Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Wrynn13]

Big difference between hating a character and hating how a character is used. I don't refuse to let Cait join my party cause I hate the character, I do it to spite Savin.

 

[Walk Cycle]

That the wolf from tits? Ngl never even gave her a chance. Soon as i realized she was one of Savin's and his tried and true two dollar skank archetype to boot i was out of her shop in 2.6 seconds

You're missing out, she's the best merchant in the game and as the other guy said, offers up a bunch of people to bang. I don't hate "Savin's Skanks" because they straight up tell you they sleep around and you shouldn't expect a monogamous relationship with them. And that's fine, my Champion/Steele gets weak-kneed every time he comes across a dominant woman/futa and ends up as a heaving mess after they're done with him. If my Champion/Steele is such a slut why would I be mad that Anno/Cait sleeps around?

 

[Deviton123]

Asking the player to suspend their disbelief once for a "champion that is better than you, can ggez the BBEG" is a bit much, but possible.

You know what show does that but does it so much better than COC2? Goblin Slayer. The MC isn't the chosen one or the most powerful adventurer around, but the shit he does still influences the world in some way and people will go to him if help is needed within his area of expertise. There's also a shit ton of scenes that make him look as badass as possible, but the authors of COC2 would never do something like that, probably because they can't. It doesn't help that the people who support them for whatever reason like feeling like a chump when they wanna escape reality to play an RPG.

 

[Hachikaido]

Caits sidequest is not your end-point goal. It's a sidequest.

Would be great if that were the case, then all the champions would at least feel equal in importance to the story. But that isn't the case if what people here are saying is true regarding how Cait's story is the narrative thread leading to confronting Kas among other major plot points. While I'm usually one not to take these things seriously, part of me is inclined to believe it since her story is moving at the slowest pace, otherwise I can't fathom why else there has not been more stuff if not because it's integral to the major story points coming up in the future or end of the series. One of these days I'll just bite the bullet and join the discord to spoil myself on all the storylines.

The vast majority of TiTS that you can engage with you do so only because you want to. When you're down their swashbuckling with pirates and natives, you're doing this because you wanted to. You don't have to and the story and the sidequest(s) progresses with various outcomes depending on what you did or did not want to do.


I'm sure I don't need to explain to you why a player controlled MC doing something and an NPC doing something are completely different in regards to player reception and relevance. Such a thing is as simple to understand as the difference between "giving" and "receiving".

Also, don't look to deeply into this, I could go on on about the problems of each game. Like when you said you are creating your own quest for TITs. I would hardly consider that the sidequest counts as part of your quest. They are more minigames than anything, in relation to their importance or outcome towards the world. It only feels like a part of your quest because and this is an important part of enjoying these text games: you are roleplaying, you fill in missing details, and ponder on scenarios that might have led you into a certain mess. You might have been a heroic "swashbuckling" tale with the natives, and another person could have been coldly monitoring any weakness in the natives that would allow Steele Tech to swiftly take over and reap benefits over the resource-rich Mhen'ga. These miniguns (Edit: minigames, but I got a chuckle from it so I'll leave it) are often vague enough that you could turn the outcome into a good or bad one for your Steele.

But I digress, I'm just the type of person to kick the shins of people who want their cake while stuffing themselves. I wanted to discuss the main goals of the mc, and the obfuscation happening in the thread. If people are gonna say the MC does not have a goal of their own I'm gonna bust their balls for being stupid. I'm well aware of the wanting of a power fantasy, and having the whole story revolve around them. Player agency blah blah, I get it, but like I said before I want to kick people's shins. If people want to share their reason on an online forum for wanting a character to be a certain way just to fulfill their own story I'll go out of my way to tell them to go write their own story. Because this is meant to cater to lots of people, not just (you).

