Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[NaturalEnclave]

Cait's probably up there because of sheer content size and some weird stockholm syndrome shit. I refuse to believe people genuinely like her as a person.

I actually believe people dislike her BECAUSE of sheer content size, cause it means she is everywhere, even when you don't want her to be there.

Hot take - I don't hate Cait. She ain't vanilla (as someone else said), but is basic instead. She and her entire personality is an easy-going, happy go lucky slutty girl that would fuck anything because why it's fun and actually it's her religion. It's not a bad concept. She serves as the polar opposite of characters like Brienne and Kyoko, which for a porn game that takes pride in it's variety is important.

In fact, I'd argue that being the first character you encounter - she establishes the tone of the world pretty well - it's a world of debauchery where it's fucked or be fucked and many characters see this as nothing serious or major. The issue with this is the fact that apparently we are supposed to be fighting against it, because soon it's going to be worse? This is more of the main plot issue.

every companion's response to her boils down to:
"She's so gosh darn sweet, you can't hate her!".
Call it contrarianism but it's that attitude that exactly makes her flaws stand out all the more.

That's also one of the reasons Cait is in a weird spot. She is easy as fuck to write for, because her entire personality is a heal-slut bimbo who would never refuse a fuck (and I actually sort of like that archetype). But the game has multiple writers, who all take different approaches to the companions, like how you can permalock yourself out of Kyoko by ignoring the item required for her. And actually, she is a monogamous wife and Brienne also wants to be like that.
So suddenly we have a cast of companions who are very different from Cait. So, what are they going to say about her? Will they bitch about her being a slut? Thinking about it, it's just awkward - you have a party of rather sane, established people who would fuck with you and only you and then Turboslut Cait who fucks everyone. Not sure how party members would even react to her without being awkward about it, so the writes just go with "Ah, she is quite nice and also hot."

TLDR: Cait is actually a decent companion but now feels out of place compared to other companions, but makes perfect sense in the setting and is hated because she appears more than welcomed. I'd say she is the companion who would become better by removing content with her, rather than adding, because that way she can stay in her own specific niche bubble like other companions and not step on other toes.

 

[Skandranon]

In fact, I'd argue that being the first character you encounter - she establishes the tone of the world pretty well - it's a world of debauchery where it's fucked or be fucked and many characters see this as nothing serious or major. The issue with this is the fact that apparently we are supposed to be fighting against it, because soon it's going to be worse? This is more of the main plot issue.

Eh, I don't think that's right.

Fuck or be fucked isn't normal in most places - most of the creatures you fight in this game that try to rape you are corrupted.

The main exceptions are kitsune (who are at least as nice about it as sex vampires can be) and orcs (literally a marauding warband).

The world is, obviously, very sexually open, but the specific problems we run into are almost all Kass related.

So suddenly we have a cast of companions who are very different from Cait. So, what are they going to say about her? Will they bitch about her being a slut? Thinking about it, it's just awkward - you have a party of rather sane, established people who would fuck with you and only you and then Turboslut Cait who fucks everyone. Not sure how party members would even react to her without being awkward about it, so the writes just go with "Ah, she is quite nice and also hot."

Your party only has...3 people who are banging you and only you, story wise (even if, obviously, most content practically focuses on PC).

Everyone with a dick will fuck anyone else (except sub Arona, and that's not so much by choice), Azzy has her thing going on, obviously Cait, Atugia will also bang other people if she wants (she gets into it with Arona)...it's really just Brienne, Kiyoko, and Agni.

Brienne, Kiyoko and Agni are also all, coincidentally, in various abnormal situations that cause them to fixate on you (Briennes cursed, Kiyoko cause amulet + fox society stuff, and Agni because she only takes one lover per life or whatever).

Cait is actually closer to the norm than your companions are. The disconnect comes from the writers knowing players like semi-monogamous characters, so a lot of characters end up that way even if it runs counter to the setting.

TiTs has the same problem, with the same disconnect. It's most evident in certain places at the start of relationships. All three people you can marry right now make a point of telling you that the relationship isn't exclusive; despite the fact that it's seems marriages not being exclusive is the norm anyway, so why bring it up? Same in TiTs, with everyone you get romantic with telling you that their species or society or whatever doesn't do monogamy - but apparently nobody does, so it really weird that it keeps being said.

Cait telling you she's going to bang other people is actually odd because...everyone else does that too, if not to the same extent, and nobody cares if you are just as much a slut as Cait.

Basically: in both games, they set up a "free love" sort of world, but they know players also want their waifu characters, and they try to have both.

