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Anon42 Question: given this game's current development, is it possible to make the H functionality an unlockable as the story progresses? I do kind of find it jarring storywise that Alicia can technically have "fun" with slimes and tentacles immediately after finding the camp, yet be against the whole "have H with anything" idea during the initial parts of the main story. Plus the idea to do so doesn't come up until the player starts exploring the forest area, which can technically be avoided since the story drives the player to the catacombs area before the forest area (as of v0.37).

The idea is centered around the planet's lustful effects; the longer Alicia remains on the planet, the more "open" she becomes to such ideas. Since sex is also a healing mechanic (except for hard mode), it would also make sense to introduce the player to that possibility. It could lead to advancing levels of perverse progression, provided it doesn't conflict with your current vision for the game thus far.
 
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DerWahrePeter

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Gotta say, for the intro to mention that men are 'going extinct' it's pretty weird that the first 3 people you hear about on the planet are men. One would think that men wouldn't risk so much, now that the virus is spreading.

Also: "The atmosphere increases the libido" "You are shitting me right now, aren't you."... 2 minutes later - Press H to masturbate, masturbate next to enemies for H-scenes! That could've been paced out better in my opinion.
 
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Gotta say, for the intro to mention that men are 'going extinct' it's pretty weird that the first 3 people you hear about on the planet are men. One would think that men wouldn't risk so much, now that the virus is spreading.

Also: "The atmosphere increases the libido" "You are shitting me right now, aren't you."... 2 minutes later - Press H to masturbate, masturbate next to enemies for H-scenes! That could've been paced out better in my opinion.
Lol, that's kinda what I meant. It could be interesting if it was a game mechanic you can unlock/upgrade as you continue exploring the planet.
 

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If i may ask ~? how can i get the good End ~?
I assume you mean the CGs? There aren't "ends" of any kind, since the game continues after a CG sequence, but the CGs are unlocked by beating the first boss; shortly after that, you get an upgrade for your blaster, and after that, defeating an enemy for the first time will unlock their CG back at camp, which you can watch by talking to Birch.

I didn't get the problem. Why can't boss work just like normal enemys, the sprite scene being activate on the doors, maybe in an alternative room, with entrace in up-side of the room corresponding to that world, and the CG scene has been activated when we speak to Birch? I guess it's already like this way in the gallery.
Maybe you can even make the boss being restrain in some fun way on their alternative rooms, and not loose like normal enemys. The worm could be like in a chain belt, and the tar could be in a pool or something like this, with a new sprite that shows they're dangeruos and they're arrested; and the sprite scene happens when Alice touch they, maybe with a little animation of they being released.
The problem is that, to me, it feels superfluous. The sprite scenes have their own context, which is that you can have sex with the enemies in the middle of gameplay, and get healed from them, while the CGs are more in-depth sequences you access back at camp when you're not out exploring. Sure, more porn content is always nice, but the two "types" of porn CPE has have those different contexts because it makes them more interesting. Having two completely separate scenes with completely different styles (CGs vs sprite animations) that are both accessed in the exact same way (by defeating a boss then going back to camp) feels extremely superfluous to me as a designer, so I want a more interesting/elegant way of doing it.

Anon42 Question: given this game's current development, is it possible to make the H functionality an unlockable as the story progresses? I do kind of find it jarring storywise that Alicia can technically have "fun" with slimes and tentacles immediately after finding the camp, yet be against the whole "have H with anything" idea during the initial parts of the main story. Plus the idea to do so doesn't come up until the player starts exploring the forest area, which can technically be avoided since the story drives the player to the catacombs area before the forest area (as of v0.37).

The idea is centered around the planet's lustful effects; the longer Alicia remains on the planet, the more "open" she becomes to such ideas. Since sex is also a healing mechanic (except for hard mode), it would also make sense to introduce the player to that possibility. It could lead to advancing levels of perverse progression, provided it doesn't conflict with your current vision for the game thus far.
It's absolutely possible, but there's a lot of reasons not to do it, first and foremost being that.. well, it's a porn game. I'm spending every ounce of effort I can on making CPE a good GAME, but I'd be dense to not realize that some people have come for the porn, and I'm not going to lock it off completely for the first hour or two of the game.

As far as what you said about the Deep Soil being the first time sex is brought up as an idea; that conversation takes place when Alicia's libido gets too high and she starts losing control of her desires, so that's when Rodriguez suggests the option of satisfying herself rather than fighting it. It's not like that's the first time having sex with the natives is brought up at all - Birch does that right after the first boss fight, when you get the blaster upgrade from him - but it's specifically in the context of Alicia's desires growing out of control and that being an option to tame them. Besides, isn't the way the game's laid out right now exactly what you're asking me to do? The CGs, libido, and BE mechanics being introduced as you progress into the game rather than showing up immediately sounds like what you're wanting here, expanding the game's sexual mechanics the farther you get.

