Which is kind of weird, because (as MC himself points out when the question comes up) they all have veto power anyway. MC's a simp for agreeing to a limit of 10, but not for giving them all a veto?
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Skep-tiker
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Because this should be the default rather then having to add 'in my opinion" mandatorily.
Furthermore i said borderline... might be mistranslated? The word i mean is "grenzwertig" which means in the grey area...
Do people just want meek already submissive girls in an SM game? Because I'm sorry that's boring as fuck. If a maledom game refrains from having any Taming the Shrew tropes and just sticks to safe and demure characters, I don't want it.
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Sure. If she had any qualities. As is she is imo just dead weight and not worth the effort.
You could say the same about Sarah and Catherine before actually getting to know them. You make it sound like she's taking up half of the updates when her scenes currently are like barely a hundred lines per update.
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At least Catherine is undoubly hot and Sarah is also a FF daughter. As of now, what exactly provides Rachel other then outright hostility (more then Sarah an Catherine combined.. and she achieves this as you said in barely hundred lines per update.)
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I normally try to avoid talking about myself and real world experiences too much, but I will say about Sarah: while her personality is completely different, Sarah's body shape/size and insecurities are inspired by a girl I grew up with and was very close to at the same age as the characters. Actually, the real girl was a couple of inches shorter even than Sarah at 18, so she's definitely not supposed to be loli bait. Unfortunately in the real world her insecurities were so deeply rooted that nothing I ever said made much difference, and she got completely obsessed over it to the point of spending months fantasising about surgeries to try and (in her mind) improve herself, which I found totally heart-breaking at the time. Anyway, that's something that always really stuck with me, and that was the inspiration for that part of Sarah's character - though the tsundere bit is entirely anime based.
Just thought I should add that, as the discussion around this kind of thing always seems to have a bit of an element of "real adult women are all 5'3"+ with mid+ sized breasts, therefore anything else is a loli" - though I'm not accusing anyone of saying that in this particular discussion.
Just thought I should add that, as the discussion around this kind of thing always seems to have a bit of an element of "real adult women are all 5'3"+ with mid+ sized breasts, therefore anything else is a loli" - though I'm not accusing anyone of saying that in this particular discussion.
Ferel
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Did you even paly the game? Because Rachel isn't realy "the Shrew", that would be Sarah(in my opinion). And the taming part for Rachel is mostly done already. People just don't want to fuck her and add to the harem.
According the ChatGPT (which is of course the source of all truth), the average height of an American woman is 5'3.5". Assuming a normal distribution, that would mean half are shorter than that. So, yes, 5'0" is short, but not ridiculously so.
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Sarah demonstrated competence (tailoring) literally in a couple of days, after we met her.
Catherine demonstrated iron will and determination the moment she decided to attach herself to us.
Rachel has demonstrated being an incompetent idiot. Like, sorry, but she is shit at manipulating, shit at investigating, shit at learning, honestly even shit as a feminazi. It's my biggest problem with her - ok, we rehabilitated her. Now what? The group has to drag her sorry incompetent ass everywhere? What's the point, she is not good at anything, she brings nothing to the table.
No... Rachel is infinitely closer to the Shrew than Sarah lol. The Shrew from Shakespeare's play was outright hostile to her suitors and regularly insulted them, she regularly defied social expectations of obedience for her gender and her "taming" was infinitely more cruel than the playful games the mc plays with Sarah/Catherine as Petruchio deprives her of food, sleep and clothing.
Ferel
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Well, if you adjust the intensity level of the trope to the framework of the artwork, like every other author who used it did. I would say that Sarah is Shrew enough within the scope of this cosy story. And Rachel dosen't really fit at all. Because the MC doesn't want anything to do with her at this point, and she is broken already. Doesn't really match with the Petruchio.
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For me, it´s not about if i trust Cosy or not, for me it´s just that Rachel is a HIGHLY controversial character and sadly, you may laugh if you want, the way she´s written in this case is just way too perfect to the point that it actually triggers my PTSD.
