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I've been reading a little of the Thread to soak up the story and I wanted to know why they say that the MC's sister is bad, according to what she saw, all the girls in it are raped until they lose their minds, so what happened to the sister?
I saw the endings (although I didn't play the whole game, my heart couldn't stand Hero Party Must Fall and this one seemed to be going in the same direction) endings 5 and 6 were great, although as several have said, I think 4 is almost the best, the only bad thing about that ending is not killing NTR guy and the pink-haired bitch, but I suppose that was the price to pay to be able to be at peace with the loli dragon, hopefully in that ending the MC founds a country for all the "losers" that according to the goddess deserve to suffer, it is very reminiscent of the goddess from HPMF, both are sadistic bitches.
It really bothers me that the pelirosa recriminates to end humanity peacefully, because such a corrupt world doesn't deserve to be saved, but well, you can't blame her for much having such a screwed up brain, Stockholm syndrome taken to the extreme I guess.
I saw the endings (although I didn't play the whole game, my heart couldn't stand Hero Party Must Fall and this one seemed to be going in the same direction) endings 5 and 6 were great, although as several have said, I think 4 is almost the best, the only bad thing about that ending is not killing NTR guy and the pink-haired bitch, but I suppose that was the price to pay to be able to be at peace with the loli dragon, hopefully in that ending the MC founds a country for all the "losers" that according to the goddess deserve to suffer, it is very reminiscent of the goddess from HPMF, both are sadistic bitches.
It really bothers me that the pelirosa recriminates to end humanity peacefully, because such a corrupt world doesn't deserve to be saved, but well, you can't blame her for much having such a screwed up brain, Stockholm syndrome taken to the extreme I guess.
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Only 2 girls develop stockholm syndrome and starts loving their oppressor, the sister and the pink hair.
The sister falls first and thanks to her arts she contributed IMMENSIVELY to the fall of the pink hair and also further contributed to MC fall into misery.
If it wasn't for the sis alchemy the pink girl would have never fallen
The way she treats Imos for instance. She does not seem to think if her actions would hurt him. Tell what you want, but Imos would sooner die than letting Thrash touch her.
But can Lotia respect that desire? Or at least seek something to kill Thrash? Like the poison?
Nah.
She was all HAPPY about kicking Imos out. He was like a toy and the toy was worthless. So she throws it out. If she left him before, she would be bad. If Imos did bad stuff, then no bad siding with Thrash. She can finally 'get rid from that worthless man to get with someone truly worthy'. It is not overt like this, but her actions are this way.
TBH I came to this conclusion because I am writing a fic and...well, she will be forced to face what she is deep down and think about what she will do with her life.
...sadly, it means all sorts of bad stuff for Imos. So Imos should take 'RUN TO THE HILLS! RUN TO THE MOUNTAINS' if he ever sees Lotia again. Hell. He would be SAFER with Thrash.
Thrash is consistent at least. When Imos defeats him? "Well, you won. To the winner the spoils."
He EVEN seems to respect him somewhat at tht point.
Lotia? Hell. Thrash, I think, looking back into perspective if he needed to say something to Imos?
"...gods...if I knew how much of an hypocritical bitch she was..."
"...didn't you made her your woman?"
"I mean. I thought she would be like me eventually. If she would be an hypocrite like that...ehhhhh...dunno. I think I would bind her down, tell Imos and ask him if he really wants this. And maybe ask him to fuck her ass if he says no. He deserves that."
*Thrash shivers stating 'gods that guy was strong...'*
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Thing is. Lotia is not worth it, and I mean for romance or friendship. For a good fuck? Yes.
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I sorta read the big one two punch of this long discussion and honestly, i disagree completely with these opinions about Lotia.
All this talk about she was evil from the start, she never loved Imos bla bla bla is first of all rubbish and secondly it goes against the writer's will and purpose.
I mean to me is clear that she was a pure and loving girl that was a victim of countless schemes and deceits and that she got "corrupted" by them and by lust.
I mean in all this over-analyzing her character are just gonna forget and skip over the fact that she was drugged over and over by those aphrosidiatcs potions of Tori?
