Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.8.4] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[Kroenen12]

That is nice, actually. Hope that we can give Alante a big schlong.

I remember a conversation about that, discord? 4chan?
let me check...

 

[Skandranon]

I remember a conversation about that, discord? 4chan?
let me check...

I remember this one. It was on Discord, old room.

Savin said he was trying to convince Wsan to let us give Alante a dick.

I'm like 40% sure he was joking, and Wsan never said anything about it, so I don't think it's gonna be a thing.

Unless Wsans addiction kicks in again. He hasn't written a centaur futa with a sex addiction since 2021...withdrawal has to set in at some point.

 

[Kroenen12]

I found it...

Spoiler: maybe?

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[Wrynn13]

Ask to slap a dick on and the devs laugh it up and say you betcha, ask to remove a dick and they scream warcrimes! Not too much work to code in extra scenes for horsecock eh Savin? But oh gods no so much bother for someone that doesn't even have scenes with their dick involved yet can't do that.

 

[MoneyMan181]

I feel like giving a single person a blowjob launching a character on the slut scale from Brienne to Cait is a damn long shot...there should be some stops along the way, I'd say.

Didn't mean to imply she's the same level as Cait, but the stepping stones are definitely there. Regardless, I was led to believe the character was one thing and turned out to be another, the author definitely should've made it more obvious she is more loose than what she initially seems like.

The scale is wildly different.

Scale is different, but the core of the issue is the same. You offer fans something else, then start injecting very questionable things into that thing.

I have read it. It was rough.

But see, here's the thing: it doesn't affect anything. 5 minutes later, Brienne is fine. If she were traumatized, if she shivered and cried every time she saw a hobgoblin from that point forward...then yeah, I get it, hobgoblin murdering time, but there's nothing there.

So it's just a "man, that sucked, what was that for" and then moving on.

Well then I'm sorry but maybe you're just not empathetic enough or don't care about Brienne enough to understand my point of view. That scene is fucking vile and goes in complete contrast with the rest of the character and the entire game. Even if there's no impact in the game for a specific event, the impact it can have on the player is immense. Hence my astronomical distaste for Savin and TOBS now where I thought TOBS was just a shitty writer and didn't mind Savin.

I'm also kinda pissed that you imply Brienne is fine with being fucking raped and degraded just because they don't have a constant reminder of it, but whatever.

Though just as an aside....the Wsan "fiasco" wasn't actually recent.
It was over a year ago. Someone just recently brought it up on the Discord and f95 just latched onto it.

Neat. Still think the devs are on some fatherless behavior though.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Well...it's about hunger with vampires too.

Humans dont need to exclusively feed on other sentient, intelligent beings to live.

Kitsune and vampires do. That's the tragic part of most vampire stories with "not-evil" vampires. Also, Tokyo Ghoul.

A "good" vampire would ask permission and would take no for an answer. That's what makes them good. If I walked into your house and asked for your TV and you said no, would I be good if I took it anyway?

If the kitsune asked and said "Damn ok, jerk" if you said no, then they would be good people. They're basically just politely robbing you. Someone asks you for $20, you say no, they beat you up and take it... are they good? They did ask.

You see what I'm getting at. They're not asking you, they're telling you they're going to feed on you. All that changes in their eyes is if they have to work for it.

Aside from modern fiction (ie Witcher's higher vampires), the only good vampires were half-breeds known as dhampirs (think Alucard from Castlevania, Blade). Those came about from a vampire having a kid with a human, and would often have the powers of both humans and vampires. They usually end up as vampire hunters as well.

Tl;dr Kitsunes mug ya but ask first. Not a good look

 

[Tau_Iota]

Well then I'm sorry but maybe you're just not empathetic enough or don't care about Brienne enough to understand my point of view. That scene is fucking vile and goes in complete contrast with the rest of the character and the entire game. Even if there's no impact in the game for a specific event, the impact it can have on the player is immense. Hence my astronomical distaste for Savin and TOBS now where I thought TOBS was just a shitty writer and didn't mind Savin.

Also in a text-based game ya gotta fill in the blanks a lot of the time. One of those blanks in this scenario would be "How would my mino-buddy be feeling right now, considering we're in front of the same group that brutally raped her?"

But sometimes nice things as well, like what your mino-buddy is up to at the tavern where you keep them safe and sound.

 

[Amnelis]

Does anyone know of any games similar to COC 1 or 2? Preferably with a good amount of role-play capability, and I'm not too picky about that. I've tried Monster girl dreams which was pretty good, I've also played Lilith's throne which... well it has potential but... lets be honest here, it's gonna take a century for that game to be even partially finished. But yeah, any suggestions?

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These are the closest that come to mind, mainly unfinished but worth checking out if you want something similar enough to CoC.

 

[Daekas]

Just went through some of the 'new' content i missed out on in the last couple 'updates'
...
Ain't good. But i got an idea.

 

[Skandranon]

Scale is different, but the core of the issue is the same. You offer fans something else, then start injecting very questionable things into that thing.

