Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.17] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[hater45]

Real competition is unlikely.

The biggest advantage of these games, and simultaneously the cause of most of its problems, is the community. Everyone writing for the game came from the community at some point. It's the resource that all of these game draw on to put out the content that they do.

Halfway decent writers don't grow on trees, let alone whole teams of them. And the money to pay several writers sits at a level most games won't reach until years in.

CoC2 had a community and fanbase that ramped up from the first CoC, to Tits, kinda with FoE, to CoC2, and it took well over a decade. It's in a unique position.

Imo, you couldn't create anything directly competing with it without cash up front and at least a few talented writers with a long term comittment.

A few writers from TiTs tried to brach off and do their own thing with Cloud 10 - it flopped.

There are a few other text based type games in the same vein, but none of them are even close in popularity. Lilith Throne is never going to be an actual competitor to CoC2.



Without knowing how it actually went down, this isn't really something I can agree with.

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

 

[Skandranon]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically.

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

 

[Wrynn13]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

 

[Dreamer44]

What would definitely get the devs attention is if someone, or many someones, let Patreon know they are supporting a game that includes child grooming and someone from Patreon took a real look at the game and whent whoa it does contain child grooming we can't have that and they got kicked from Patreon. Which would be hilarious. I can just see Savin throwing Tobs under the bus claiming the temple was all his idea and scrubbing his content to beg his way back onto Patreon.

Then you don't know Savin; he'd never do that

Go and read the text, the game, the scenes you are complaining about.

 

[Dreamer44]

But Cait, herself a child who was raised in the sex cult and eventually joined it after being given the ultimatum, says it's not grooming, so it's not

(Obligatory, imagine if it was played as the gods being overall good for the world [due to their sheer intransigence and no more] but still allowing bad shit to happen in their name because arrogant assholes, while Kaz being more personable and approachable [which is she is] yet still worse for the world at large because of her very demonic nature/plans)

Not a sex cult. A porn religion from a porn setting.

 

[Dreamer44]

I think 2 things hurt me the most in Coc2. The lack of player agency (all of the we are Cait's taxi memes here) and the lack of overall consistency in Mc characterization. How much respect do we even get from people around us when we did quests, real question tho?

Each writer has their own take on our Mc and his character ping-pongs from event to event being different each time.

Then we have some railroading with our beloved instant-loss scenes by means of Author-inserts *cough* Leofric *cough* or "choices" where the outcome is the same *cough* Gweyr *cough* so while we still have the illusion of choice it doesnt matter anyway, as the choice is made by the writer not us.

Leofric is not an author self insert. He's a future boss whose quest hasn't been implemented yet because his writer is busy.

 

[Dreamer44]

How do the Kitsune react to you being a kitsune from Keros? They don't really treat you that much different than before. Also, don't give others story breaking powers because you can just ask why they haven't solved any conflicts that are happening right now. We can use my WOTR example, when you choose a path you get unique powers that is on the realm of godly but they are only for story purposes or cool buffs, like Aeon being the giga chad and making people cease to exist, or Tricksters being able to manipulate their dice rolls to crit like fucking monsters.

You only get a transformation for giving up your soul, doesn't seem that worth it now does it? Lumia makes you a Valkyrie if I am not mistaken. These are some shit offers compared to any other games where you get something like Ebony blade, or Dawnbreaker. I feel that they seen the trick before is such a bullshit excuse because they would automatically know if you didn't have a soul because it is physically ripped from your body, unlike it going somewhere post death. For people who wants to do worldbuilding, it sure is easy to find major flaws in logic thinking about it more than a few seconds.

Since you don't read, you miss the how kitsune react to you before and after becoming one. That's on you.

You get the TF and powers related to it, along with changes on certain NPCs dialogues and reactions.

And certain plotlines are affected.

 

[Evizzy89]

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

 

[Dreamer44]

i haven't really cared keep up much with the constant drama that is going on between the writing team or whatever, but can someone give me a breakdown on why this Berwyn "Update" came to be?
Bullshit gimmick dungeon and terrible quest ending choice aside they actually kind of give me what I wanted in the end and that's an actual relationship dynamic with Berry, instead of him just hating having sex with a male player character. I however don't know why the reason for removing him from the party and tying him into the camp system a system that I never use because i play a white mage, have Cait in my party 24/7 and always have a way stone activated in every area. Why not just have his quest item just you teleport you to him at any time like Kiyoko's amulet.
I guess keeping him to one place would make writing scenes for him easier considering the body changes and all, but fuckin Berry was the one male companion i had and kept taking on my team now I only got Brint who's practically been replaced by Brienne and godamn Quintillus, I DONT FUCKIN LIKE QUIN, who even uses Quin? If there was any fuckin character that could use a update that removes them from the party it'd be Quintillus.

Long story short: Berwyn's writer left due to mental health issues, and later had a toxic falling out with the rest of the staff.

Rather than burden one of the permanent writers with a second companion, Berwyn was downgraded from a companion to a NPC.

Brint and Brienne are both kept updated by their author.

Quintillus is getting expanded soon; his author managed to get enough free time to write more of him and other projects.

And a companion won't be reminded ved because you don't like him. Ignore him, sent him away to die or just leave him in the bar and don't recruit him.

 

[Dreamer44]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?
other projects can be started during its 'development' and when they have another successful project they can open up another patreon and milk that too

Oh, the game IS planned to end. The staff will simply move on to a new project if all goes well.