I mean that is the case of I dare say close to 100% of all NTR plots out there, the FeMC succumbing, changing and being corrupted because of lust and Lotia was not exception of that.
As for some other points well
• so the first time Thrash
tried the drug strategy she flew into a rage and fought him without any regards to her safety and her life, she might even been killed if the Red guy didn't save her so was that "fake"?
• by chapter 9-10 parting ways with Imos was the best course of action and i truly don't find those reasons "weak"
• well ... Imos just killed the father of her 2 babies ... and Imos became a second Maou so even if we disregard her wanting revenge for Thrash, it was still her "duty" to kill Imos
• last but not least the dragons plot!! yeah everybody were just puppets and all the misery that Imos went through were just a convoluted evil plot by those dragons ...
Hmm I hear your points but there’s actually a problem and that is the last confrontation with her if you go down the route by taking the reflections that forces her to have a conversation with him because she can’t just kill him.
The argument that she was a pure hearted victim is rather impossible to be valid simply because of the words she speaks and how she acts. In this ending.
When she is beaten and has to face Imos verbally.
Her reaction is to just. Deflect all blame back onto him. Make him out ot be the bad guy, basically trying to judge and condem him as if he's a monster for what he's done.
ALl the while completely excusing and ignoring all the stuff Thrash and the other Draconids have done to innocent people. She even brings up and acknowledges Tori and Aina's suffering and asks if he did this for them.
Which means she's admitting she was fully aware of it espically Aina and was choosing to do nothing about it/excuse it.
And tries to throw the family's of the draconids he's killed back at him to condem him, while blatantly ingoring all the familys the draconids themselves tore apart or hurt
I feel the writers wanted us to home in on a couple more points because of how her dialogue was worded.
"He was finally being nice to me"
"You just HAD to kill him"
This points to many things:
She let it slip that it didnt matter how bad Thrash really was nor the terrible things he did even to his own town.
She was finally benefitting from his terrible actions and could turn a blind eye to the people he tormented during the war, that Thrash admits to allowing, and even afterwards.
"What made you become a demon lord? Using a power that can only hurt people"
She conveniently ignores the suffering her own kind subjected onto the weak and powerless by using their power to do so, even after seeing what they were doing to Aina, she glosses over it despite knowing, through mentioning, that Aina and Tori needed help from the very people shes defending.
Furthermore She uses a non sequitur to avoid the point that Thrash and those like him were spreading pain, despair and fear to anyone below her position as Thrashs girlfriend.
To justify her actions she needed Imos to be the villian when he's clearly not.
She has clearly by this point completely disconnected herself from reality and any connection she claimed to have had with any of her "friends".
"You just vanished for a year, i was scared. I didnt say thrash was in the right"
Effectively glossing over her part in driving him off and not denying her affection for Thrash effectively admitting she didnt really love Imos nor care about the physical and psychological abuse he, and by extension aina, suffered. Her words accuse and attempt to blame him for abandoning her despite her helping in destroying him. Her words also allude that she just expected him to stay and keep eating the raw end of the deal simply for her sake and so she had him around 'just in case'. But had no intetnion to protect or help him.
Yet even after Thrashes death she defends Thrash via a possiblility rather than a proven reality thus showing faith in Thrash and not Imos despite applying Imos good parts to Thrash as a way to explain away her attraction to a terrible person.
By making him seem less terrible, she would not be terrible for liking him.
"I put up with his abuse"
A very arguable scenario considering if we look at everything she did... she put herself in that scenario all too willingly. Even were we to count the things Thrash did what she "suffered" pales heavily in comparison to what her friends went through. We can say she was abused to some extent, particularly in a scenario she created, but she loops into "The abused are abusing their position as the abused" scenario to garner pity and shirk accountability.
She finally had what she wanted by using Thrash as a shield, there was nothing she could do because Thrash was so strong, strength she was attracted to, so its not her fault.
When you rewatch or simply replay that ending everything you say, goes out the window because quite frankly
Lothia is far too clear headed and conscious of what she is saying. She jumps from defending thrash to admitting he was evil. To deflecting away from herself to blaming imos, to not denying her affection for thrash and attraction to him and bringing up Aina and Tori and admitting that they needed his help.