 

[Tau_Iota]

You know what show does that but does it so much better than COC2? Goblin Slayer. The MC isn't the chosen one or the most powerful adventurer around, but the shit he does still influences the world in some way and people will go to him if help is needed within his area of expertise. There's also a shit ton of scenes that make him look as badass as possible, but the authors of COC2 would never do something like that, probably because they can't. It doesn't help that the people who support them for whatever reason like feeling like a chump when they wanna escape reality to play an RPG.

I keep hearing that Goblin Slayer is so good, but I always end up watching/playing something else instead lmao The MC does look dope af though.

These miniguns are often vague enough that you could turn the outcome into a good or bad one for your Steele.

Ah the ol' Schrodinger's Minigun. You don't know if it's a good minigun or a bad minigun until you fire it

If people want to share their reason on an online forum for wanting a character to be a certain way just to fulfill their own story I'll go out of my way to tell them to go write their own story. Because this is meant to cater to lots of people, not just (you).

People wanting a role to play in their RPG aside from being Yes-Man isn't the biggest thing in the world to ask for. This game wanted to be a story-heavy game, and so must deal with the criticisms story-heavy games get. There's a reason why you don't see very many Dragon Quest Vs floating around (you quite literally are not The Hero in that game). Oblivion manages it in some respects, Martin Septim is very much the Chosen One (he's the one who defeats Mehrunes Dagon) but it's acknowledged that he would never have gotten that far without you. Kingdom Come: Deliverance is in the same boat, you're never not the son of a blacksmith. Sure you become a squire to a Lord, but you're still relatively low on the totem pole. However, once again that Lord would be absolutely lost without you. CoC2 seems like it's trying this method, but it's incredibly hard to both do that and make it enjoyable. KC: D gives you plenty of other things to do to really make you feel like someone, such as learning how to read. Oblivion does you one better, and lets you become a Daedric Prince in one of the greatest DLCs ever made.

 

[Lucky_I]

You know what show does that but does it so much better than COC2? Goblin Slayer. The MC isn't the chosen one or the most powerful adventurer around, but the shit he does still influences the world in some way and people will go to him if help is needed within his area of expertise. There's also a shit ton of scenes that make him look as badass as possible, but the authors of COC2 would never do something like that, probably because they can't. It doesn't help that the people who support them for whatever reason like feeling like a chump when they wanna escape reality to play an RPG.

I disagree. I belive the Champion does plenty that results in a lot of influence.

We saved the centaur, marefolk, and orc tribes and married both heirs to the horse tribes and made the orc tribe leader our bitch. We saved the elf city, save and helped their runaway royal heir, overthrow the corrupt ruler, made said heir become the new ruler, and was given titles, a fort(that you cleared out), and are basically the royal consort as a result. Not to mention having a hand in having the druids and elves truce with one another. And sooner or later we're going to save ANOTHER city, become that city's champion, become champion of a colosseum to marry one of the king's legion commanders. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended being another royal consort.

And I'm pretty sure most of the quests we get come from people asking for our help as either a result of what we accomplished or...because we happened to be there but video games be like that.

 

[Xigbarounet]

I agree with most of what's been said about Cait. I don't care if she has her own sex life, especially considering her background, but I DO dislike when the writers just feel the strange need to remind me at every possible occasion they find that she's getting it on with every single dick in a 1km radius at any given time.

But I have to say that I really enjoy her sex scenes, they're pretty hot, straight to the point, and relatively short compared to a good bunch of most recent stuff. Reading through them doesn't feel like a chore unlike some other companions. Probably has to do with her being one of the earliest character.

 

[Hachikaido]

That doesn't change anything? The argument was that the previous games had more obvious and tangible reasoning for being on the adventure they're on. It being thrust onto them doesn't suddenly invalidate that.

