Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.18] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[gembunny]

Honestly, that sounds so dynamic. Why did they decide to change that like that? Makes so much more sense. She gets kidnapped, you get a timer which gives it urgency, and then you have to fight the guys and interrogate them probably a certain amount of times or capture one so you get the information needed to find the knot cave. That makes f****** sense to me.
Wtf happened?!
Honestly, I like the goth stuff until she started to talk more, and then I was just like this is so melodramatic. But then know that you've said that the plan was for her to get rapped, it would explain more why she's so emo, but none of that actually happened. So it just comes across as extra for no reason.

Savin making people cut off their own character's corruption paths bc they personally make "him" uncomfortable due to them having rape he or his pet Tobs didn't write as a reason for making them the way they are, or in the case of Liulfr thinks the actual process of mind breaking a character (something you can do in the first game reminder) is too fucked up to have just bc it's shown as a process instead of as a "do this one thing and done you're corrupt now" thing like the rest of them is so fucking telling.

No WONDER Drifa is like that in her goth form from what I'm hearing. Sounds like the bitch is fucking traumatized, but Jstar was forced to cut the actual trauma she got to make her that way? How does that make any sense?

Savin everyone. The man who hocks the name of a game where you can corrupt, mind break, and mentally fuck up other characters through various means hates all three of those and anything done by contributors who WANT to actually represent that part of the game world. :U
Absurd and absolute pussy of a man. You don't have to like rape, mind break, and mind fuckery. I certainly don't. But then don't make a sequel to a game where a major mechanic IS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S KNOWN FOR.

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

I never really understood people hating on Leofric for sneaking you.

It's not so much that he sneak attacks you, but how it's handled. The stat checks weren't added until way after the initial scene's implementation, the writing is juvenile, and it doesn't serve to establish Leofric as a combat pragmatist but instead to wank his power. It was peak Bubblelord.

I still can't get over the fact that B wanted the player to get upended by a primitive snare trap just to show off the wolfgirl in the harpy section, if he didn't get push back on that it would be still there. (At that point you're a power house, simple shit like that is not going to stop the champ, christ)

How many times has B wanted to do something that people would obviously not like and gotten told it was a bad idea now? At least he listened that time.

Honestly, that sounds so dynamic. Why did they decide to change that like that? Makes so much more sense. She gets kidnapped, you get a timer which gives it urgency, and then you have to fight the guys and interrogate them probably a certain amount of times or capture one so you get the information needed to find the knot cave. That makes f****** sense to me.
Wtf happened?!

At a guess, given the random encounter nature and Savin not wanting timed quests outside of advancing the main quest failing stuff, a timer may have been not received well since it'd be the only one and rely on randomly encountering the lupines or save scumming since the time up consequence would be RNG based. It could've been act locked but at that point the stakes are diminished so may as well save time on coding and just not have it. Stakes would be nice and immersive but this is one of those times I get why things are the way they are.

The merc quest involves you and the mercs going after Leofric to stop his rampage. Possibly tie it to Tollus or demons if you want

Tollus showing up with his edgy cult vibe making Leofric think he's a Tiran priest and having Leofric completely misunderstand the situation and assume Tollus just revealed that Leofric is Tira's chosen and therefore immortal and run off to be a menace would be funny ngl.

It's almost 2026 and Savco's still doing passive-aggressive shit with writers that dropped, huh.

His reasoning is probably bad but removing the literal chosen one angle from Leofric adds actual potential to his character. Isn't she implied to maybe be Tira in disguise also? If so then Tira is out of the bottom tier of the gods in the game.

"Let them eat futa!" - Savin, possibly.

I love how Marie Alter uses the guillotine blade that killed her as a noble phantasm.

 

[ChubbyFatBoy]

I mean, since we're gonna talk about the mercenaries, I'll dash my two cents in. I never really understood people hating on Leofric for sneaking you. This is combat, any advantage counts, and a few stat checks save your character from humiliation is mint, which is more than what some other writer's want to do for players.