If she was simply brainwashed or was forced into being this way, even given Stockholm syndrome, she would be in utter denial, but she’s not in any denial. And these are her own words
This clearly showcase that she is in full control of her own mind and awareness of her actions and choices.
If what you’re saying is true, she shouldn’t have been willing to act this way. In fact, if you pay attention, she never wants actually attempts to say that she’s trying to take imos down because he is a demon lord. She’s very clearly attacking him because of thrash.
I can go on and there’s plenty more to say, but what you’re saying here is actually hard countered by the events in that ending spoken by the very character themselves. I can offer you a video if you would like to watch.
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Hard countered? NO! You're just not getting the point. My point was that she was BEFORE a pure and loving girl BUT she was THEN changed due to all the facts I've listed previously changing her character.
In simple terms she was a nice girl before but then she found and fell for lust (like 99% of all other FeMC in NTR games) and she changed (but regardless of the outcome she was nevertheless still a victim of those schemes and deceits).
But what you and the other guy have been saying was that she was like that from the very beginning which is BS.
You've only point out one moment in the game (the start of the path of ending 5/6) and come on by that point she was an 100% a changed woman ...
Let's do a direct comparison with the other Stockholm symdrome of the game Tori.
She was like a perfect sister at the start of the game, but then what happened? Was a victim of rape, and the thing kept going, started to enjoying it eventually falling for lust, thus becoming a different person in the process.
She was a key part of the process of corrupting Lotia and making Imos miserable by making those drugs without knowing what those were for but even if she knew she would'nt care since at that point in the game her priorities shifted and Ace became more important to her than her brother (damn her epilogue on ending 5/6 ....)
At last this is what NTR porn is all about no?
I mean welcome to a stable of a standard corruption game where you take a prim and proper girl and then you make her go through the pleasure of sex therefore changing her into a completely different person.
But like i said previously the girl in question was still a victim.
Example.
Let's say If you got a killer, let's call him "Alpha", and then you have a kid, let's call him "Beta".
Alpha is a serial killer and he kills the family of Beta, Beta then becomes a serial killer himself targeting the family of Alpha.
So here the dilemma:
How much blaming do give at each of the parties?
Beta for becoming like Alpha even though he got his valid reasons behind?
Alpha cause he's the root cause of everything?
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Or rather it just awakens what was dormant underneath the facade of 'purity and love' (because I have issues with how purity is used often, pure doesn't mean good).
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On that well that is just YOUR opinion when it comes to this dormant thing matter (which to me is also BS).
On a side note you shouldn't go around talking about other games plots here (I haven't played hero party must fall ...) while one should be carefull about getting spoiled on a thread of its own game, it is a complete low blow to get spoiled on other unrelated games of other game threads!
Ah but here’s the thing. This too is actually countered by how she treated him upon their reunion. Let’s start from the beginning. Because when you actually pay attention saying that she was pure hearted is actually what lothia herself argues. You are looking at her the same way IMOs did
. Despite that not actually being true and the game showcasing it pretty clearly . This is showcased again by the very events and how she acted. If you only played through once you wouldn’t notice this, but allow me. Because the thing is what you’re not noticing is that lothia actually wasn’t forced and willingly participated in pretty much everything.
Let’s first start with how she acted before the game even started . Namley that the way lothia was raised and nurtured, it made Lothia see herself as a paragon of virtue, goodness, morality and more. And in her isolated, comfy villiage life she fit into it perfecly.
She never had the urge or need to force her will onto others. SHe was never left wanting more as she was beautiful. Resepcted, loved and through Imos given the seemignly best guy around who chose her above all others. And she was raised with the morality and ideals of a preistess and happiyl embaced them as she was rewarded for it.
She was essentially part of the religious upper class of the world. And this is reflected in how she presented herself as well as how she acted around others and her beliefs and morals.
But there in lies what made her evil but it wasn't obvious.
Lothia was quite littearly put on a pedastal. And from that Pedastal she was made a draconid ontop of that andthat Pedastal became a tower. Her life was perfect.
