VN Ren'Py Cosy Cafe [v0.13.1 EA] [Cosy Creator]

[CapnBlaze]

i kinda get what you're saying but i still gotta say he should still tell sarah somethin, sure she could not mean it but one a restaurant owner shouldn't let his workers be called names at work regardless since she still wasnt a thought for working there yet. Hes always given sarah slack. He also knows she hated being called slut but turned it on her with his mc rizz so that she didnt mind. also she was rude for all of two seconds at the beginning of the game. i just feel like after he started bein her "master" he should've laid off a bit a really treated her as his not just an insult pole for others to say stuff and him only saying somethin when she says it, the only time he did was with her x friends. i get its a game but even actual sub/doms arent this corny and passive. he still sorta at that point treats her like he did day one but its passed off as a "joke" or rizz talk for his character as a (pretty terrible imo) dom. lucy is great girl but i think vickie was just with the wrong friends and it shows now that shes with mc and lucy. all i can say is hes lucky hes the mc. but hey im sure he gets better with her later on.

Others have already replied and made most of the points I would. I'll only add there's a certain amount of ... let's call it poetic license that needs to be allowed. None of this could ever happen in a real restaurant. The heels alone are incredibly unrealistic. And let's not even start on the spankings in the work place or the multiple wives thing. So to try and use that as a yardstick ... I don't think that's a reasonable standard. The author so far has stayed true to the rules of the world he has created and that's enough for me.

 

[CapnBlaze]

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Also, I do feel like there was one moment where Sarah seemed truly upset, but pretty sure MC stepped in right away there. Can't remember the incident though.

I think you're referring to the King's Game scene where Vicky tried to get Sarah to lose her top.

 

[Elhemeer]

Just to throw my random two cents in this harem politics argument, I actually think Catherine is going to be one of the more essential members on the political side. As she warms up to the MC, her knowledge of both the Founding Families and the trials of struggling to get by on the day-to-day, she's going to be important in helping the MC navigate the minefield on their limited resources ... but I do think eventually Vicky will be the face of the Harem for the other families and for cafe customers, while Lucy will become the backbone of the family and the Cafe behind the scenes.

 

[CapnBlaze]

Just to throw my random two cents in this harem politics argument, I actually think Catherine is going to be one of the more essential members on the political side. As she warms up to the MC, her knowledge of both the Founding Families and the trials of struggling to get by on the day-to-day, she's going to be important in helping the MC navigate the minefield on their limited resources ... but I do think eventually Vicky will be the face of the Harem for the other families and for cafe customers, while Lucy will become the backbone of the family and the Cafe behind the scenes.

I view Lucy as the heart of the group - she maintains the loving and caring health of the family. Vicky is the troubleshooter - she is super smart (even though she doesn't care to act like it usually) and also super observant. She's also good at keeping her mouth shut about secrets - except for teasing when appropriate. Vicky and Alison will likely be the ones who deal with the Founding Family BS. I see Alison as the chief strategist and Vicky as a kind of enforcer - I think she's super cunning. I agree Catherine may be helpful and assist with the FF stuff eventually but only at the same level Sarah does, not as one of the movers and shakers.

I want to emphasize that my predictions for Vicky are for down the road - she's not there yet. She's got the foundations but still has some maturing and learning to do. I can see Alison taking her as a kind of protoge.

 

[Elhemeer]

I view Lucy as the heart of the group - she maintains the loving and caring health of the family. Vicky is the troubleshooter - she is super smart (even though she doesn't care to act like it usually) and also super observant. She's also good at keeping her mouth shut about secrets - except for teasing when appropriate. Vicky and Alison will likely be the ones who deal with the Founding Family BS. I see Alison as the chief strategist and Vicky as a kind of enforcer - I think she's super cunning. I agree Catherine may be helpful and assist with the FF stuff eventually but only at the same level Sarah does, not as one of the movers and shakers.

I want to emphasize that my predictions for Vicky are for down the road - she's not there yet. She's got the foundations but still has some maturing and learning to do. I can see Alison taking her as a kind of protoge.

I can see a time skip after establishing Vicky as Alison's second at meetings bringing the game to a point where Alison is just there to make sure Vicky doesn't screw up. Might just be the epilog though, since we have to get past all the hazards they're going to have to deal with before they get that established in the first place.