TLDR: Cait is actually a decent companion but now feels out of place compared to other companions, but makes perfect sense in the setting and is hated because she appears more than welcomed. I'd say she is the companion who would become better by removing content with her, rather than adding, because that way she can stay in her own specific niche bubble like other companions and not step on other toes.

The problem is her "specific niche" is mostly threesomes. By definition she's built to be included in other people's stuff.
Which is why I called her vanilla - she doesn't really have any strong flavor of her own.

 

[MoneyMan181]

The main exceptions are kitsune (who are at least as nice about it as sex vampires can be)

Fighting people if they refuse to have sex with you is not even fucking remotely nice. I'm not going to fight random people for food unless I'm starving to death. It's even more fucked if the person in question values their chastity. Kitsunes are fucked bro, there really is no defending them. You're also forgetting the "exceptions" that are the shitgoblins, harpies, Kaina, Avani Rider, Selkies, Jotuns, marefolk, the manticore, and the mino-miners all have loss sex scenes. If loss sex scenes are this common, it's a fuck or be fucked world and kass has nothing to do with any of these scenes.

Atugia will also bang other people if she wants (she gets into it with Arona)

I don't remember this ever happening. Post the scene, please?

The disconnect comes from the writers knowing players like semi-monogamous characters, so a lot of characters end up that way even if it runs counter to the setting.

There are exceptions to every rule, though? Irl monogamy is the norm but there are still polyamorous people. It's not a disconnect because it's a deeply personal thing that varies wildly from person to person, regardless of culture or what the norm is. And Cait telling you she fucks other people isn't odd because it sets up player expectation that other people might also be like that, which lets them steer clear from the game if they don't like that.

Which is why I called her vanilla - she doesn't really have any strong flavor of her own.

If people can dislike her this much, I don't think she qualifies as vanilla. That and because like other people said, fucking and sucking 18 naked cowboys on ram ranch isn't really vanilla. A lot of people aren't super into what is essentially a free-use slut, regardless of how basic her personality is.

Imo arguing about tonal inconsistency is pointless at this rate. Devs obviously just stick random shit into the game regardless of how well it fits with everything else so why even bother caring if they don't?

 

[Skandranon]

Fighting people if they refuse to have sex with you is not even fucking remotely nice.

Eh, it's exactly the same conflict vampires in most fiction.

Evil vampires are the ones that murder and enslave people, while the good vampires are the ones that try to drain willing people, or at least not kill anyone.

Just with sex instead. If this game had "evil" kitsune to make the parallel more clear, we probably wouldn't even be having this discussion.

I don't remember this ever happening. Post the scene, please?

Don't know how to trigger it and not at home.

Basically Atugia claims she's really good at oral, Arona challenges her, Tui makes her cum in like two seconds. It's a camp scene.

There are exceptions to every rule, though? Irl monogamy is the norm but there are still polyamorous people. It's not a disconnect because it's a deeply personal thing that varies wildly from person to person, regardless of culture or what the norm is.

It's a disconnect because it's treated like it's the exception, not the norm.

IRL, if you get into a relationship, you probably don't ever have to ask if you two are allowed to fuck other people - because the default is "hell no".

If someone is polygamous, they would definitely bring that up, because they know that isn't the standard.

In this game and TiTs, open relationships and marriages seem to be the standard, but still everyone sees fit to reassure you that they don't mind you messing around - which makes no sense.

And of course, I know why they did that - it's to pander to the player. They want relationships that are IRL "traditional" in a society that exists with different traditions.

And Cait telling you she fucks other people isn't odd because it sets up player expectation that other people might also be like that, which lets them steer clear from the game if they don't like that.

Yeah this is kinda my point - it's basically addressed directly at the player. From an in universe perspective, it's odd.

If people can dislike her this much, I don't think she qualifies as vanilla.

I dont think how many people like her has any bearing on that at all.

And anyway, it's not like the people disliking her are the majority or anything - she's a fairly well liked character. Not as much as Kiyoko or Brienne of course, but well-liked overall. Remember, this place is a tiny, tiny slice of the playerbase.

In any case, my saying her being vanilla probably just speaks more to my personal tastes than anything, it's not super important.

Imo arguing about tonal inconsistency is pointless at this rate. Devs obviously just stick random shit into the game regardless of how well it fits with everything else so why even bother caring if they don't?

Eh, I just like talking about stuff I like.

It's fun.

 

[Basty96]

All three people you can marry right now make a point of telling you that the relationship isn't exclusive

Uhhhm What? Kiyoko is mono so are Atani and Ahmri.

