Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Sacred_Lamb YouShallNotLol

Integration of mutation and traits into the gameplay and scenes is a important feature to have that makes a game more immersie and engaging. (imagine a Baldurs Gate where the druid cove wouldnt react to you being a Drow... the race which leads the goblins siege on them.) However, this is a lot of work so unfortunately reducing the scope (ie, granularity and amount of customizations) is unfortunately neccessary. Saying this as someone who ocassionally devs myself. I can always add more mutations and refit scenes later, but trying to bring up a million variations for everything at once is a fools errant- id be working for years on such a update and have nothing to show for it while rightfully my players would get irrate.

Ain't just about immersion. The idea of these games were built on transformations and molding your created character. And I get what you're getting at. But they've created more work with this game then with the 1st. Not only do they spit out characters, but the word count has bloated. Like if they tightened up their writing and we cut out all the unneeded exposition they love to engage in. And that excess word count could be repurposed. We would be able to include more transformations. And that's without even writing more. We just molding what's there.

All them unnecessary added words. Could've been spent on transformations. A key thing that got people's interest to begin with. Which they seem to have forgotten.... or maybe I'm just the one stuck in the past as they move on .

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

I actually prefer Savin over you, as a dev. He at least has enough smarts to wait until this one is finished, and then have his brand new game with transformation system completely gutted out of it.
While you want to gut this game right here, right now. Removing anything good that was there.

Now you're just being stupid and ignoring best practice, you could never be a leader because you don't listen or just don't want to. I never said transformations were being taken out but cutting the bloat for both Dev and Writer, so there can be more instances of roleplay and interactivity.

Ah yes, people play fantasy races in their fantasy rpgs because it's all a fetish. And Tolkien's LOTR is an exploration of the fetish about hobbits' big, hairy feet.
Your "idea" is bullshit.

Really? Now I know your trolling. Fuck you too

 

[Szpigel]

Some random thoughts playing through the game a bit more:

- The inconsistent writing styles continue to stand out: there's times where MC's dialogue is written out like everyone else's and there's times where it's just part of the overall scene narration ("Why are you like this?" vs You ponder out loud why she is like this); switching between British vs American English (I think one of Garret's scenes had 'mum' in one paragraph and then 'mom' in the next); colloquialisms that stand out in what is otherwise supposed to be a fantasy setting and clash with other writers that try to write more neutrally or formally; kind of inconsistent MC voice, with him being a blank slate protagonist in one scene, extremely affectionate and emotive in the next, and then dominant and confident in an another;

- A lot of NPCs romances progress way too quickly (first meeting -> Talk (Herself/Himself) (-> Flirt) -> Sex); like I just met this dryad character and you basically learn everything about her in one batch of dialogue and then immediately progress to taking her virginity. Not that CoC1 was much better about this, a lot of the encounters are basically one-and-done, pump-and-dump, but then you had characters that you had to meet several times before unlocking sex scenes/starting their storylines/unlocking them as followers + some of the desert city NPCs had affection meters iirc. While not all NPCs are like this, it's kind of ridiculous how fast some of these progress; I've just met this gargoyle lady and in a few moments I'm already taking her butt virginity, lol.

I don't know yet if CoC2 has any NPCs with hidden affection points later on, but if not, I don't see why this couldn't be implemented, especially for the party members? I think it would improve the flow and actually create a sense of progression with their relationships with the MC. The dullahan girl, for example, is initially quite shy about sex, so I thought there would be a bit more build up with her compared to Cait who already starts out uninhibited, but then you go to sleep once and instantly unlock all (?) sex scenes with her?

- The combat's kind of boring, lol, every fight basically has the same strategy, I don't even know why there's so many damage types. I also don't understand why there's such a harsh limit for equippable skills (even just being able to equip 4 rechargeable skills would allow for more strategic variety) and also the number of party members - you can clearly have up to 5 but the extra slots end up being reserved for the guest members and the conjurable spirits, when there are very obvious solutions to this: spirits become unsummonable if you're above a certain number of members or you have to remove some members and send them back to the inn when a guest member joins.

Also, I looked up if there's anyway of increasing the party limit online and found an old forum post about it from like 2018, and in response to someone asking if a scrollbar could just be added there was a hard "no, out of the question" from one of the devs. Like OK, can you explain more please?

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Alright, done the important stuff, here we go.

Damn it man don't tease the Sauce, give it out. What are some games u think are actually good?

I'll tell ya when they're done with the game.