I'd also like to point out that Alicia isn't explicitly against having sex unless the player avoids having it. The game has numerous lines of dialogue that change when you have sex often; one example of this is when Birch propositions Alicia about "research", if you've had a certain amount of sex by that point, she'll get a little embarassed and says she'll consider it, rather than immediately shooting him down. That's also the first time that sex is brought up after the initial conversation between Rodriguez and Alicia, and that first conversation takes place right after she was just attacked, then told everything on the planet is horny. Even if she's the type of girl to want to fuck a slime, she's trying to figure out what's going on first and foremost. Having her react to that news by outwardly being like "Oh, sweet, I'm gonna go bone everything now" right in front of a person she just met would be out of character for her, but once she's got some time alone with the creatures, that's when she gets curious, especially since she'll be starting to feel the effects of the atmosphere by that point. I mostly leave it up to the player how slutty Alicia is going to be though, which is why the dialogue changes if you're having sex or not.

Gotta say, for the intro to mention that men are 'going extinct' it's pretty weird that the first 3 people you hear about on the planet are men. One would think that men wouldn't risk so much, now that the virus is spreading.

Also: "The atmosphere increases the libido" "You are shitting me right now, aren't you."... 2 minutes later - Press H to masturbate, masturbate next to enemies for H-scenes! That could've been paced out better in my opinion.
Men going extinct also means the extinction of women, because humans would have no way to reproduce. It's not like women could just go on living without any issues. That's why the final line of Alicia's opening monologue is "humanity had a good run", not "males had a good run".

Also, Alicia responding "You're joking, right?" to what Rodriguez tells her doesn't mean "I'm a prude and that's stupid, who would ever have sex with aliens, not me". Note the part where she says "I'm being pranked right now, that's the only explanation"; she doesn't believe him at first, but she's on the planet too, experiencing the effects of the atmosphere first-hand. I want players to be able to initiate H-scenes early on if they so choose, and I incorporate that into the story by changing up dialogue as I mentioned in my response to ryu, but I also feel like it'd be a bit silly to include an explicit line of dialogue before she has sex for the first time making her say "Wow, yeah, he wasn't kidding about the atmosphere, I'm real horny now", rather than letting players figure out that implication for themselves.
 

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The problem is that, to me, it feels superfluous. The sprite scenes have their own context, which is that you can have sex with the enemies in the middle of gameplay, and get healed from them, while the CGs are more in-depth sequences you access back at camp when you're not out exploring. Sure, more porn content is always nice, but the two "types" of porn CPE has have those different contexts because it makes them more interesting. Having two completely separate scenes with completely different styles (CGs vs sprite animations) that are both accessed in the exact same way (by defeating a boss then going back to camp) feels extremely superfluous to me as a designer, so I want a more interesting/elegant way of doing it.
Oh, I get it. You want a way that the boss sprite scene happen in middle of gameplay, but not in middle of battle. In other words, it have to happen before or after the battle. Before the battle sounds stupid. Like, why would Alicia battle a boss after fucking it? It could be a way to skip the battle, or to make it easer. Like make the boss give less damage or something like this. But really dont sounds like a good idea.
So, it have to be after the battle. I think in a second phase of battle, much shorter, where the boss enter in a rage mode and Alicia can choose to calm it down with sex or just give it the mercy shoot. But it doesn't really fits on the lore, with the mechanic of last shot teleport and imprision the enemys, and I dont see Alicia trying to calm someone down with sex. Maybe the rage mode could involve some pherormones? But a dying boss wouldn't cast pherormones, I think.
Other option, more obvious, it's to trigger the scene with the boss stunned after the battle. But I belive it would still be incomplete with just trigger the scene, without a reason. I think a good reason to trigger the scene would be an optional iten. Not a collectable, like the different types of shots, but something really optional, like a consumable item. I mean, everybody keep the consumible iten until the right situation, that never really comes, and never use it. But it's nice to have it on inventory, it's optional, but it's a good reason to have sex with the boss, and a different reason than the Birch's resarch. The biggest problem, besides that just trigger a scene in a stunned boss it's just boring, it's maybe the current sprite scenes wouldn't fit very well. It would have to be more like a ... breeding scene? I dont know if thats the right word, but like, a scene to collect some monster's fluids. It's a commun kink in hentai games.