 

[Femboys and Futas]

It's weird too because kiyokos built (at the start) like she should be a fox brienne. Both breed rapidly and like family, both are monogamous but ok with you doing whatever, both are party members, both are lovey dovey touchy feely (kiyo at least at the start), but imo the orb time skip things the issue. There's some moments like when you sleep with kiyoko on the outside and she feels the pc for real and isn't alone when she wakes up etc, but her personality feels off. She kinda pops out of the orb in "queen" mode and from then on interactions are just wrong.

They want her and kinu to be royalty and harsh but fair and all but compare them to other long term devoted partners: brienne you treat right and take care of (or I guess she still loves you even if you abuse her), and shes devoted af. Ryns got all sorts of issues but you can cuddle and talk with her and then she's devoted af besides weird writer moments, pretty much immediately giving you a high enough rank, with a fortress and forces included, to marry her with minimal problems eventually after the winter city stuff. Kas wants your soul to use as her baby battery but also treats the pc very loving if you do so in return, she has her own agenda and desires like kiyoko, but also values the pc openly.

Meanwhile kiyoko requires currently the most effort besides kas to save but is the non sexy, abusive version of a dommy mommy. She has occasional moments to reel in the mc like "here's dinner uwu" but then goes back to treating you like crap and not even wanting to invite you to much. It's like emotional abuse when she talks about the ""potential"" nakano has and how much kinu is in love with him and how you better keep your nose out of their business etc. The den as a whole just feels like you're not welcome, rindo and miko are basically your hos only until they find someone better, and you basically stare at the walls while everyone, including your hos, talk about how great nakano and the town drunk are. You can literally go to khor minos and have a harem and family, winter city and have a harem and probably become king, setup at the temple of mallach and engage in debauchery for the rest of your days, or you can be a ho that politely sits in the corner until your wife is done, with untold children that apparently all don't particularly like you while kinu goes off on her own adventures protecting them.

I imagine if they would have let the pc arrive at the attack on their home, and had you barge in the burning buildings picking up little fox kids going "papa/mama I'm scared" and going doom slayer on the attackers while floofs are on your back it would have gone a good way in building investment and attachment instead of giving all that to kinu. The orb time skip just seemed to remove anything you did with kinu or kiyoko so that could have been a good incident for them all to recognize you as their parent and to have went ahead and been done with kinus daddy/parent issues.

 

[Konstantinus]

"Yeah, they have vigorous mating sex for a few days straight in-game, only coming out when Azami admits she's pregnant. She then goes about retiring from active duty with the scouts, all so she can focus on being a mom. And then Takahiro tells you that you can be his fuckbuddy/second wife whenever you're around."
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Is the cursive thing real or just example? I can in this topic not anymore discern between shitposting and real shit.

 

[Skandranon]

Uhhhm What? Kiyoko is mono so are Atani and Ahmri.

All of them tell you that marriages in their culture aren't binding (heresy on Kiyokos part, haven't actually done it).

Ahmri's dad specifically tells you that she's allowed to take other husbands, immediately followed by the fact that she probably won't.

The characters are mono by their own choice, not by the actual rules of the relationship; any one of them go out and bang a horde of minos and not be breaking any established rules between the two of you.

 

[Basty96]

Is the cursive thing real or just example? I can in this topic not anymore discern between shitposting and real shit.

wdym? if it's actual planned content? then i'm afraid to say yes it is

 

[Konstantinus]

Your party only has...3 people who are banging you and only you, story wise (even if, obviously, most content practically focuses on PC).

Everyone with a dick will fuck anyone else (except sub Arona, and that's not so much by choice), Azzy has her thing going on, obviously Cait, Atugia will also bang other people if she wants (she gets into it with Arona)...it's really just Brienne, Kiyoko, and Agni.

If you include Agni then you have to include then you have to include Azzy too. Agni like Azzy would start a thing if you have no problem with it though you can both tell off as they first come to you for hooking up. Where Azzy asks for Liadin asks Agni for the Hellhound. The differences are Azzy you tell her you are not confortable with her having a thing beside you so she stays away from anything unless you want to have fun with her mother and her too. Agni asks you if you think the Hellhound which is actually your mate asks you if she watches her as in making sure she is not doing anything to the temple or would be ready for fucking so instead of being able to tell her you want not your partners do something behind your back you only are able to tell her, that Hellhounds are dangerous if you do not want her to go fucking the hellhound.