Considering how much shit we talk in general. Especially when it comes to writers and their OCs doing weird things. And even on the smaller mundane stuff. This is definitely an unexpected take. While I never got caught off guard and had to go back to see it for myself later. Since I avoided that side of the map for the longest time.... and I don't even remember why I did .

But it's a situation where out of the blue you can get sucker punched and knocked out. Nothing like that ever occurs up to that point. And maybe I missed seeing it. But as far as I know, nothing like that happens again. So it's a random one off. And iirc, after you wake up. Jen tells you he called you lame.... like what? The whole thing is goofy and comes off extra self-inserty. Then to top it all off. The character is pretty much dead content, so you'll never actually get your get back.

So it's all just weird.

 

[Jbuster]

Considering how much shit we talk in general. Especially when it comes to writers and their OCs doing weird things. And even on the smaller mundane stuff. This is definitely an unexpected take. While I never got caught off guard and had to go back to see it for myself later. Since I avoided that side of the map for the longest time.... and I don't even remember why I did .

But it's a situation where out of the blue you can get sucker punched and knocked out. Nothing like that ever occurs up to that point. And maybe I missed seeing it. But as far as I know, nothing like that happens again. So it's a random one off. And iirc, after you wake up. Jen tells you he called you lame.... like what? The whole thing is goofy and comes off extra self-inserty. Then to top it all off. The character is pretty much dead content, so you'll never actually get your get back.

So it's all just weird.

"You did it champion, by defeating Leofric and showing mercy getting him the help he so much needs, Jean and the mercenaries have recognized you as their new leader, from now on they will follow you when the time comes", and in game you get some weapon or armor and the fights against the mercenaries would be either optional or against those who won't accept you no matter what, letting you keep Lusamine, Boomer, Jean and the others, and you would have some cool new interactions with them

You're welcome Savin

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

"You did it champion, by defeating Leofric and showing mercy getting him the help he so much needs, Jean and the mercenaries have recognized you as their new leader, from now on they will follow you when the time comes", and in game you get some weapon or armor and the fights against the mercenaries would be either optional or against those who won't accept you no matter what, letting you keep Lusamine, Boomer, Jean and the others, and you would have some cool new interactions with them

You're welcome Savin

Savin: No thank you pleb, I have to write my self-insert taking cock from every angle now.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

Considering how much shit we talk in general. Especially when it comes to writers and their OCs doing weird things. And even on the smaller mundane stuff. This is definitely an unexpected take. While I never got caught off guard and had to go back to see it for myself later. Since I avoided that side of the map for the longest time.... and I don't even remember why I did .

But it's a situation where out of the blue you can get sucker punched and knocked out. Nothing like that ever occurs up to that point. And maybe I missed seeing it. But as far as I know, nothing like that happens again. So it's a random one off. And iirc, after you wake up. Jen tells you he called you lame.... like what? The whole thing is goofy and comes off extra self-inserty. Then to top it all off. The character is pretty much dead content, so you'll never actually get your get back.

So it's all just weird.

Maybe because I'm not as caught up on the bubs drama. Then again knowing these guys its probably the case. At least they course corrected...eventually.

It's not so much that he sneak attacks you, but how it's handled. The stat checks weren't added until way after the initial scene's implementation, the writing is juvenile, and it doesn't serve to establish Leofric as a combat pragmatist but instead to wank his power. It was peak Bubblelord.

How many times has B wanted to do something that people would obviously not like and gotten told it was a bad idea now? At least he listened that time.

So it's just the same issue then? Starting to see a pattern here.

At a guess, given the random encounter nature and Savin not wanting timed quests outside of advancing the main quest failing stuff, a timer may have been not received well since it'd be the only one and rely on randomly encountering the lupines or save scumming since the time up consequence would be RNG based. It could've been act locked but at that point the stakes are diminished so may as well save time on coding and just not have it. Stakes would be nice and immersive but this is one of those times I get why things are the way they are.