But then she met Thrash and her true nature started to slip out. And we see why she was chosen to be a Draconid.
Was it beacuse he showed her she didn't have to be good to get what she wanted? No.
It was that he showed her one thing. As did the prostitue.
Imos was weak and would always BE weak and that she would always be above him. And Lothia didn't like that. So she tried to help him at first. But gave up when it was made clear that her helping him risked her own social standing in the group aka it could make her look bad. So she turned on him fast. But let's look at her actions for a bit.
She enters a "relationship" with a human she is clearly more powerful than via a means thats effectively a massive temporary and artificial boost to her otherwise weak self.
Yet she gives up on Imos as if he ever had a hope in hell to somehow become as strong as a Draconid without... a dragons help.
This points to a very strange level cognitive dissonance where they believe that the power is theirs despite it being borrowed and "begged" for every month.
She was hoping for a human to somehow become as strong as a demi god without the literal handicap said demi gods are given.
The thing you’re forgetting is that at no point upon the reunion did lothia actually stand up for imos or defend him to vouch for him. At every single opportunity she always was ready to side with the group over him. She never once actually put herself on the line openly for him. If you try to think of a single time, she actually did. It was always in private, and whenever it became public, she was helping she quickly backed off.
She only attempted to resist thrash when he was directly trying to pull something on her, but never when it was on imos.
But all that could be excused. And explained by her feeling nervous about the situation and knowing she would be unable to fight everyone at once. Ok.
However let’s look at The conversation with Maribelle the prostitue points that Lotia if you really pay attention was looking for excuses to not be with Imos and that she didnt have much respect for him. Using the excuses Maribelle handed like Imos coming to despise her was a plausible mirror or basically the truth was because Imos wasnt strong....That meant that Lotia would have to be the bread winner.
A position she did not want. Lotia was the one who would come to despise Imos, the excuse was conveniently given to avoid a moment of self relection. This is made very clear by lothia never actually denying or rejecting what was being said to her. She weakly tries to say imos isn’t like that. But she never says what is being spoken about is wrong or incorrect. Instead she absorbs it without conflict.
She wanted someone strong who could take care of her and be her provider and give her a life she felt would be comfortable where she could not have a care beyond him and their children. She wanted to settle down and be a loving wife and mother. However she didn’t want to have to be the breadwinner or even an equal partner. She wanted to be taken care of.
She realized fromt he way the group treated Imos and how he couldn't fight back and had no useful skills to offer it, that she had to carry him on her back.
And she really, really didn't like that. But the problem was she watned to break up with him...Without knowing how to do it in a way that wouldn't make her look selfish and terrible.
As even though they weren't an offical couple, Imos was still her lover and he had only done everything he could for her and was loving, kind and warm to her. She had no reason or excuse...Until it was handed to her and she took it.
This is backed up by her sneakily trying to make Imos seem helpful early on and got called out for it at the expense of Imos.
She wanted Imos to be more powerful than he really was and used means to make herself feel better about her choice in partner because she couldnt handle the truth that she beared the weight of the relationship because she was the strongest amongst the 2 of them.
Maribelle says Imos had nothing to offer besides his kindness which as far as we know is true. Thrash had resources and can pillage, steal and buy as much as necessary becauae he had the power to do so.
This plays into Lotias dislike of being a working mother and Thrash is now a much better partner purely due to resources.
As well upon re-checking. Lothia actually did try to fight Thash head on...And lost to him. And pretty much the moment after she did, she changed. Big time.
Lotia has horrible impulse control and will attack someone if she thinks she can win. The fight and loss vs Thrash and her more sudden submissive and mildly obsessive behavior afterwards points that she valued power, something she tried to make Imos seem like he had and hoped he would gain then subsequently giving up on the idea.
If you don’t believe me, go back and check for yourself. The moment after she lost to him lothia stops resisting him and actually begins to apologize and become submissive to him and actively seeking him out and making steps to pursue him. There is no breaking down it’s incredibly sudden. She becomes obsessed with him.
She then oddly believes only she can deal with Thrash, someone with far more experience than her, by trying to manipulate him. She needed a reason to be around him because she was attracted to him.