I dont think any of these is really a solution, but I wanted to try to help you someway, since I really cant help with money. Maybe some of these ways can help you to really find some solution, although I think you already though in all of it. Don't know, I will try to think in something that's really a good suggestion. But anyway, I personally think it's worse the bosses dont have a CG scene is worse than have both scenes in the same context. And I preffer CG scenes then sprites scenes. But I understand your point now. It's really hard.
 
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Men going extinct also means the extinction of women, because humans would have no way to reproduce. It's not like women could just go on living without any issues. That's why the final line of Alicia's opening monologue is "humanity had a good run", not "males had a good run".
In my personal opinion, I just think that it is a missed opportunity to not have a predominately female cast in a setting that is already a few generations down the line after the virus hit and then to constantly play off of the idea that all those girls never really seen, let alone had sex with a real guy.

And here's the story backdrop I'd give:
Based on our real world, it is not unreasonable to assume that humanity in your story, in true human fashion, slept on the issue that comes with the virus, until the consequences are unavoidable and right in their faces. Given that, I'd set the actual story, as previously mentioned, a few generations down the line to when the virus first spread. Less and less males are born (not no males) and those are treated as the most valuable thing ever. They are constantly brought to ejaculate and the sperm gets frozen in sperm-banks. The males might 'die out', but a single load could be enough to seed an entire generation of women to go hunt for a cure. And that's exactly what I'd use: The few males (still) alive will be constantly harvested for sperm, pregnancies are precisely administered and no sperm cell is wasted. Humanity (or Womanity) has stored enough sperm to keep the species going for many generations, but of course, the stockpiles will deteriorate and eventually run out. And as such, Womanity takes to the stars again to find a cure.

Also, as a side note, when the scientist asks Alicia if she is ovulating to test if she can get pregnant, both he and her should, realistically, if the overall situation is as dire as hinted at in the prologue, immediately jump on the chance of getting Alicia pregnant. Because if she does get pregnant, and the child is human and sane, then the continued existence of humanity would be saved, even if males specifically might not be.
 
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In my personal opinion, I just think that it is a missed opportunity to not have a predominately female cast in a setting that is already a few generations down the line after the virus hit and then to constantly play off of the idea that all those girls never really seen, let alone had sex with a real guy.

And here's the story backdrop I'd give:
Based on our real world, it is not unreasonable to assume that humanity in your story, in true human fashion, slept on the issue that comes with the virus, until the consequences are unavoidable and right in their faces. Given that, I'd set the actual story, as previously mentioned, a few generations down the line to when the virus first spread. Less and less males are born (not no males) and those are treated as the most valuable thing ever. They are constantly brought to ejaculate and the sperm gets frozen in sperm-banks. The males might 'die out', but a single load could be enough to seed an entire generation of women to go hunt for a cure. And that's exactly what I'd use: The few males (still) alive will be constantly harvested for sperm, pregnancies are precisely administered and no sperm cell is wasted. Humanity (or Womanity) has stored enough sperm to keep the species going for many generations, but of course, the stockpiles will deteriorate and eventually run out. And as such, Womanity takes to the stars again to find a cure.

Also, as a side note, when the scientist asks Alicia if she is ovulating to test if she can get pregnant, both he and her should, realistically, if the overall situation is as dire as hinted at in the prologue, immediately jump on the chance of getting Alicia pregnant. Because if she does get pregnant, and the child is human and sane, then the continued existence of humanity would be saved, even if males specifically might not be.
I appreciate the suggestions man, but I have to ask you to take a few steps back here. Crisis Point doesn't take place "already a few generations down the line after the virus hits", it takes place within ~10-20 years or so. I don't have an exact timeline, but it's not an exceptionally long time, and the majority of men are still alive and well. CPE's plot isn't intended to be "imminent, apocalyptic extinction" or anything like that, it's meant to be more of a long-term threat facing humanity with eventual, guaranteed extinction if they don't figure things out. Regarding the whole "Alicia getting pregnant" thing - pregnancy isn't an issue in the game's universe, it's that children are all being born female. Getting pregnant in CPE's universe is no more difficult than in real life, the virus just makes the pregnancy turn out that specific way.