Given the level of awful you've described in the rest of your post, that's probably why I like Atugia so much. She so inoffensive compared to how every other character goes out of their way to offend you -- barring the guaranteed character derailment every character gets. The entire thing is like it's written by people who have no social awareness whatsoever.

Atugia does need something to do though. Something good, preferentially.

Unless it's Savin reading this. Then she needs to do things he doesn't like.

Even Totally Not Kas would be a better option than half of what we got, especially if she maintained the disguise right up until the end and could be trolled by the player revealing they knew all along.

That does lead to a fun little exercise.

Let's say TNK shows up early on. She's left her plots to her staff and decides to just spend the whole journey along with you but throughout the game, it becomes pretty clear that it's her.

Like she doesn't actively hurt the demons, shooes them off if she gets the chance to kill them, fails to not grit her teeth when fighting her own plots.

And then, when the reveal happens, she's clearly frustrated on what happened and the PC reveals they were aware it was her and just took measures to both prevent her from getting anything on the PC, corrupt the party and just make her undo her own shit out of spite.

Would be fun.

CoC 1 was great for the little romance stuff. The sickly lizard guy isnt just some boring slut like every CoC2 character, you actually have to interact and learn about them beyond a description of them.

Ah, shit, Arian.

He was pretty cool though I feel they could've given him more to do.

Unfortunately, Sadakata Hotaru is in my top 3 characters in the game while Kiyoko pisses me off to no end. I'll take that as a solid 50-50 chance he doesn't shit the bed here.

Numbers put it at 141 2/3 chance of it being shit, using the Steiner theorem.

I can't quite understand people's adversion to dicks.

Personal preference. It's the differences that make us all unique and special.

The only reason you can't tattoo, brand, or de-dick SubRona is because Savin hasn't written it, it would all be in character for her at this point.

And probably never will, otherwise it'd be a thing already.

Lmao you're calling someone gay while asking for gay shit

Clearly not gay enough.

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I completely forgot about that character because they were so boring and shit lmfao. Savin really is a hack incapable of writing outside of his pet fetish, isnt he?

I wish Fenoxo was the lead like in CoC1.... not that they dont have their own problems.

Compared to how vanilla CoC was, I think it would've been a more tolerable outcome. Not saying it would've been perfect but still, probably less shit.

Game wouldn't have had an Urta proliferation so to speak.

Which was one of that guy's complaints too. I'll be honest and say that I just glossed over each point but no matter what you say they'll just hit you with the "dude is mad nobody is writing for his fetishes"
You can't win with them, it's crazy that they call this place an echo bubble when a lot of the time it's people going at each other's throats or very clearly stating that they actually enjoy the content others are complaining about.
It's intimidating voicing anything that doesn't fit into the Discord server's mold, because I can imagine just how quickly they'll deal with "some troll"
It's like living in some kind of circlejerk where even the people with obvious complaints are either too scared to word them clearly or just get ignored either way, shut down by the rest of the drones who always feel an overwhelming need to defend the devs from even the smallest criticisms.

Truth be told, I find that aspect of theirs rather pathetic. Much as we have our disagreements here, we do at least seem to reach either a common ground or just agree to disagree.

Except if it's one of their white knights, then they get as much as they give.

Would you like some Adrenochrome blood wine my leige? Freshly harvested from orphans from the last raid.

The echo chamber is a real thing, I just went on the forum to see what you were talking about. They parrot the same stuff, and revere any crumbe of "progress."

The forum doesn't seem to be as bad as what you all report from their server. Then again, the circlejerk had to start somewhere.

Are y'all talking about that inhuman creature wich complained that most gender related terms like Hermaphrodite, Shemale and Trap are all slurs, and this game is very bigoted rightwing propaganda?

Ah, yes, the revolution of the futaletariat as theorized by Karl Marxive Horsedong. They'll seize the means of semen production and blow themselves up in a white wave, establishing through societal equality.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Sacred_Lamb YouShallNotLol

Integration of mutation and traits into the gameplay and scenes is a important feature to have that makes a game more immersie and engaging. (imagine a Baldurs Gate where the druid cove wouldnt react to you being a Drow... the race which leads the goblins siege on them.) However, this is a lot of work so unfortunately reducing the scope (ie, granularity and amount of customizations) is unfortunately neccessary. Saying this as someone who ocassionally devs myself. I can always add more mutations and refit scenes later, but trying to bring up a million variations for everything at once is a fools errant- id be working for years on such a update and have nothing to show for it while rightfully my players would get irrate.

Thank you, if you can't look at the big picture then any project you start is doomed to fail.

