Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Sacred_Lamb]

But this is what I was talking about. How it's like people are living vicariously through NPCs... because they are. We are shadowboxing/competing with other people through their OCs. Writing for themselves and their enjoyment. Which isn't necessarily an issue. But it does happen even at a detriment to player experience. Again not you specifically, but it's like some folks forget they're making a game for others.

But you know what? It's also on me. Expecting corporate level checks and balances. From a Patreon game that's essentially a bunch of short stories glued together. Then single stapled to the game itself. That's my fault.

Like you got normal games out here where you're side eyeing and asking if something's a self insert.
Then you got CoC2 over here like.

Mhm, I wonder if they think about that and from time to time I think they realize they have to cater to others by actually allowing the PC to have a moment or two but it's all just to placate the player and not in service of the story or experience. Its infuriating to watch things get fumbled this hard when all it needs is a solid leader and editors that aren't 'yes men' to actual go over the submissions and make an additional effort to make thigs either connect with the setting or reuse characters where appropriate.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I've heard here that the after TiTS the plan is for the next game to not focus on transformations at all. Not sure how valid this claim is but without the transformation aspect their games are extremely bland.

I've honestly given it thought and think that's a good idea, hear me out!
>You limit the PC to only a hand full (5 or 6 transformations, 6 or so traits that have an interaction with narrative, then 10 characteristics for personality expression) of dials for the player to tweak but give those dials loads of content for interactivity.
>The PC is a character on their own with their own history but how they express themselves is dependent on the player, think Harry from Disco Elysium or Shepard from Mass Effect. Makes writing for them less of an ordeal for them since they can't get a self insert right like the Courier (Fallout New Vegas).

There's a lot more rolling around in my noggin but thats just where I'd start with a new game.

 

[jfmherokiller]

I've heard here that the after TiTS the plan is for the next game to not focus on transformations at all. Not sure how valid this claim is but without the transformation aspect their games are extremely bland.

ah so that means that the 3rd game is no longer a CoC game.

 

[Nadekai]

ah so that means that the 3rd game is no longer a CoC game.

... Wait ...
... I am going to be... a ... human ... in fenoxo game ... ?
... Where is this world going ...
... I wanna be a unicorn with 6000000...0000....00...000-inch demonic cock while wearing Lamia suit and having negative size boobs ...

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Here's the thing bud, there is no salt mine. Its all an excuse to write cuckshit/doormate fantasy, think about it, who in their right mind is going to write 100s of lines to upset ppl they know nothing about?

I mean... It's TOBS we are talking about...

 

[jfmherokiller]

... Wait ...
... I am going to be... a ... human ... in fenoxo game ... ?
... Where is this world going ...
... I wanna be a unicorn with 6000000...0000....00...000-inch demonic cock while wearing Lamia suit and having negative size boobs ...

You make joke, but for many the CoC brand is a furry brand. They better have nonhuman starting races, or they could lose a surprising portion of the customer base.

 

[Nadekai]

You make joke, but for many the CoC brand is a furry brand. They better have nonhuman starting races, or they could lose a surprising portion of the customer base.

... I was half serious ...
... I play Fenoxo's games due to the wide variety of fetishes ...
... I see it more akin to DnD of porn ...
... It's a bit of a pity for the lack of graphic violence content, but that's fine ...
... My character in TiTS has 8 cocks, one of them is nearly breaking the integer limit ...

 

[PixelLewd]

Here's the thing bud, there is no salt mine. Its all an excuse to write cuckshit/doormate fantasy, think about it, who in their right mind is going to write 100s of lines to upset ppl they know nothing about?

You still think too kindly of people friend, don't lose that.

 

[MSGTNP]

Is there new content with Elthara or the Wayfort since 4.0? Haven't played this in like two years. I'm sure the fucking salt mine that is Tob's fox den has only gotten worse since the last time I touched that hell hole of content.

I find it amusing when people give me thumbs up when I shit talk the salt mine content. I guess people are salty about it as I am. It's only made worse that I get more enjoyment out of a custom Kinu bot than I do with her in her own fucking game. Way to go Tob, you fucked up Kinu XD LOL

 

[jfmherokiller]

I find it amusing when people give me thumbs up when I shit talk the salt mine content. I guess people are salty about it as I am. It's only made worse that I get more enjoyment out of a custom Kinu bot than I do with her in her own fucking game. Way to go Tob, you fucked up Kinu XD LOL

I have a private copy of kinu on janitorAi that i just have the most wholsome stuff with. My latest was helping her make the Savarra version of a bowl of ramen.