 

[CapnBlaze]

I can see a time skip after establishing Vicky as Alison's second at meetings bringing the game to a point where Alison is just there to make sure Vicky doesn't screw up. Might just be the epilog though, since we have to get past all the hazards they're going to have to deal with before they get that established in the first place.

I kind of hope there isn't a major time skip. Part of the appeal for me is watching the growth and the slice of life stuff that plays out.

 

[Elhemeer]

I kind of hope there isn't a major time skip. Part of the appeal for me is watching the growth and the slice of life stuff that plays out.

I don't disagree, I just don't see her taking front and center at FF meetings within the bounds of this game's development unless there is.

 

[mordred93]

There is a difference between courting and being a wife. Not saying more combined stuff wont happen, but when they are wives, having sex with another girl in the room may not happen. Edit: It didn't take my reply statement. https://f95zone.to/threads/cosy-cafe-v0-12-1-cosy-creator.143711/post-17683339

 

[shitass1001]

I kind of hope there isn't a major time skip. Part of the appeal for me is watching the growth and the slice of life stuff that plays out.

Sorry dawg timeskips are planned, but I trust Cosy wont eff them up
https://f95zone.to/threads/cosy-cafe-v0-12-1-cosy-creator.143711/post-15677227
The way I think they will happen is showing little vignettes from the time that gets skipped, it wont just say "three months later bitch", there will be little scenes or renders showing the characters in class, at the cafe, and probably shakin' the bed.

 

[taru]

Others have already replied and made most of the points I would. I'll only add there's a certain amount of ... let's call it poetic license that needs to be allowed. None of this could ever happen in a real restaurant. The heels alone are incredibly unrealistic. And let's not even start on the spankings in the work place or the multiple wives thing. So to try and use that as a yardstick ... I don't think that's a reasonable standard. The author so far has stayed true to the rules of the world he has created and that's enough for me.

i understand but hey we all have our own opinions right lol

 

[kekpuker]

Kinda fun to visit this thread once in a while and see what people are discussing this time.

Personally I don't see any of FF girls helping with FF stuff for MC any time soon. Simply because they still have their own factions\families and converting them to work in favor of an outsider and against their own blood will take lots of effort and time. Sarah is onboard already but she has way less knowledge about all this stuff compared to Hannah and Catherine, and we don't know how her double agent role will play out. So definitely Allison (she already was factionless and she knows shit) and I like the idea of smart and canny Vicky to help them both dealing with FF garbage.

As for people feeling uneasy about Lucy being left aside, MC could secure her future even more even right now. He already made her a dessert chief (already a position without the cafe would die) and he can make her his accountant. And as someone said, that can be documented to make it official. We know Lucy is a brainbox, top of the class, and when even MC manages with that tedious bookkeeping she could easily pick it up. In this case she will have already two major roles, it will keep her occupied, and more importantly those jobs ensure she is in comfort zone, either baking in kitchen seeing only MC and familiar girls or doing bookkeeping in the office, usually alone or with MC.

Other girls? Dunno. Kitten promoted to the cafe chef, beating her sister in culinary contest. Misaki? No idea, I already said some time ago she simply looks boring to me. Rachel? Only in case MC redirects her crusade against Brian to make his life miserable and we simply don't know much about her as a person yet (aside of posts in this thread).

 

[danb35]

Misaki? No idea, I already said some time ago she simply look boring to me.

Yep. Don't dislike her, but she doesn't really do anything for me.

Rachel? Only in case MC redirects her crusade against Brian

That's an interesting thought, and might actually make her tolerable.

 

[torpedogoat]

Misaki? No idea, I already said some time ago she simply look boring to me.

Don't forget that Misaki really wanted to work in a nursery school. Her parents redirected her to a proper school, which is why she is so miserable. Once the harem starts casting its young, Misaki is going to be in her element and is likely to become its center, from the point of view of the copious(?) offspring. (PS: Someone has to keep the kids entertained while everyone else is having an orgy!)

Rachel? Only in case MC redirects her crusade against Brian to make his life miserable and we simply don't know much about her as a person yet (aside of posts in this thread).

I think Rachel has a lot of potential. Once she is cured of her current obsession, her real talents and interests can flourish. I think she could develop in practically any direction. But I like your idea of sicking her on Brian first. That would make a lot of narrative sense.

 

[eightypercent]

Hi, I have chosen the most popular KINETIC NOVEL on this site to ask a question to the community.

I mean no disrespect to the author(s).

I'm on the bipolar spectrum, and I sometimes ask questions... a lot.