 

[blergh123]

Reading this thread every few months is more entertaining than the actual game ever was.

 

[Jbuster]

Everything is gay and involves dick to some degree. There can be no guarantee that those women have never seen a dick in their life or that one wasn't involve in creating them through the sex. Additionally penis may have been involved in production. Therefore lesbian porn, even when viewed by a heterosexual man, has some level of gay that must be assumed.

You either go full greek orthodox monk and reject woman and sexuality as a whole, thus becoming an ultra man for whom this is not an issue at all, or assume gayness is around you and learn to live with that, like me, who despite being a powerful monster of a man can't renounce to cute boys

Anyway it ain't like that matters, all I know is that by complaining here instead of Savin's discord/forum I'm way less gay than them, therefore not gay at all

Cait: Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong.

*Nodding to herself and chuckling softly*, "kids these days won't even watch their friends running a train on mom, right champ?", as the cruel realization of who you were helping all along dawns on you and for the first time, you feel sad as she sucks your dick and makes you call her a good girl

Ain't just about immersion. The idea of these games were built on transformations and molding your created character. And I get what you're getting at. But they've created more work with this game then with the 1st. Not only do they spit out characters, but the word count has bloated. Like if they tightened up their writing and we cut out all the unneeded exposition they love to engage in. And that excess word count could be repurposed. We would be able to include more transformations. And that's without even writing more. We just molding what's there.

All them unnecessary added words. Could've been spent on transformations. A key thing that got people's interest to begin with. Which they seem to have forgotten.... or maybe I'm just the one stuck in the past as they move on .

No you're right, I want to add silly, stupid details because like half the fun relies on my stupid OC which I love, is just that everything else is so bloated that it takes part of that fun

Those guys really need to learn to summarize their ideas and do things a little bit more tame, I mean, not every sex options needs to be a small essay that goes on forever, sometimes the small stuff works great, like a good dinner, you need something to entice your apetite for the main course. There's no chase, your companions are sluts and they remain as sluts and your champion is a slut, forever

Futadoms are the first amongst equals.

I would follow Benita Mussodicky, SÍ

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Ain't just about immersion. The idea of these games were built on transformations and molding your created character. And I get what you're getting at. But they've created more work with this game then with the 1st. Not only do they spit out characters, but the word count has bloated. Like if they tightened up their writing and we cut out all the unneeded exposition they love to engage in. And that excess word count could be repurposed. We would be able to include more transformations. And that's without even writing more. We just molding what's there.

All them unnecessary added words. Could've been spent on transformations. A key thing that got people's interest to begin with. Which they seem to have forgotten.... or maybe I'm just the one stuck in the past as they move on .

Transformations aren't the issue, Coc2 has plenty, in fact too many. It's the fact that they barely get acknowledgement or change/unlock scenes for the player thats the problem. Coc1 had some impact with new combat abilities or scenes that were unique to a small number of transformations but at least they were there.
All of what you were saying is on that there are ways too much unnecessary tangents are total right. It reminds me of when I just got into reading YA Choice of games (I don't read them anymore because most are excessively gay and lame) and they would boast about their word count but at the end of the day it was mostly word salad with no vinaigrette and the choices the same vegetable with different color.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

Futadoms are the first amongst equals.

Nope. They're actively against equality as they subscribe to the belief of a dominative chain of a specific nature.

Should we achieve true equality, it'll be through their inexistence. They're directly opposed to the nature of the concept as Savin is to good game development.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Anyway it ain't like that matters, all I know is that by complaining here instead of Savin's discord/forum I'm way less gay than them, therefore not gay at all

I don't think that's how tht works

No you're right, I want to add silly, stupid details because like half the fun relies on my stupid OC which I love, is just that everything else is so bloated that it takes part of that fun

Those guys really need to learn to summarize their ideas and do things a little bit more tame, I mean, not every sex options needs to be a small essay that goes on forever, sometimes the small stuff works great, like a good dinner, you need something to entice your apetite for the main course. There's no chase, your companions are sluts and they remain as sluts and your champion is a slut, forever

Yeah there are no protags at rest moments, gotta get to one cock/clam/donut to the other.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Nope. They're actively against equality as they subscribe to the belief of a dominative chain of a specific nature.

Should we achieve true equality, it'll be through their inexistence. They're directly opposed to the nature of the concept as Savin is to good game development.

So you're saying we should get rid of the Futadoms?