I mean, would it be really that difficult? Like, really think about that. Would it be really difficult. And even then, the rape could still happen, right? If she is captured, she gets raped. If she isn't and we save her, the emo route becomes a choice. If any at all. Bro, just did not want something he didn't like in there or Jstar got cold feet, either way there was a better option to fix that hole. The protag gets absolutely violated as soon as they enter the cave, she really shouldn't be treated any differently.
Though Savin didn't seem to have an issue with the pc getting torn the fuck up tho (-_-)

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

I mean, would it be really that difficult? Like, really think about that.

Obviously not difficult, just a random change to the preestablished quest design pattern that would have to be tweaked to not be reliant on RNG. Also let's face it, if we didn't complain a timed quest over here, someone else would. Though I'm mostly speculating, idk why Jstar's original vision got pushback after all, just looking at it that way since that seems like the most obvious answer based on what is known. As a certified timed quest hater, it doesn't bother me. Does feel out of place admittedly since we can end up as Lupine victims but not Drifa no matter what happens. They do seem to still have issues with coding time based triggers if the comments wondering why Hed isn't showing up when he's supposed to are anything to go by.

Or maybe Savin was worried he or someone else would have to touch hardcore content and talked Jstar out of it to minimize that risk or it Savin's peepee sad, who know.

So it's just the same issue then? Starting to see a pattern here.

CoC2 is great to establish pattern recognition.

Maybe because I'm not as caught up on the bubs drama.

You didn't miss much, Bubble just couldn't handle criticism and liked to argue and defend the honor of his OCs while nobody on the fenforum backed him up like ever.

You're welcome Savin

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[LandBeach]

Haven't been here in a long time. Is the game still getting shit on

 

[YouShallNotLol]

It's not even the fact that corrupt Drifa is not raped by anyone. It's the fact that the corruption is done by outsider third party, instead of you know the Champion.
Same with Ahmri, instead of Champ corrupting her, she just gets handed off to demons and later returned after skipping all the corruption process.
It's so fucking stupid. In the first game Champion was the driving force of purification or corruption of intractable characters. While in this shitshow Champ is just a silent voyeur, forever tied to a cuck chair (especially now that they removed bimbo hive, the only instance of Champ actually corrupting someone by their own hands).
I hate this shit with burning passion.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Haven't been here in a long time. Is the game still getting shit on

They are actively removing content from the game now. So it only gets worse with time.

 

[LandBeach]

They are actively removing content from the game now. So it only gets worse with time.

Damn. like what?

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Damn. like what?

They removed Corrupted Hive. And are constantly talking about removing more content like Takahiro and Marced Mercs (Lusamine, Boomer, Jen, Leofric etc.).
And that's aside from the already removed stuff from the past that got hushed down. Like all of the Berwyn's companion content.

 

[qwertzuiop]

Savin: No thank you pleb, I have to write my self-insert taking cock from every angle now.

Only the rear angle. Everything else from him is comparatively boring, bland and thoroughly uninspired. Which is a shame for some of the more interesting characters. Just saying, even if your mind is filled with anal, as a good writer you have to be able to jump over your own ego and write enticing stuff for different tastes.

 

[GarithosPurge]

A gameboy game that had two versions, like pokemon

Ah it was likely the 2 remaster. I only played the original 2 and forgot the remaster. I should play it properly soon, thanks for the reminder and Baroque recommendation!

I mean, since we're gonna talk about the mercenaries, I'll dash my two cents in. I never really understood people hating on Leofric for sneaking you. This is combat, any advantage counts, and a few stat checks save your character from humiliation is mint, which is more than what some other writer's want to do for players.

There was originally no stat check and you were knocked out without any way to defend yourself. It was just a way for the writer to wank about their own characters that, surprising no one, never came to fruition so now you just have dead end events and NPCs.