Well then I'm sorry but maybe you're just not empathetic enough or don't care about Brienne enough to understand my point of view. That scene is fucking vile and goes in complete contrast with the rest of the character and the entire game. Even if there's no impact in the game for a specific event, the impact it can have on the player is immense. Hence my astronomical distaste for Savin and TOBS now where I thought TOBS was just a shitty writer and didn't mind Savin.

Eh, I'm plenty empathetic, but a story where an event happens then is immediately forgotten and not addressed by said story has very little weight to me. If the characters don't treat something as important, why should I?

Just like the characters in this game don't care about normal loss sex (outside of that scene), so even though a lot of that stuff would probably be soul-scarring, it has no effect. Same with other things the characters don't treat as important: character's don't care about their partners sexual escapades, it's not that important.

But, as I said, it's probably due to a fundamental difference in views on this subject.

I'm also kinda pissed that you imply Brienne is fine with being fucking raped and degraded just because they don't have a constant reminder of it, but whatever.

...this is a little far though. The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all.

I said, and am implying, that anything I don't like is simply easily ignored. If a scene goes and is going south, I just click out of it. If my character accidentally bangs someone I don't want them to - just click out of it. If a character has a single sex scene that makes me uncomfortable - I just click out of it. The nature of this game means that most of that stuff has no effect on character development or later happenings.

 

[M0nte]

Everyone talking about Brienne being raped while forgetting that Brint can also suffer the same fate... Pfff.

 

[muschi26]

Everyone talking about Brienne being raped while forgetting that Brint can also suffer the same fate... Pfff.

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[Tau_Iota]

The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all

It seems you both just play differently. MoneyMan prefers to immerse into the game and treat those inside the game as people. It's why story-driven games are successful, and even a lot of Girl Life-esque sandbox games attempt to give randomly generated AI partners personality as well (see New Life, despite its current status). People like to interact with people and makes porn with said people even hotter. Random Mino-Man/Mino-Woman #231 don't hit the same as Brint/Brienne because you've grown attachment to them. It's why they and Kiyoko do better than Quint and Tui. Because they're more fleshed out as people. You on the other hand are the classic porn enjoyer, it seems. Here for the scenes and you're good. Respectable but makes it hard to see why someone would be upset that something like that happened.

Remember that this game draws inspiration from DnD. People get real attached to their DnD characters and compatriots. Even if they're NPCs.

Everyone talking about Brienne being raped while forgetting that Brint can also suffer the same fate... Pfff.

I never forget Brint. That's why I made sure to say Mino-Buddy. Gender neutral and rolls of the tongue
But forreal though. It's almost more heartbreaking in Brint's case.

 

[Skandranon]

It seems you both just play differently. MoneyMan prefers to immerse into the game and treat those inside the game as people. It's why story-driven games are successful, and even a lot of Girl Life-esque sandbox games attempt to give randomly generated AI partners personality as well (see New Life, despite its current status). People like to interact with people and makes porn with said people even hotter. Random Mino-Man/Mino-Woman #231 don't hit the same as Brint/Brienne because you've grown attachment to them. It's why they and Kiyoko do better than Quint and Tui. Because they're more fleshed out as people. You on the other hand are the classic porn enjoyer, it seems. Here for the scenes and you're good. Respectable but makes it hard to see why someone would be upset that something like that happened.

Remember that this game draws inspiration from DnD. People get real attached to their DnD characters and compatriots. Even if they're NPCs.

Nah, that's not it. I'm plenty attached to the characters. I think of all the characters as people; for instance, its why I'm okay with them having other relationships: if my character is allowed, seems shitty for not giving them the same courtesy.

I'd say my attitude is actually more from comics.

Comics also have lots of authors with competing ideas, so I think it's actually a good analogy. And like this game, occasionally stuff just...happens. This stuff may never be referenced again, and is is forgotten by both fans and authors.

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.

 

[Tau_Iota]

Nah, that's not it. I'm plenty attached to the characters. I think of all the characters as people; for instance, its why I'm okay with them having other relationships: if my character is allowed, seems shitty for not giving them the same courtesy.

I'd say my attitude is actually more from comics.

Comics also have lots of authors with competing ideas, so I think it's actually a good analogy. And like this game, occasionally stuff just...happens. This stuff may never be referenced again, and is is forgotten by both fans and authors.

Harley Quinn gave a bunch of kids explosive Gameboys and murdered them to get the Joker's attention. Poison Ivy used to feed random people to her giant plants and tease them as they slowly dissolved. Both of these happened in the last couple decades, and somehow both of them are heroes now.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.

Comics get retconned, are alternate universes, etc. The Harley Quinn that gave kids gameboys isn't the same one in the TV show which isn't the same one in the Injustice timeline. It's not just different authors, it's also different characters.

In CoC2, you get one iteration of each character (at most two, considering Brint/Brienne and Berry/Wynne but they're still generally the same person) so it's harder to "write off" what happened as there's no timeline shift or retcon happening. Remember when Jason Todd died? Remember when he didn't actually die and became the Red Hood? He obviously can't have simultaneously died and moved on to become Red Hood, so the Jason that died is a different character than the Red Hood Jason. Obviously the same, but different. If CoC2 had multiple reboots and rewrites I would agree with you, but as this is all one continuity you should view this as one story arc rather than the entirety of the DC universe's catalog.