This person said and I quote " In CoC2, there is no such goal. There's no real rhyme or reason for the MC to do what they are doing." The goal of COC and COC2 are the same exact thing, their not even trying to hide it. There was nothing obvious or tangible about it in both cases, because you the player took control of the MC at a certain point in their life and both you and them knew fuck all about what was really happening in the world they were sent into or are currently in. I don't know if it's because the game got a conclusion that you think they had more ambitious goals through rp scenarios you had while playing but nope there was not such a thing. If you are going to say one goal is lacking then the same applies to the other.

So then don't make a story that's so in your face. This was not a problem in previous games.

And to that, I'll say, suck it up and avoid it, so that it's not in your face. You have the option to, why complain? The gentleman or gentlewoman above me said it best. "COC2 is a narrative game", you're not gonna be able to rp through as much as you could in the former games, but like the former games. If there was something you did not like you could avoid it.

Nobody said anything about the quality of the stories in these games. Everybody knows they're flimsy excuses to just have a smut adventure. People think Cait is more of an MC than us because she has an actual goal(that doesn't get incredibly muddied by romancing the main fucking villain), is the reason the plot gets kicked off, is a Mary Sue, forces herself into a lot of content randomly, and is an obvious dev pet. I don't agree with the view, but I do understand why someone would think that way.

People can like or dislike something for more than one reason. Get off your high horse.

It fascinates me how close you were to getting it, then took a full 180. The story is not important, people can think Cait's goal is more important or fulfilling goal than conquering the queen of demons through combat or pure rizz. I'm saying people are just bringing lore they don't care about, to say why their mad an NPC is sleeping with other people. I know they don't care about it because they can't even realize that the MC has the same goal copied and pasted straight from COC

Nobody said anything about the quality of the stories in these games. Everybody knows they're flimsy excuses to just have a smut adventure. People think Cait is more of an MC than us because she has an actual goal(that doesn't get incredibly muddied by romancing the main fucking villain), is the reason the plot gets kicked off, is a Mary Sue, forces herself into a lot of content randomly, and is an obvious dev pet. I don't agree with the view, but I do understand why someone would think that way.

Also of course they are a dev pet, a dev writes for them. They are their character and should strive to put in as much effort into them, just like how Ryn is a dev pet, her author puts way too much time into her but I'm not complaining because it means more content. The same goes for Kiyoko and Brint/Brienne who by far had the most content out of the bunch. Until recently, Ryn got expac so that might not be true anymore. Even you admit you don't agree with that view. Like them, I'm expressing my opinion about how they're wrong/misleading they are. If I got to get on a high horse to push them off theirs then I'll do it. Cause you did not even bother to say the same to them when they responded, someone has to and I had too much free time to do it.

You can have reasons to hate Cait, like I said I know why the majority of people here don't like her and I will make short jokily make fun of them when they say it. They are at least telling the truth, if this person said I feel that the importance of Cait story might overshadow the MC I would be more likely to believe them. I might not agree and might have asked them to go into detail about how their nonexistent content overshadows the MCs but then they can respond to me that Savin said he'll do this and that and in the end she will kill Kas or something but at least that is a concern I can see them having, even though it has not happened yet nor am I sure will actually happen. None is this happened here. Maybe I should have just responded with. "Get off your high horse, talking about lore you know nothing about and just call Cait a no good slut" would have saved me some time.

 

[confusedcommoner]

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0.6.5 Patch Notes:

• Vitra the ‘Mander Bartender has received several new sex scenes focused on femPCs — her baby momma needs some special attention. Or maybe Vitra needs some special attention from a very milky PC. Either/or!
• If you bring Viv to Vitra’s bar, the witch can offer to teach the mander some magic. This unlocks a new sex scene between Vitra and the PC where she puts what she learned to use!
• Prince Nyze has a new victory sex scene! (By BerrySicky)
• The High Ground quest now has additional support for if the PC, Liaden, and Azzy are all romantic. (By Alypia)

 

[thecatcameback]

Got a question for you all, does Kas only get locked into Love or Rival at Winter City or can you win her over again in Mino City?

