MoneyMan181

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  • Cait has a new scene if she has high thiccness (or is a half-leothran): either she amazon presses you if you have a dick, or she mating presses you with her strapon.
Nice try Savin, but one femdom scene won't make me like her. Still obligated to check it out though because now we have a grand total of 3 pieces of actual femdom content for dick users! I'm not counting the hag's because what the fuck even was that.
 

Skandranon

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You know I've been absorded in playing Tyranny lately. Obsidan studios of the 2000s are GOATS, and I can say that being evil feels so good to the fact that I've been thinking over how these shmucks write evil...and it just makes me gag. They have no understanding of the concept.

Neither does anyone else, honestly.

Evil in the much-lauded BG3, for instance, as many things as it does right, falls right back into lazy, tired, "kick that baby off a cliff - onto a puppy" brand evil, with little consistency or thought behind it.

Obsidian and (sometimes) Owlcat are the only studios that seem to put any thought into evil narrative recently.
 

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Neither does anyone else, honestly.

Evil in the much-lauded BG3, for instance, as many things as it does right, falls right back into lazy, tired, "kick that baby off a cliff - onto a puppy" brand evil, with little consistency or thought behind it.

Obsidian and (sometimes) Owlcat are the only studios that seem to put any thought into evil narrative recently.
The problem with evil in RPGs is that evil actions are, by definition, anti-social and tend to make things worse. And since RPGs are on a personal scale, it's hard to really create compelling content that one can call 'evil' without diving into real-world nastiness that a lot of people deal with. So "stab a guy because you can" or "be a random asshole" tends to be the norm, because those are power fantasies. Any other kind of evil would dive straight into edge lord territory, or just be unappealing. Nobody wants to roleplay an abusive parent or a serial kiddy diddler. Not that the CoC 2 devs are any good at writing even the basic kind of evil you commonly see, but this is one case where I don't blame them for not doing well.

If you're looking to be evil, I'd say grand strategy games like Stellaris or colony sim games like Rimworld provide the best 'evil' experience, mostly because they don't label it as such. They're just options that have consiquences, both good and bad. And they also provide you with scenarios that might prompt you to dive into evil. Sure, I might not start out looking to turn raiders into leather hats in Rimworld, but if a raider burns down my stockpile or kills one of my colonists I might consider it.
 

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The problem with evil in RPGs is that evil actions are, by definition, anti-social and tend to make things worse. And since RPGs are on a personal scale, it's hard to really create compelling content that one can call 'evil' without diving into real-world nastiness that a lot of people deal with. So "stab a guy because you can" or "be a random asshole" tends to be the norm, because those are power fantasies. Any other kind of evil would dive straight into edge lord territory, or just be unappealing. Nobody wants to roleplay an abusive parent or a serial kiddy diddler. Not that the CoC 2 devs are any good at writing even the basic kind of evil you commonly see, but this is one case where I don't blame them for not doing well.

If you're looking to be evil, I'd say grand strategy games like Stellaris or colony sim games like Rimworld provide the best 'evil' experience, mostly because they don't label it as such. They're just options that have consiquences, both good and bad. And they also provide you with scenarios that might prompt you to dive into evil. Sure, I might not start out looking to turn raiders into leather hats in Rimworld, but if a raider burns down my stockpile or kills one of my colonists I might consider it.
Actually spot on in my opinion. Besides the comical stab person because funny evil, I think one of the only evil characters that can be wrote is the like sociopathic manipulator type. Because you can avoid the "abusive parent" type edginess like you said and still have a character be unequivocally evil. But I feel that can be hard to write in this type of situation, due to that sort of being how the player has to think? Like I could say my champion said or acted a certain way just to cause every character in the game to do what I want them to do without actively believing that I guess.

Also yeah I've cracked multiple planets in Stellaris, consigning tens if not hundreds of billions of innocent lives to death, simply because holding their planets was an inconvenience.
 

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We are finally getting out of the boat, champion, any update now!
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Nobody wants to roleplay an abusive parent or a serial kiddy diddler
Small youtubers would make you think there's a surge of abusive parenthood and diddler simulators when the market for such things has always been niche, and only from time to time they get filtered to more casual players

An evil option in this game feels senseless because there's almost no excess the champion could reach as a demon that they couldn't reach being a regular nobody, beyond some cosmetics elements, there's no good exchange for the PC's soul
 

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The problem with evil in RPGs is that evil actions are, by definition, anti-social and tend to make things worse. And since RPGs are on a personal scale, it's hard to really create compelling content that one can call 'evil' without diving into real-world nastiness that a lot of people deal with. So "stab a guy because you can" or "be a random asshole" tends to be the norm, because those are power fantasies. Any other kind of evil would dive straight into edge lord territory, or just be unappealing. Nobody wants to roleplay an abusive parent or a serial kiddy diddler. Not that the CoC 2 devs are any good at writing even the basic kind of evil you commonly see, but this is one case where I don't blame them for not doing well.

There's *lots* of appealing ways to be evil, or portray an evil character. RPGs have done it before, and still do it now and then. it just takes a lot of work for little gain, because most people don't play evil characters, so you're doing the same amount of work as the good path for way less reward.

You don't even have to take exclusively evil actions for an evil character - you can simply reason why an evil character would do the same actions as a good character and add flavor. Its not like an evil character is doing evil all the time. But most games don't even take that step, and evil characters are just insane puppykickers.





As an aside, this exact reason is one of the ones I've seen Savin throw out - most people don't do the corruption options, so prioritizing them is low-impact.
 
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As an aside, this exact reason is one of the ones I've seen Savin throw out - most people don't do the corruption options, so prioritizing them is low-impact.
That, in this case, is purely their own fault. It's a case of them starting with a low number of poor quality corruption options, so nobody plays them, so they don't get developed. Not to mention the poorly defined nature of corruption and every character already being hypersexual. It just leads to 'corrupted' characters becoming just a list of goth mommies, which is both unimaginative and limits what they can do with regular characters.

So how would ya'll fix it? It would require almost a complete rework of the setting and all it's characters, since it's hard to 'corrupt' a setting where everyone drops their pants almost immediately. Personally, I'd make it so uncorrupted characters are less immediately eager for sex (though still eager, it is still a porn game after all), and more about having intimate and personal relationships. Getting to know the character, doing non-sexual things with them, that sort of thing. While corruption is all about turning them into some variety of sex-crazed maniac. There could be choices to mold them into the kind of slut you want (exclusively yours, the town bicycle, etc.)
 

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  • Cait has a new scene if she has high thiccness (or is a half-leothran): either she amazon presses you if you have a dick, or she mating presses you with her strapon.
Nice try Savin, but one femdom scene won't make me like her. Still obligated to check it out though because now we have a grand total of 3 pieces of actual femdom content for dick users! I'm not counting the hag's because what the fuck even was that.
What hag?
 
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