Tl;dr It's not selective amnesia, it's the understanding that Golden Age Superman is not New 52 Superman. CoC2 has one story arc, and it's not even finished yet.

 

[MoneyMan181]

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It has absolutely nothing to do with that, people in thread just care about Brienne more. Kind of just assuming a lot about the people in the thread. I honestly didn't even know Brint had the same scene, figured it would just be Brienne since she's the one that beat Kiyoko in the popularity polls.

...this is a little far though. The only thing I'm implying is that...Brienne's not real. She fine/not fine with anything. Any particular fiction, or piece of fiction, only has as much power as I give it. The characters have no feelings on the matter at all.

Literally said it yourself.

5 minutes later, Brienne is fine.

That's not ignoring something you don't like, that's assuming a character's feelings on something.

Yes people can just ignore content but that's just a flimsy excuse to let stupid scenes that don't fit with the character/game in the game in cases like these. Both Atugia's scene and Brienne's give off wildly different feelings from their regular content and it isn't for the better. Like Atugia being cocky about her oral skills comes out of fucking nowhere and she just does it on somebody else without asking if I'm alright looking at that? Hell she even expresses a little bit of admonishment towards Arona when you ask her about her. She doesn't express even a little bit of sexual interest in any of the companions either. It fucking sucks seeing a character you like do something like that when it just comes out of nowhere.

And I don't even have to explain Brienne's scene.

Any long time superhero comics reader develops a fine ability to activate selective amnesia.

That's not something everybody can or might not even want to do, especially for something that is just one project. This isn't comics where each one is a separate thing and thus some leeway can be given for inconsistencies/differences. It's all amounting to one (somewhat) cohesive world that is meant to be taken in as a whole. It's also not the best analogy because this game is a work in progress. Things can be added, removed, and changed. There is no reason for things that are very odd and don't fit to stay in the game if it contributes to being a worse/more messy product overall.

I'm trying to experience this game or anything I interact with as a whole. Picking and choosing to ignore and not ignore things would make this game feel even more like a glorified scene selector than it already does, which is not something I want to happen.

 

[Daken9]

Pretty sure Jason Todd actually got brought back to life by Liam Neeson or some shit, so it is the same character

 

[Tau_Iota]

Pretty sure Jason Todd actually got brought back to life by Liam Neeson or some shit, so it is the same character

It's actually from Superboy punching reality, no joke. But you know what I mean. Jason Todd was voted to die by readers, and so he did. Then new writers came along and decided that from Superboy punching reality, he fixed some timeline errors (like Jason Todd dying).

 

[Skandranon]

Comics get retconned, are alternate universes, etc. The Harley Quinn that gave kids gameboys isn't the same one in the TV show which isn't the same one in the Injustice timeline. It's not just different authors, it's also different characters.

In CoC2, you get one iteration of each character (at most two, considering Brint/Brienne and Berry/Wynne but they're still generally the same person) so it's harder to "write off" what happened as there's no timeline shift or retcon happening. Remember when Jason Todd died? Remember when he didn't actually die and became the Red Hood? He obviously can't have simultaneously died and moved on to become Red Hood, so the Jason that died is a different character than the Red Hood Jason. Obviously the same, but different. If CoC2 had multiple reboots and rewrites I would agree with you, but as this is all one continuity you should view this as one story arc rather than the entirety of the DC universe's catalog.

Tl;dr It's not selective amnesia, it's the understanding that Golden Age Superman is not New 52 Superman. CoC2 has one story arc, and it's not even finished yet.

Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.

 

[hater45]

Nah, this isn't right either.

Harley got her solo literally an issue after what I just said happened, and was treated like a hero by people relatively soon (Honestly, almost everything from Villains month was immediately ignored - it was a terrible event. Darkseid was evil because he wasn't hugged enough as a child). Poison Ivy is still int he same continuity. Spider-man backhanded Mary-Jane across the room, and it's never been referenced again.

Comics continuity changes drastically all the time, most often when a new author takes over from the old. Supporting cast can immediately disappear and be replaced, love interests change, the heroes arc changes.

Same version, same hero, different flavor.

CoC2 has a bunch of different authors; and as has been noted by people, different authors have their own takes.

Not saying how this necessarily how it should be, but that's how it is. So it's easy ( for me) to treat it the same way.

Different writers working on a singular continuity. Since Savin is a shit project lead, he doesn't enforce a coherent narrative in the CoC 2 world so things feel disjointed. Your MC acts completely different depending on who is writing because some of these writers hate having to write for the PC and sometimes make them a third wheel or do the dumbest shit possible.

When it comes to comics they explain everything as a brand new universe so Earth XX is completely different from XY so you have free reign to do whatever. Harley in injustice is a completely different character from her TAS counterpart and the new show she is in due to different writers writing different continuity and stories. CoC 2 should not do this because it is one continuing plot line and everyone has to be consistent or your story is just dog shit.