 

[Hachikaido]

Got a question for you all, does Kas only get locked into Love or Rival at Winter City or can you win her over again in Mino City?

I think it's been stated that there will be more opportunities to raise your romance so it's not locked in yet. Whether you will be able to in Mino city though I'm not sure off. The range of her relationship score is like 4 and minimum so it may take multiple events to get her to love you if you continuously antagonized her.

 

[claralover]

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• Vitra the ‘Mander Bartender has received several new sex scenes focused on femPCs — her baby momma needs some special attention. Or maybe Vitra needs some special attention from a very milky PC. Either/or!
• If you bring Viv to Vitra’s bar, the witch can offer to teach the mander some magic. This unlocks a new sex scene between Vitra and the PC where she puts what she learned to use!
• Prince Nyze has a new victory sex scene! (By BerrySicky)
• The High Ground quest now has additional support for if the PC, Liaden, and Azzy are all romantic. (By Alypia)

Looks like we got some PC preg after all, nice

 

[thecatcameback]

Foxes are broken with the new update, lol. If you refuse them the game crashes. TOBS is starting to get desperate.

 

[Deviton123]

Foxes are broken with the new update, lol. If you refuse them the game crashes. TOBS is starting to get desperate.

Bro that can't be real, that's hillarious

 

[Biostar]

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• If you bring Viv to Vitra’s bar, the witch can offer to teach the mander some magic. This unlocks a new sex scene between Vitra and the PC where she puts what she learned to use!
• Prince Nyze has a new victory sex scene! (By BerrySicky)
• The High Ground quest now has additional support for if the PC, Liaden, and Azzy are all romantic. (By Alypia)

Fucking meh dude.

 

[Fizel]

Foxes are broken with the new update, lol. If you refuse them the game crashes. TOBS is starting to get desperate.

Bro that can't be real, that's hillarious

I wouldn't put it past him though.

 

[Alterism]

Foxes are broken with the new update, lol. If you refuse them the game crashes. TOBS is starting to get desperate.

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It was broken last patch. And I could swear they worked until the hotfix. But I can't check.

Like when you said you are creating your own quest for TITs.

You've misread.

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Speaking of:

She's also written to be this in-your-face love interest

Actually that's Etheryn.

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people are just bringing lore they don't care about

Nobody gives a fig about the story in borderlands and yet most people agree that Pre-Sequel is particularly bad in both departments and that 3 is negatively impacted and is only redeemed by having arguably the best gunplay in the franchise.

You don't have to care about the story/lore to make observations on why it's negatively impacting your experience. There are a lot of points of contention people have with this game. Laser focusing on one and handwaving the others with reductionist rhetoric "you just hate cait" is poor form.

In regards to story to begin with. The more pronounced you make your story, the more people notice it.

 

[Unobtainium]

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• Vitra the ‘Mander Bartender has received several new sex scenes focused on femPCs — her baby momma needs some special attention. Or maybe Vitra needs some special attention from a very milky PC. Either/or!
• If you bring Viv to Vitra’s bar, the witch can offer to teach the mander some magic. This unlocks a new sex scene between Vitra and the PC where she puts what she learned to use!
• Prince Nyze has a new victory sex scene! (By BerrySicky)
• The High Ground quest now has additional support for if the PC, Liaden, and Azzy are all romantic. (By Alypia)

I've always played a human man with a normal human cock and balls in these games, but I am so starved for vitra content that I guess I'm growing a vag.

 

[zak1235]

I've always played a human man with a normal human cock and balls in these games, but I am so starved for vitra content that I guess I'm growing a vag.

I know that feel too well, brother . TiTS seems like it has more content for us normal male enjoyers, but as a fan of pseudo-fantasy I'm saddened at how futa centralized CoC2 is

 

[Raf-Raf]

Actually that's Etheryn.

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Both are made by Savin and Etheryn is their literal OC OC / Golden Child so I guess I'm not that surprised while Cait is pretty much an OC girlfriend.