 

[Dreamer44]

Yet without the name CoC this game wouldn't have survived because Savin has tried to make a game on his own and it failed drastically. This game barely has any of the good things from CoC and that is shocking because they have a writer from it in it's earlier days. Of course that said writer (rumored) hates many of the things from the original but dug his own grave having to depend on the name to make bank.

CoC1 was a good game, but it also was a mess. Its many problems led to irs rushed conclusion.

CoC2 is trying to be better than it.

And I know you will all comment about how it fails to do so and such, but let me tell you this.

If you don't like the game or how things go, what are you doing here?

 

[Skandranon]

there is absolutely 100% chance at all that this game will ever get finished, at all zero zip zilch
not saying it in a negative way, but projects such as CoC2 are never made with plans to finish if youre making 40k a month doing very little why would you finish the game?

To start a new game, obviously.

The whole game was pretty well outlined at the beginning of the project, there's only one more act iirc after KM is over.

CoC ended, TiTs is about to end, this will end too.

 

[Kroenen12]

good news

 

[Kallisto]

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

 

[hater45]

Objectively this is easily the most successful of all three games. It's more popular than CoC (and probably TiTs at this point) ever was, making more money, and getting more attention, and has been steadily increasing in popularity every year its existed. Not to mention actually having a chance of finishing, unlike CoC which was abandoned, or Tits which is being rushed to some kind of finish.

Saying it "failed drastically" is kind of a strong statement that I don't think can really be backed up unless you mean subjectively.

Reason CoC ended up getting abandoned was because Fen got bored and wanted to move on until people bugged him to finish it and we got that awful final dungeon that was half baked. Again, that is because the game is named as a sequel to an already established product. More successful than Tits? That is a bunch of bs because tits had a kick starter and a patron that brought in so much money that it is crazy. TiTs also had a restart and still managed to pump out more content than CoC 2 and that is pretty sad.

More popular than CoC? I guess? CoC 2 is a newer game but at CoC's peak I highly doubt it because it was the first of it's kind. Also I wasn't talking about Savin's CoC 2 project, but Slablands or that Savin RPG I think it was called that was used as a base for this game.

 

[Skandranon]

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I need to sit down and update my upcoming CoC2 scenes doc, I keep forgetting things I already knew about.

Also, I just realized I think I've only ever set foot in the gym like...once?

 

[Wrynn13]

Then you don't know Savin; he'd never do that

Go and read the text, the game, the scenes you are complaining about.

Savin has absolutely turned on other devs in the past, if you think he won't do it again then you don't know Savin. Or you are Savin and you are lying to yourself... Also I have read the scenes covering the temple and the religion, have you? You either don't know what grooming is or are in denial.

 

[Daken9]

As a side note, can I just say that despite the game presenting itself as sex positive, it's weirdly judgemental. This ties into the whole "just about every character is someone's OC Sex Dream," you get weirdly pressured into having sexual encounters with everyone and everything. Every situation is someone's magical realm. Which usually isn't a problem in most games because they're clear about what the game is about. But with CoC 2, it presents itself as a choice-based RPG. A sexy choose your own adventure novel. Except the narration keeps pushing you towards fucking everything and everyone, rather than presenting a buffet and allowing you to pick and choose.

If you think this game's bad in that regard, don't try out TiTs If you want a dick and you're not into futa/gay stuff, can basically only play futa yourself because the PC is looking to get dicked down at all times. It's actually half the reason i'm into this game at all, that it makes a decent enough job at not making too many assumptions about the PC's sexual preferences prior to accessing scenes (which allows me to play a male character without needing to overlook the 24/7 lust for dick).

Also why i put Cait, Quint, Agni and all them other mary sues at around the same level. Not only i'm told what to feel for them like usual, but i'm also constantly reminded my character's inherently attracted to them. Double the shit.

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

He's used to discord

 

[Skandranon]

Reason CoC ended up getting abandoned was because Fen got bored and wanted to move on until people bugged him to finish it and we got that awful final dungeon that was half baked. Again, that is because the game is named as a sequel to an already established product.

Coc was abandoned in large part because it was a mess. Fen was making it all up as he went. The code was apparently hard to work with, there was no clear plan or outline, there was content that couldn't be touched because it's authors ghosted and Fen didn't want to ruffle feathers, and a long lost of other things.

TiTs was Fens shot at to take all the things he learned and apply them from the beginning. And despite not being called CoC, TiTs got huge.

More successful than Tits? That is a bunch of bs because tits had a kick starter and a patron that brought in so much money that it is crazy.

It wasn't a Kickstarter, it was a porn crowdfunding site called Offbeatr. I know, because I was in on it.

It made 200k. Quite a bit...but that's, like, a few months Patreon income. For a game that's run a Patreon for like 9 years now, not much.

Steam visibility alone ensures that CoC2 is way bigger than wither other game. 16k people bought in in the first month, and that was almost 2 years ago now. CoC2 is way, way more popular than either game ever was.

More popular than CoC? I guess? CoC 2 is a newer game but at CoC's peak I highly doubt it because it was the first of it's kind.

Being the first if it's kind is exactly why it was the least popular. It had to build its fanbase from the ground up. TiTs coopted the fanbase from CoC and built on that, CoC2 took those and built on them. Every one of these games is bigger than the one before it for that reason.

 

[Dreamer44]

Dreamer44 You can respond to multiple posts at the same time. This way the thread isn't spammed with 8 responses in a row from the same person.

https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-use-our-multi-quote-system.9660/

Huh. Thanks.