... I was half serious ...
... I play Fenoxo's games due to the wide variety of fetishes ...
... I see it more akin to DnD of porn ...
... It's a bit of a pity for the lack of graphic violence content, but that's fine ...
... My character in TiTS has 8 cocks, one of them is nearly breaking the integer limit ...

well if you want true graphic violence the first game has a mod, but it also contains other content.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Harry would definitely be too hard for these guys to write. Shepard would barely squeak by if the choices were cuck or non cuck. Eighty percent of the writers of course would write the cuck options. Because it's 'more fun'.

None those hacks have a fraction of the talent or skill that one of the newbie writers that wrote Disco Elysium had, the bar is below ground lvl, so that's not what I expect from them tbh.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I mean... It's TOBS we are talking about...

You still think too kindly of people friend, don't lose that.

Ain't nobody that retarded, it has to be an excuse to cover that his fantasy is good to him n sucks to everyone else, so he covers it up. Reason why I say this is because his other content does have these implications

 

[icecreamman99]

I will say some of them have talent and are quite good
But they most of the time they have no directions other than their personal desires
They are busy focusing own their own stuff and are often not asking would it be good and/or healthy for a game like this.

 

[DuckwingQuack]

The review que is really long and it isn't unheard of to wait a month or two for a reply. I submitted the first part of my minotaur foreman around februari. Got a reply in may, and he got implemented in november.

There are a lot of community submissions clogging the review que. For example, I got like 150 pages of gay sex stuffed in the box.

Sorry but I just have to ask. Who is reviewing the submission? Just Savin? Tobs? I remember reading somewhere on the Discord that the bottleneck is writing. But now it sounds more like the bottleneck for content is reviewing?

 

[Tsubuhaza]

TL;DR: the NPCs being "super-special snowflakes" is because they are the most fun to write.

I feel that's understandable and all but while that's fair for someone like yourself who's really just a hobby writer...

And yet the core team have decided to ignore player agency because it's too hard, some transformation have been canceled (taur for example) because the paid writers didn't want to do the work of writing variations.
With hindsight I'm sure they would have prefered to make a game with a generic main character, no customization, no choices and just being a voyeur on their NPCs but the project wouldn't have take off like it did.

That's the sort of stuff a project lead should work to solve. Either convince the people you paid to do it or find someone that will.

ah so that means that the 3rd game is no longer a CoC game.

Well, corruption barely plays on this so it'd make sense for them to weaken the champion bit on the next one. And the fourth game would do away with the word "of".

Ain't nobody that retarded, it has to be an excuse to cover that his fantasy is good to him n sucks to everyone else, so he covers it up. Reason why I say this is because his other content does have these implications

It coule be both, though. His shtick with an added bonus.

Sorry but I just have to ask. Who is reviewing the submission? Just Savin? Tobs? I remember reading somewhere on the Discord that the bottleneck is writing. But now it sounds more like the bottleneck for content is reviewing?

Reviewing is a bottleneck by default, to be fair.

 

[Knife-wielding crab]

Sorry but I just have to ask. Who is reviewing the submission? Just Savin? Tobs? I remember reading somewhere on the Discord that the bottleneck is writing. But now it sounds more like the bottleneck for content is reviewing?

Savin and Tobs are the ones that have left comments in my docs. Skow once. Ofc I have no idea if there are more revieving and editing behind the scenes.

 

[MSGTNP]

I have a private copy of kinu on janitorAi that i just have the most wholsome stuff with. My latest was helping her make the Savarra version of a bowl of ramen.


well if you want true graphic violence the first game has a mod, but it also contains other content.

I've had pretty wholesome stuff with Kinu when she's a bot, especially when she apologizes for basically treating you more akin to a honored guest than as a loving father(If your hero is one lol), she respects you enough to ask you about your approval or not with her engagement, her wanting to break free from being a clone of her mother to even wanting to see the world and grow as a person alongside you.


Seriously....fuck Tobs. If I was him, I would be extremely embarrassed if a dam AI could write better content for his character then himself.

 

[sparton297]

How the hell do you get Hana to move into the Wayfort? I've done everything possible with her and the Wayfort but she doesn't move in. God this game is a mess

 

[DuckwingQuack]

How the hell do you get Hana to move into the Wayfort? I've done everything possible with her and the Wayfort but she doesn't move in. God this game is a mess

I believe she moves to the wayfort after you bear her child

 

[jfmherokiller]

has anyone thought of doing a mod where they feed the giant TOBS run on pargraphs into an ai with the "simplifiy this" prompt and just copying back the response?