Even now when passing the check, the outcome is extremely lazy. "Heh, you're not too bad, kid." He says, suffering no consequences and getting away with it while the writer pretends he's an invincible war hero. In a better timeline, that should've been your chance to absolutely beat his ass into the ground and the stat check merely decided whether you had some kind of disadvantage or not (missing health, debuff at the start, etc.). Imagine after winning the fight, that's your chance to fuck his soldier right in front of him or even corrupt her if you've gone down that path. Hell, maybe you'd fuck and/or corrupt him. Imagine her beloved and respected commander getting railed or ridden right in front of her, slowly transforming to better your degenerate sexual preferences. Could've been femboy or full lady, or more. Would be pretty sweet to me, but instead it's just yet another instance of having little player agency and how you're not even the protagonist of your own story.

It's not even the fact that corrupt Drifa is not raped by anyone. It's the fact that the corruption is done by outsider third party, instead of you know the Champion.

I never would've expected corrupt Drifa from the event either. She has plenty of interactions in the wayfort, so wouldn't it make more sense for there to be corrupting options available through that instead for a gradual process? Examples are Jojo, Amily, and Kelt from 1. It's not just one scene where they had an oopsie and now they're corrupt. It's a direct, concentrated, and continued effort from the player while they struggle and resist it. It makes the whole outcome feel that much more rewarding.

I don't even like calling her "corrupt" Drifa. Goth chicks aren't corrupt, they're goth. It's like what my 12-year old self would've thought a corrupt character looks like, just add black. Give her some proper demon hellhound traits.

 

[Axismundi]

And are constantly talking about removing more content like Takahiro

I thought Takahiro was someone's golden boy self insert? I never liked Takahiro's content and wont miss it, but who pissed Sevin off to to get him on the chopping block?

 

[CrimsonSongbird1982]

I thought Takahiro was someone's golden boy self insert? I never liked Takahiro's content and wont miss it, but who pissed Sevin off to to get him on the chopping block?

Takahiro belonged to Bubblelord who ghosted everyone a while back and got a job. Nobody ever liked Taka besides Bubble.

Like all of the Berwyn's companion content.

There was never Berwyn companion content in Ba Sing Se.

It's not even the fact that corrupt Drifa is not raped by anyone. It's the fact that the corruption is done by outsider third party, instead of you know the Champion.
Same with Ahmri, instead of Champ corrupting her, she just gets handed off to demons and later returned after skipping all the corruption process.
It's so fucking stupid. In the first game Champion was the driving force of purification or corruption of intractable characters. While in this shitshow Champ is just a silent voyeur, forever tied to a cuck chair (especially now that they removed bimbo hive, the only instance of Champ actually corrupting someone by their own hands).
I hate this shit with burning passion.

A third party corrupting an NPC could work in theory, just not off screen. Technically you the player can corrupt Drifa by peer pressuring her into diving into the pool of evil water to get an item. In my defense I never learned how to swim and needed help.

Goth chicks aren't corrupt, they're goth.

You clearly haven't met any interesting goths.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

I thought Takahiro was someone's golden boy self insert? I never liked Takahiro's content and wont miss it, but who pissed Sevin off to to get him on the chopping block?

BubbleLord silently dipped from the project, and now Savin is taking petty pot-shots at his characters any chance he gets, like he has been doing to characters of other authors who had left.
Regular Savin activities, nothing out of the ordinary.

 

[Sacred_Lamb]

yet another instance of having little player agency and how you're not even the protagonist of your own story.

That's the crux of the main problem, innit?
You have minimal agency and are a total slave to the writers whims. You aren't considered or even the focus of YOUR story. Your a side character in every body else's story, a walking plot device or more precisely the npc the party adopts.

There was never Berwyn companion content in Ba Sing Se.

What content? What is this content you speak of?