Was she doused with aprodisacs? Yes. But the thing is that didn't really play into her decicion making. WHen she went to 'challange' thrash to sexual actions she was really just trying to manipulate him into developing feelings for her using sex as a weapon against him. Not getting that, that wasn't going to really work on him.
You might say she did it because she wanted to protect imos. However the thing is her reaction upon being outed for doing so in secret clearly shows that he was not on her mind.
But before that?
she has in turn effectively begun neglecting Imos entirely showing up only when something negative has been said about him and her believing these negative things purely out of convenience of her actual desires. She wasn't acutally kept away from Imos. Upon replaying she acutally had plenty of opportunity to go see him.
Nobody acutally tried to stop her from leaving the villa. SHe just chose on her own to NOT go and see him and instead hang aound the villa and be close to Thrash. Of her own free will.
All the while being aware of Imos feeling lonley and missing her. obivously this is really bad looking. So.
She needed imos to be the bad guy to justify her actions.
As well, as said before when she was outed for giving sexual favors to Thrash after coming to yell at Imos for apprently having sex with a prostitute with no proof after she had basically been ingoring him and not even trying to spend time with him and then again after she had sex with Thrash for 3 days unaware Imos was forced to watch….she repeatedly scrambled for excuses.
Excuses Thrash conveniently gave her to use to avoid any responsibility in the matter.
All of this Lothia did willingly and without outside pressure. All Thrash really did was have people talk to her. He didn't even acutally threaten her up to this point.
After Aina he realized that force and threats wasn't going to work on a female draconid used to having power of her own.
What say you to these events exactly as the story laid them out for us?
Then our issue is an perspective issue because ny read is supported as yours are also supported.
you guys need to chill about it the story is the typical NTR story where you get cucked and the cucker i guess got the happy end of the stick
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Ok first there's LOTS of assumptions that you were doing there in your LONG monologue there.
And there's LOTS of BIASED interpretation too.
Let's go bit by bit
• She could've gone visiting Imos at any point? The heck? What were the 2 goons at the door ALL the time for? I mean it's clear as day to me that she wasn't allowed to do so
• You've been doing lot's of speculations about her from BEFORE the game started! I mean those are just speculations! And you are judging her character based on things that you didn't saw first hand? And you also got to look at "who" s talking about the events of before, it is one thing if it comes from characters like Aina or Krimina, but I would take with a grain of salt EVERYTHING that comes from Thrash and that prostitude (which I'll go on one of my next points)
• Thrash only comes in on chapter 3.
Chapter 1 and 2 you barely scrape the surfice on making those deep assumption about her "initial" character.
After chapter 3 she start to undergo that transformation.
And do not forget how chapter 3 went ...
If she didn't go Thrash and his mob would've killed and pillage her home village ...
• You do realize that Imos, Tori and Krimina were sort of like "hostages" when all is said and done? At least initially ... I guess after Imos and Krimina left (and Tori switched sides) Aina was still to be considered an hostage?
• So you and that other guy where really even sort of defending Thrash?? Really?
• Now lots of your arguments were taking the words of Thrash like they were GOLD and the absolute truth of the world.
But let's just say what there were to me .... BS.
Thrash was basically doing chess 4D and was doing reverse psicology and sprouting whatever sorry excuses of the world ... and for what goal? Just to get into Lotia panties ....
• Maribelle to me was in on Thrash whole scheme too (there's no hard evidence but to me it's clear that is the case).
IN FACT THE WHOLE CITY in one or another WAS IN on that plan just for the boss to be able to bang one girl ... looking it like that is pitiful, the bullying towards Imos was also part of the scheme .... a plan involving a thousand men just to bang a single girl ...
• So with that out in the light how much weight do Thrash and Maribelle words mean to me? ZERO. I sure don't forget the nature and the ultimate goal of what their talks where all about ... Is there some truth mixed on it like Lotia being the breadwinner?
Yeah but so what? I recall Krimina words on chapter 1 saying that despite him being a wimp the two of them would've been fine.
Krimina words were out of good faith in nature ... unlike you know ...