So why call this type of work "kinetic"? For me, it's an obvious MISNOMER. The word "kinetic" is greek in origin meaning (hopefully I'm not wrong) dynamic, moving (parts) etc. For a visual novel without choices, which is my understanding of the accepted meaning of the term "kinetic novel", if it's me reading sense into the description, i would imagine a "kinetic" novel to be one that required input and responded appropriately. But it's not, is it? It's more like a static (the opposite of kinetic) or passive work. Mmmm?

Don't (always) accept what others tell you. Think for yourself. Labels are accepted meanings conjured by imperfect humans. Dream a little!

Good luck with you game, devs

[sorry, this has been troubling me for a while]

 

[torpedogoat]

Hi, I have chosen the most popular KINETIC NOVEL on this site to ask a question to the community.

I mean no disrespect to the author(s).

I'm on the bipolar spectrum, and I sometimes ask questions... a lot.

So why call this type of work "kinetic"? For me, it's an obvious MISNOMER. The word "kinetic" is greek in origin meaning (hopefully I'm not wrong) dynamic, moving (parts) etc. For a visual novel without choices, which is my understanding of the accepted meaning of the term "kinetic novel", if it's me reading sense into the description, i would imagine a "kinetic" novel to be one that required input and responded appropriately. But it's not, is it? It's more like a static (the opposite of kinetic) or passive work. Mmmm?

Don't (always) accept what others tell you. Think for yourself. Labels are accepted meanings conjured by imperfect humans. Dream a little!

Good luck with you game, devs

I am not sure, but my guess is that kinetic visual novels came before modern visual novels with choices. I have encountered similar naming issues with card games. Card games keep getting varied. A popular new variant is often named by the one new element that distinguishes it from the variant it is based on. Although sometimes a variant becomes so popular that it simply inherits the name of the variant it's based on, because that is rarely ever played without the new elements any more.

Let's apply this to kinetic visual novels:

• A novel is (originally and still typically) a book that tells a new (novel) story rather than a traditional one already told by our ancestors.
• A visual novel or graphic novel is (originally) a novel that is presented with images (visual, graphic) in a form similar to a comic book, though without speech bubbles and derived from full length novels rather than from short weekly comic strips.
• A kinetic visual novel was originally any visual novel that is not printed and not published as a PDF file, but is published as a computer program that presents one page after another and even contains short animations, i.e. moving (kinetic) pictures.

Later on, it became customary to add branching to visual novels. At that point, people had stopped referring to kinetic visual novels as such, and started to just call them visual novels (like the printed ones). Visual novels with branching are now the standard. The old-fashioned term "kinetic visual novel" became reserved for the old-fashioned type of visual novels that do not have branching despite being implemented in computer programs. This is how, in the context of visual novels, the meaning of "kinetic" shifted from "with movement" to "without branching". The path was via "with movement as the last innovation, without the newer innovation of branching".

PS: As others pointed out below, a company called Visual Arts (or its subsidiary called Key) has a trademark called Kinetic Novels. But I don't think this necessarily contradicts my explanation above. Maybe Visual Arts got away with registering a generic term that was already in use as a trademark? Even if they invented use of the term "kinetic" in the context of visual novels, my explanation still clarifies what they must have thought when coming up with the term.

 

[Cosy Creator]

I always associate it more with kinetic energy, rather than the word kinetic more broadly. In a traditional visual novel the line from start to finish is a convoluted web of branching choices and diverging and converging paths, but in a kinetic novel it's a straight line all the way and there's nothing you can do to divert it, like a train on tracks (lots of kinetic energy there).

 

[jadepaladin]

I thought it was a marketing stunt KEY started back in the day to make their VNs stand out. Kinda like how most tissue paper is called Kleenex these days thanks to the marketing KC pulled off back in the day.

 

[ImperialD]

hey Cosy Creator

whose arm is who's ?
if the yellow up arrow is hannah's ?
then who's is the down arrow ....

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[Meiri]

hey Cosy Creator

whose arm is who's ?
if the yellow up arrow is hannah's ?
then who's is the down arrow ....

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It's Vicky doing the same pose as Sarah, no?

 

[Elduriel]

hey Cosy Creator

whose arm is who's ?
if the yellow up arrow is hannah's ?
then who's is the down arrow ....

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that's Vicky's left arm, she is resting it on her hip, it's just a bit hard to see with the black shoulders kinda blending together