It's not even the fact that corrupt Drifa is not raped by anyone. It's the fact that the corruption is done by outsider third party, instead of you know the Champion.
Same with Ahmri, instead of Champ corrupting her, she just gets handed off to demons and later returned after skipping all the corruption process.
It's so fucking stupid. In the first game Champion was the driving force of purification or corruption of intractable characters. While in this shitshow Champ is just a silent voyeur, forever tied to a cuck chair (especially now that they removed bimbo hive, the only instance of Champ actually corrupting someone by their own hands).
I hate this shit with burning passion.

third party corrupting an NPC could work in theory, just not off screen. Technically you the player can corrupt Drifa by peer pressuring her into diving into the pool of evil water to get an item. In my defense I never learned how to swim and needed help.

Technicalities are for lawyers that are trying to finagle their way out of a life sentence for some pedo they knew for a fact f*** a child. We all know that the corruption was cut extremely sharp. The fact that it's just dipped into the corrupt water. And boom, you're corrupted, speaks volumes.

 

[Tsubuhaza]

His reasoning is probably bad but removing the literal chosen one angle from Leofric adds actual potential to his character. Isn't she implied to maybe be Tira in disguise also? If so then Tira is out of the bottom tier of the gods in the game.

That wouldn't be a problem if Savco wasn't going to fucking trash everything along with Leofric's special OC bit.

I love how Marie Alter uses the guillotine blade that killed her as a noble phantasm.

I'm genuinely looking forward to Id, but I know better than to expect getting Marie Alter. Fucking gacha.

I thought Takahiro was someone's golden boy self insert? I never liked Takahiro's content and wont miss it, but who pissed Sevin off to to get him on the chopping block?

Takahiro belonged to Bubblelord who ghosted everyone a while back and got a job. Nobody ever liked Taka besides Bubble.

BubbleLord silently dipped from the project, and now Savin is taking petty pot-shots at his characters any chance he gets, like he has been doing to characters of other authors who had left.
Regular Savin activities, nothing out of the ordinary.

I do think this isn't so much a Little Bitch Savin moment, but them just axing shit to see if they can finally finish the game. Thankfully modding has advanced enough to allow us the possibility of building on top of the game and reinserting stuff, right?

 

[gembunny]

I do think this isn't so much a Little Bitch Savin moment, but them just axing shit to see if they can finally finish the game. Thankfully modding has advanced enough to allow us the possibility of building on top of the game and reinserting stuff, right?

Thing is they can finish their damn game without removing more and more shit.

The hive was a dead end but it didn't need removing, it needed the actual higher ups to get off their ass and do something with it and its corruption content. "Nobody wanted to write for it" my ass, you (you as in Savin) put it in there as an option, you should account for that branch ffs.
The mercs are a dead end bc Bubs dipped for his own good (I consider anyone fucking off from SavCo on their own merits as for their own good tbh (RIP Hugs mental health given his case was mostly unwilling tho he is doing a lot better lately), Bubs has been shown displeased with Savin in those discord logs years ago that I really need to fucking find again from I think the TiTS thread) and nobody's taking over for them. Bluebird I think recently said they could if they were able, but Savin would rather just nuke them all into the ether, despite the fact that Lusamine is one of the most popular mercs with many wanting to help her fertility issues, and Boomer is relatively unproblematic but doesn't have a lot going on. However as stated, the mercs have a lot of value in staying in, they just need someone to pick them up, and that is a lot of character (and some worldbuilding) content potential on its own through that gang if you do it well.
Quin is a dead end but we keep hearing that he's being worked on, but I've not seen anything on that. So until there is noted progress outside of a "he said she said" sorta thing, I consider him dead too and unfortunately yet another male companion at risk of being thrown out just bc Savin wants to.

I don't trust mods to be stable until this game is finished tbh. CoC1's mods came after its death, so it won't break every build. We're still not at that point yet with 2 and god knows how long that'll be.