If you EVER had to deal with a Feminazi, got accused of SA just because she wanted to accuse you of something and had to deal with those false accusations for years, you might understand why some ppl might want to avoid her character like she´s got the plague. So yeah, trust has nothing to do with it, if you just want to erase those people out of your life
Belive it or not, sometimes we actually have a choice to NOT forgive somebody. Doesn´t matter what reason or sob story she presents us with. The damage has already been done and in this case it´s already way too late for any sort of redemption. At least for me. I´d rather put my hands and dick in a meat grinder before i´m ever willing to touch that disgusting piece of human trash.
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For me, it´s not about if i trust Cosy or not, for me it´s just that Rachel is a HIGHLY controversial character and sadly, you may laugh if you want, the way she´s written in this case is just way too perfect to the point that it actually triggers my PTSD.
If you EVER had to deal with a Feminazi, got accused of SA just because she wanted to accuse you of something and had to deal with those false accusations for years, you might understand why some ppl might want to avoid her character like she´s got the plague. So yeah, trust has nothing to do with it, if you just want to erase those people out of your life
Belive it or not, sometimes we actually have a choice to NOT forgive somebody. Doesn´t matter what reason or sob story she presents us with. The damage has already been done and in this case it´s already way too late for any sort of redemption. At least for me. I´d rather put my hands and dick in a meat grinder before i´m ever willing to touch that disgusting piece of human trash.
Don't hear me wrong... I would happily see Rachel disapear from the story and be replaced by Elizabeth or Annabelle as a Harem member. My comment wasn't to defend her or her actions, only to point out the narrative that Cozy seems to be creating. Cozy has a lot of work to make her redeemable and redemption is the tone of the story.. Remember the MC has a weakness for hot girls who need his help. IRL forgiveness is a choice and a gift offered that frees us more than it does the one who wronged us. Please don't assume what I have or haven't experienced in my life. I can see how Rachel is written and how her character is reflected IRL in peoples experiences. From what i've heard and seen, Cozy's plan is to dig Rachel out of the hole she has created for herself. I don't know if its possible with how hated her character qualities are by us (myself included), but its not my story to tell. I think Cozy has done a great job of crafting the narrative so far.
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The thing with the main girls in the bios is that I am not convinced all of them will officially join the harem.
At most, I see her helping around the cafe and being friendlier to the girls after redeeming herself maybe she will have sex scenes, but I just don't see her officially joining the harem, it's just hard to imagine even with a redeemed, better version of herself.
Ferel
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I do not like her, but I think, we are exaggerating it at this point. I replayed the whole game with the last update. And looking back, from a protagonist's point of view, she's more annoying than harmful. Plus, she is so obviously fake, that nobody really takes her seriously. She's almost comedically bad as an antagonist.
Can't say I'm 100% sure, but she was introduced as a future harem member very early on, as far as I remember.
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At the bare minimum, Vicky has openly asked the MC to consider fucking her because she thinks it would be really funny. I don't disagree.
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Hey dev, I apologize for trash talking Sarah and by no means did I mean to insult you in anyway, you’re doing amazing things with this game and like one member said that if she was a little more curvy in certain places I guess it would be easier to accept her, I just get certain vibes when I’m playing a game and the character is 18 and highly underdeveloped, but also I understand where you are coming from with the girl you grew up with, it’s a double edge sword, but like I said in my post a page back, Lucy, Victoria( man oh man I love her), Hannah and Alison, these are some of the best looking and sexy characters, and the story plot is amazing, thank you again for a wonderful game
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These discussions about women needing to have large breasts or be a certain height are ridiculous. My wife is 5'2'', exactly the average in GuangDong and she has C cups and is in her mid 30s... I have STILL had westerners try to tell me that she looks 12. That is creepy. Don't be creepy.