his game, so there are lots of dickgirls.

damn i didn't think you'd be able summarize what's wrong with CoC2 in one pic but here we are

 

[NaturalEnclave]

I think the biggest problem is that they decided to work on 2 different games at the same time. The workload is obviously too great for the writters and splitting the staff hasn't helped one bit. Fen and Savin should have been focused on pumping out the main story content while the other writers were busy filling the world with characters. Once TiTs was almost complete that's when work on CoC2 should have started.

This will probably be a hot take, but I wonder how much better CoC2 would be if they had the main writers for a few very vital story arcs and main story and a bunch of writers doing stuff for the side content designed to just add variety and implement their favorite fetishes into the game. But it feels like instead the writers all just want to add side content into areas they care about without thinking as to what... THE GAME is supposed to be.

 

[MoneyMan181]

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

If the writer is good enough it could work. By identifying what people enjoy about certain fetishes and the coomer logic behind them, they can do a pretty good job of writing something that's still hot that they're not into. Now is that to say they should work on things they don't necessarily enjoy half the time? No, but they could damn well at least TRY to venture outside the one or two things they're each into. Fuck sake I usually shy away from the more extreme stuff and even I'm into more shit than them.

At this point all that's really added to these games are just Sub/Dom shit, Obligatory horse cock, pregnancy, and a light sprinkling of voyeurism. That isn't the worst spread, but the problem is exacerbated because they write these things the same EVERY SINGLE TIME. There is no difference between Wsans 3 dommy futa centaurs. There is no difference between the Savin dickgirls that has alpha beta shit he's done in every single game. There is barely any difference between half the fucking characters that have pregnancy content.

The fetishes they stick to could be so much more bearable if they didn't spam the same exact character archetypes constantly and if they actually fleshed characters out. But they don't, so everything just melds together and feels samey as fuck.

 

[fakklan]

You know, something has been on my mind and I have to ask y'all about it.

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

The reason behind it is that usually, some of the best works are written because the writer/s are passionate about something. Variety might be the spice of life, but realistically speaking, if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder. By that point - they would just be fulfilling the diversity quota. They would create, write and add character they don't fully care about because they exist just to add one hyper-specific fetish that a lot of people like and not because anyone on the dev team has anything to say or do with that character.

A lot of best porn games are hyper-specific. They target 1 specific fetish and make a game where it's the main idea. They might add a few complimentary fetishes and integrate them well enough, but "The Core Fetish" is still there. Fenoxo's games, meanwhile, sort of feel like... "We are X setting with EVERY fetish"? It's kinda why I never really bashed them for not giving attention to X or Y content, cause realistically speaking, just how much effort can they put into it when it's just a side thing?

I feel like for a game like CoC2 to actually be great with this concept it needs either
1) A rich cast of writers who have wide fetish range and can fill the gaps to allow every fetish to feel really solid
2) A single writer who is a massive pervert and can literally understand and immerse themselves into 90% of fetishes and nail every scene because they aren't biased - rather, they like everything.

Then again, people are very fond on CoC1 which, I've heard, did exactly that and I, admittedly, didn't play. So I am curious how that is handled there and if that problem was there and it wasn't, how it was solved.

You can be stuck in one of the two hells it seems:
A hell in which you have TiTS/CoC2 writers, writing the exact same things and never getting anything they don't personally like.
OR
A hell in which you have no prewritten scenes, but instead the game-ified choose-your-action *you do x, partner responds with y* tug-of-war with the AI like some games with single developer have, when the enemies are generic and randomized.

A singular vision but the smut is written without the creator's engagement, or a game that appeals to specific fetishes and inserts, and never strays despite the amount of writers.

 

[Skandranon]

I think the biggest problem is that they decided to work on 2 different games at the same time. The workload is obviously too great for the writters and splitting the staff hasn't helped one bit. Fen and Savin should have been focused on pumping out the main story content while the other writers were busy filling the world with characters. Once TiTs was almost complete that's when work on CoC2 should have started.

Afaik the only staff they share besides Savin is programmers every once in a while. There was William, but he never did anything anyway.