You don't have to like the story I'm writing, that's completely subjective and I respect that it won't suit everyone's tastes (especially since it's a porn game and the story can either add or take a lot away from how enjoyable the sex scenes are), but to me it feels like you're not so much critiquing my work for genuine flaws, and rather asking for the game to be completely different from what it is. It sounds like you have story ideas of your own, and that's great! Even if they're inspired by what you wish CPE was, I urge you to get creative and make something with them. More H-games, or even just stories, is a benefit to all of us. That being said, I'm just going to tell you outright, in no uncertain terms, that I am not going to change the story of Crisis Point in the way that you're asking. It's not in line with my vision for the game at all, and not the direction I want the game to go.
 

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I appreciate the suggestions man, but I have to ask you to take a few steps back here.
I'm just rambling, wasn't meant to discredit your story.

Regarding the whole "Alicia getting pregnant" thing - pregnancy isn't an issue in the game's universe, it's that children are all being born female. Getting pregnant in CPE's universe is no more difficult than in real life, the virus just makes the pregnancy turn out that specific way.
My point was, which you already said above, that humanity as a whole faces extinction, because without men, women won't have children. The premise of getting pregnant by those dickgirl then is that, even if curing the virus fails, even if no new men are born, humanity as a whole won't be lost. I just think that it's an oversight on your part in that sense.
 

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My point was, which you already said above, that humanity as a whole faces extinction, because without men, women won't have children. The premise of getting pregnant by those dickgirl then is that, even if curing the virus fails, even if no new men are born, humanity as a whole won't be lost. I just think that it's an oversight on your part in that sense.
I get what you're saying, and that's part of why Birch brought it up (the other part being sheer scientific curiosity). It's why after Alicia shuts him down, he says he'll find another subject for further testing. It doesn't need to be Alicia, specifically, that tests if women can get pregnant from futas, and Alicia is the one in the field finding people and exploring the planet further, so it would be pretty problematic if she were to become incapacitated
 

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Anon, I want to say, I love this game! I'm always on the lookout for a good metroidvania type game, love the gameplay, the VA, the art. Just am all around impressed, thank you for this!

I do have one question, that I (admittedly only skimmed to find) don't think was asked. The "gallery" rooms, will there be an option for the BE sprite sequences, and the doubles?
 
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I really like the 2d sprites. Very smooth and well animated. I also like metroidvania's, it's always fun figuring out where to go, discovering new areas, hidden rooms. Good stuff indeed.
 
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Ok, I found the answer to one of my questions (for those not in the know): The doubles (which are currently only the Slime and Corrupted Sentry aka Redhead with a Shield) are available, just have to press up while in the sprite scene with them in the rooms.
 

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So will there be any birthing or oviposition?
We do have oviposition in the Edovex CG. I don't expect to have birthing or oviposition in any other places though, sorry.

Ok, I found the answer to one of my questions (for those not in the know): The doubles (which are currently only the Slime and Corrupted Sentry aka Redhead with a Shield) are available, just have to press up while in the sprite scene with them in the rooms.
The BE should be available too, I believe it shares the same input as melee/dashing? I should probably add in a text prompt or something while you're in the gallery so it's more obvious
 

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We do have oviposition in the Edovex CG. I don't expect to have birthing or oviposition in any other places though, sorry.



The BE should be available too, I believe it shares the same input as melee/dashing? I should probably add in a text prompt or something while you're in the gallery so it's more obvious
a pitty, that would be nice if u add easter to "Parasite in city". Btw, thx for your work. +1 weak patron :D
 

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Oh, one small thing I did notice while playing is that the on-screen button prompts/tutorials are all for Keyboard controls, despite the fact that I was playing with a controller.

Not really a big issue since the controls aren't hard to learn and are easy to get used to, just thought I'd point that out as a potential QoL improvement for future builds (if it hasn't been addressed already), either simply including a controller button symbol or letters (Xbox by default, I guess) in addition to the keyboard prompt, or by having it recognize which input is being used and display the correct button symbol contextually (though that might be unnecessarily complicated).
 

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Oh, one small thing I did notice while playing is that the on-screen button prompts/tutorials are all for Keyboard controls, despite the fact that I was playing with a controller.

Not really a big issue since the controls aren't hard to learn and are easy to get used to, just thought I'd point that out as a potential QoL improvement for future builds (if it hasn't been addressed already), either simply including a controller button symbol or letters (Xbox by default, I guess) in addition to the keyboard prompt, or by having it recognize which input is being used and display the correct button symbol contextually (though that might be unnecessarily complicated).
There's a setting in the menu that lets you change what prompts the game gives between keyboard/gamepad, and then a separate setting to switch between Xbox/PS4 prompts. I intentionally decided not to add an automatic prompt switch because of the sheer amount of times I've played a game where that sort of system causes me tons of problems, since I always have a keyboard and gamepad plugged in
 
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