 

[Basty96]

If you include Agni then you have to include then you have to include Azzy too. Agni like Azzy would start a thing if you have no problem with it though you can both tell off as they first come to you for hooking up. Where Azzy asks for Liadin asks Agni for the Hellhound. The differences are Azzy you tell her you are not confortable with her having a thing beside you so she stays away from anything unless you want to have fun with her mother and her too. Agni asks you if you think the Hellhound which is actually your mate asks you if she watches her as in making sure she is not doing anything to the temple or would be ready for fucking so instead of being able to tell her you want not your partners do something behind your back you only are able to tell her, that Hellhounds are dangerous if you do not want her to go fucking the hellhound.

unless it was patched out Azzy goes behind your back and start a relationship with Liaden

 

[Konstantinus]

unless it was patched out Azzy goes behind your back and start a relationship with Liaden

As far as I know since we got the option to just tell her you will not help her setting up with Liaden then there will nothing happen if you never set her up to beginn with.

 

[Kroenen12]

Is the cursive thing real or just example? I can in this topic not anymore discern between shitposting and real shit.

wdym? if it's actual planned content? then i'm afraid to say yes it is

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[Skandranon]

If you include Agni then you have to include then you have to include Azzy too. Agni like Azzy would start a thing if you have no problem with it though you can both tell off as they first come to you for hooking up. Where Azzy asks for Liadin asks Agni for the Hellhound. The differences are Azzy you tell her you are not confortable with her having a thing beside you so she stays away from anything unless you want to have fun with her mother and her too. Agni asks you if you think the Hellhound which is actually your mate asks you if she watches her as in making sure she is not doing anything to the temple or would be ready for fucking so instead of being able to tell her you want not your partners do something behind your back you only are able to tell her, that Hellhounds are dangerous if you do not want her to go fucking the hellhound.

Agni just met you and isn't in a relationship with you, nor is she asking for a relationship with the Hellhound, just sex. She's not even asking so much for permission as if it's a good idea, if I recall correctly.

Azzy is basically your girlfriend at that point, and is asking you if you mind her snagging a second girlfriend.

The situations are quite a bit different, I'd say.

 

[Konstantinus]

Okay maybe the situations are not quite same but not quite different either. Okay Azzy is in a relationship and ask you for help in having a sideflick for when you are off (fucking other woman) and assumes you are fine with it as from what all she sees it is normal but does not do it if you tell you are not fine with it. While Agni knows you are the mate of the hellhound and so want to know if your mate will fuck her or not despite as you say her not being with you in a relationship right now.

 

[Skandranon]

Okay maybe the situations are not quite same but not quite different either. Okay Azzy is in a relationship and ask you for help in having a sideflick for when you are off (fucking other woman) and assumes you are fine with it as from what all she sees it is normal but does not do it if you tell you are not fine with it. While Agni knows you are the mate of the hellhound and so want to know if your mate will fuck her or not despite as you say her not being with you in a relationship right now.

It's your girlfriend asking something vs, basically, a stranger at that point.

It's not really the same thing when it comes to the initial point I was making, which was basically who takes advantage of an open relationship vs who doesn't.

Agni isn't in a relationship with you at that point, so, I don't think it really qualifies for my example.

Though to be fair, we have so little for her I'm not sure what her attitude towards that kinda thing will be in the future.

 

[Lord Kentus]

unless it was patched out Azzy goes behind your back and start a relationship with Liaden

Which is why you toss that cheating whore into the slut honey before she can betray you

 

[Konstantinus]

It's your girlfriend asking something vs, basically, a stranger at that point.

It is basically your girlfriend asking you for help fucking a casual knowing vs a casual knowing asking you if it is a good idea fucking your girlfriend.

Agni isn't in a relationship with you at that point, so, I don't think it really qualifies for my example.

But it is the hellhound she want to fuck which at this point is your dedicated partner and the mother of your children.

Which is why you toss that cheating whore into the slut honey before she can betray you

Is it really cheating if she tells you about it? Unless it turns out she will still starts something despite after saying she will not do it if you tell her you will not help her then she does not deserve those comments.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Is it really cheating if she tells you about it? Unless it turns out she will still starts something despite after saying she will not do it if you tell her you will not help her then she does not deserve those comments.

Yes, because she will do it regardless as observed in other scenes.

Also its a Wasp, those are creatures of pure evil and hatred, its no wonder you can't expect loyalty from one unless if its enforced via imposed mental blocks.

 

[Meblue]

Does anyone know of any games similar to COC 1 or 2? Preferably with a good amount of role-play capability, and I'm not too picky about that. I've tried Monster girl dreams which was pretty good, I've also played Lilith's throne which... well it has potential but... lets be honest here, it's gonna take a century for that game to be even partially finished. But yeah, any suggestions?