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

Transformations aren't the issue, Coc2 has plenty, in fact too many. It's the fact that they barely get acknowledgement or change/unlock scenes for the player thats the problem. Coc1 had some impact with new combat abilities or scenes that were unique to a small number of transformations but at least they were there.
All of what you were saying is on that there are ways too much unnecessary tangents are total right. It reminds me of when I just got into reading YA Choice of games (I don't read them anymore because most are excessively gay and lame) and they would boast about their word count but at the end of the day it was mostly word salad with no vinaigrette and the choices the same vegetable with different color.

Yea I know, that's what I was talking about when I was saying include more transformations. Adding more transformations to the scenes. Since we would be repurposing all the unnecessary fluff. But it seems they want to move on since I'm guessing they view it's too much work. Despite continually writing books for basic scenes.

But I also partly think I'm just living in the past when that stuff was important. Folks paying them don't seem to be all that bothered. And they seem to be more then happy just getting a new person to fuck. Instead of encounters actually being a lot more unique, based on their choices of character. That's what originally drew me in and I'm sure a lot of folks here. But we seem to be old and outdated. Cause if they gonna get paid despite the new direction. Ain't much to be done about it.

 

[Jbuster]

So you're saying we should get rid of the Futadoms?

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Are we talking about some kind of final solution?, because if we fail they might become stronger, get their own country, achieve global reach and then, at some point, expand dong their frontiers, creating some kind of futadom world in which, men are forced into a binding relationships with futas, cucked from their destiny as second class citizens to a degree at which, men cease to exist as a concept as they became just males in a new, sick reality

You just did with one post that Savin could't in an entire game, make me like Cait. But it's the sort of like you get for something you find cute and pitiful. I'm going to give her a headpat next time I boot up my game.

She sometimes suffer from nightmares and asks to sleep together, is one of the few times she's not flirting or doing anything sexual or weird, instead, she clings to the champion as the scared, regular girl she's supposed to be, like the person the temple stole and they'll never get to meet. This makes her far more tolerable, this let the champion forgive her clinginess and her antics. That's why the champion doesn't kick her out when she asks to stay for the night, because for a short time, Cait feels almost real

 

[GS21]

So you're saying we should get rid of the Futadoms?

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Systematically.

She sometimes suffer from nightmares and asks to sleep together, is one of the few times she's not flirting or doing anything sexual or weird, instead, she clings to the champion as the scared, regular girl she's supposed to be, like the person the temple stole and they'll never get to meet. This makes her far more tolerable, this let the champion forgive her clinginess and her antics. That's why the champion doesn't kick her out when she asks to stay for the night, because for a short time, Cait feels almost real

W-what are you doing? Stop it, whatever it is!

 

[Jbuster]

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Systematically.

W-what are you doing? Stop it, whatever it is!

When good men stand together, even the lesbians futa are powerless

And no, I'm never stopping (I'm actually going out, need to buy stuff lol)

 

[Tsubuhaza]

So you're saying we should get rid of the Futadoms?

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Oh, hardly. They will eliminate themselves, really just need to find a proper justification for them to go at each other.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

But I also partly think I'm just living in the past when that stuff was important. Folks paying them don't seem to be all that bothered. And they seem to be more then happy just getting a new person to fuck. Instead of encounters actually being a lot more unique, based on their choices of character. That's what originally drew me in and I'm sure a lot of folks here. But we seem to be old and outdated. Cause if they gonna get paid despite the new direction. Ain't much to be done about it

That's the thing mate, they're cumsumers and fans bro. You'll can hand them shit on a platter, and they'll lover as long as the train keeps going and fetishes keep getting catered to.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Are we talking about some kind of final solution?, because if we fail they might become stronger, get their own country, achieve global reach and then, at some point, expand dong their frontiers, creating some kind of futadom world in which, men are forced into a binding relationships with futas, cucked from their destiny as second class citizens to a degree at which, men cease to exist as a concept as they became just males in a new, sick reality

Post nut clarity hits different when jacking off is state sanctioned. But would men be second class tho? We are the labor force of the species and we hold a monopoly of violence. If we were to let's say run propaganda to encourage men to dominate the Futas, then we'll pedestalise them above wömen, thus stripping them of power.
IT WILL BE GLORIOUS KAMERAD!

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

W-what are you doing? Stop it, whatever it is!

He's giving her....Development. Disgusting

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Oh, hardly. They will eliminate themselves, really just need to find a proper justification for them to go at each other.

Get them in competition over the men, its been noted that Futas in the wild will respond to aggression if they feel that they are being ignored on a sexual level. FIRE UP THE PROPAGANDA MACHINES!!!