The two things are almost entirely sseparate. Any problems with CoC2s schedule has little to nothing to do with TiTs.

 

[Skandranon]

You know, something has been on my mind and I have to ask y'all about it.

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

The reason behind it is that usually, some of the best works are written because the writer/s are passionate about something. Variety might be the spice of life, but realistically speaking, if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder. By that point - they would just be fulfilling the diversity quota. They would create, write and add character they don't fully care about because they exist just to add one hyper-specific fetish that a lot of people like and not because anyone on the dev team has anything to say or do with that character.

A lot of best porn games are hyper-specific. They target 1 specific fetish and make a game where it's the main idea. They might add a few complimentary fetishes and integrate them well enough, but "The Core Fetish" is still there. Fenoxo's games, meanwhile, sort of feel like... "We are X setting with EVERY fetish"? It's kinda why I never really bashed them for not giving attention to X or Y content, cause realistically speaking, just how much effort can they put into it when it's just a side thing?

I feel like for a game like CoC2 to actually be great with this concept it needs either
1) A rich cast of writers who have wide fetish range and can fill the gaps to allow every fetish to feel really solid
2) A single writer who is a massive pervert and can literally understand and immerse themselves into 90% of fetishes and nail every scene because they aren't biased - rather, they like everything.

Then again, people are very fond on CoC1 which, I've heard, did exactly that and I, admittedly, didn't play. So I am curious how that is handled there and if that problem was there and it wasn't, how it was solved.

We talked about this kind of thing awhile back.

I'm of the opinion that everyone should write exclusively the things they're into, that's how you get the best stuff. Getting a wide enough range of people into different stuff would then give the game more variety, as opposed to having people write stuff they barely care about.


But, as I mentioned, this game recruits exclusively from its own audience. The only people who want to write for these games are people who are already fans of these games - thus, the things they are into are probably going to be very similiar to what we already have.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Do you think porn games themselves would even work if that wasn't the case?

On the right hands, possibly but I wouldn't bet on it. Then again, I think there's a chance someone can be too passionate with their work to the point where they spawn torrents and torrents of material that just boggle everything or don't write it well enough because they're misguided about its quality.

 

[Wrynn13]

We talked about this kind of thing awhile back.

I'm of the opinion that everyone should write exclusively the things they're into, that's how you get the best stuff. Getting a wide enough range of people into different stuff would then give the game more variety, as opposed to having people write stuff they barely care about.


But, as I mentioned, this game recruits exclusively from its own audience. The only people who want to write for these games are people who are already fans of these games - thus, the things they are into are probably going to be very similiar to what we already have.

This is largely why I was so hopeful when Aly was brought on. I for some reason thought oh look they have someone that's going to write new stuff, we'll be certain to get some quality F/F content now. Fuck was I wrong.

 

[zwere]

if CoC2 devs wrote about things they didn't care about - I feel like the quality would have dropped off much harder

Depends on what we're talking about. As long as the thing they don't like isn't something so outlandish that you have to be into it to "get it", they should have zero issue writing for scenes that aren't necessarily their favorite thing in the world. What kind of hack writer sucks at writing things they aren't obsessed with? Passion can motivate you to write more, but it's not like it is some magical amplifier to your literary prowess. If anything, staying within your comfort zone too much will just make you a worse writer. Just look at Tobs. He spent so much time smelling his own farts in his little kitsune fort that it rotted his already fragile brain.

 

[Basty96]

A hell in which you have no prewritten scenes, but instead the game-ified choose-your-action *you do x, partner responds with y* tug-of-war with the AI like some games with single developer have, when the enemies are generic and randomized.

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

 

[Basty96]

On the right hands, possibly but I wouldn't bet on it. Then again, I think there's a chance someone can be too passionate with their work to the point where they spawn torrents and torrents of material that just boggle everything or don't write it well enough because they're misguided about its quality.

so ToBS and his bullshit?

 

[Skandranon]

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

If he isn't I will.

 

[MoneyMan181]

you dunkin on Lilith's Throne there buddy?

I mean yeah the scenes in LT are kinda doodoo asscheeks in terms of actually getting off. I don't think I've ever actually beat my meat to that game.