• at last let's talk about the many so called inconsistences of Lotia's actions during the 4-9 chapter saga. I can simply wrap this all up in one sentence. She was right in the middle of her corruption/transformation phase. She was a naive girl that didn't know evil of the world enough and ultimately fell for a evil plot that INVOLVED AN ENTIRE CITY
Also when it comes to Tori I think you’re missing the entire point of her character. Tori didn’t choose lust and pleasure she saved herself. Tori realized at a point that’s the only reason she was being targeted was because her brother had a target on his back and because of their family relationship and that she was on his side she was going to keep being targeted. As well she realized that she had no future with her brother because her brother was going to get run into the ground by thrash.
Everything she did was basically to get in good with the draconids. And once she betrayed him, guess what? It stopped. Nobody was raping or targeting her because ultimately she wasn’t on her brother side anymore and nobody actually wanted her THAT badly. So she kept doing it until she got into. Ace good graces and had a good chance at a better future.
Everything she did was for that. It was pure survival and pragmatism that’s why even. Imos doesn’t blame or feel too betrayed by her what she did was simply common sense. It hurt, but he understood it, and he was even somewhat happy. She was not being hurt anymore.
Mind you yes. She basically started to live like a junkie to the point that even Ace was giving her side eye and started to neglect her. But you can pretty much inferred that was out of guilt and self-inflicted punishment for betraying and abandoning her brother.
Even if she wanted to return to him there was no future there. Ace held the keys for her future. So she stayed by him. Although by the end you can tell it was maybe out of a bit of guilt or maybe just complete pity for him when he revealed that ending that he was just an overgrown, manchild, crying and calling her his mommy.
So I think you actually misunderstood her because she wasn’t actually corrupted. She simply saved herself in the only way possible.
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I mean to me that is also silly over-analizing a character of a porn game on whether if she's evil / how evil is she / was she evil from the start and so on ... you gotta say that to the other 2 guys they have been at it for wayyy longer than me.
If you gotta do it then do so on Demons Roots.
that game is one worth analizing ...
FIrst.
I agree with you i am doing a bit of an interperation of her past from what we don't see. What i am inferring is based on the moals nad ideals she speaks about. SO it is logical but i do admit that you are correct there. So your point there stands.
Yes if she diddn't go the villaige would of been pillaged but let's not forget the villaige actually betrayed Imos and the rest and sold them out to thrash practically. But fair point there.
Your argument thereabout hostages is...Rather very weak and you seemed to realize that. So i won't adress it as you pretty much realized the problem with it yourself. It's not a very good one and rather falls apart when you think about it. Also itIS important to rememebr Lothia was fully aware of imos being abused and mistreated and spoke up about it. Only to get a really bad lie about it not being targeted that admitted he was being singled out and she just accepted it.
No i never defended Thrash. Please show me the part where i did. I merly foucused on Lothia.
Actually no. Please show the part where i was taking Thash's words like gold. In relaity the one that took those words like gold was Lothia. Lothia always took his words and excuses whenever he presented them. If you disagree with that, name moments where she fought back as Aina did,asked questoins or in some way didn't accept or use them.
I'm...not sure what your saying here. Yes the entire city was in on it and working for Thrash. That's...made obvious. Im not saying that wasn't the case of course it was.
Again im not sure what point your trying to make about my beadwinner points. Your not rejecting or denying that Lothia thought this way and that my poitns on her are valid there.
Now we reach the end of your counter points and while some are decent, the issue is you clearly cannot come up with counter points/counter arguments as I was using the clearly showcased events of the game and Lothia's own words, choices and actions. These cannot be denied as they are what happend. And you clealry can't find fault in a good deal of what i said. Which is fine.
And before i forget. Lothia is still a draconid andthe goons were just goons. I don't belive i have to say anything there of how they werent' an obstacle in anyway shape or form to her.
But allow me to bring up one scene to showcase what i mean in detial.
The scene with the prostiute claiming Imos had sex with them and Lothia's reaction.
This scene is a hard counter to your arguments of her beign a pure or innocent girl. The reason being is her actions during it.
When she learns of this cliam she's almost instnatly willing to belive it and quickly condems and judges Imos for doing so and really lays into him for seemingly choosing a moment of breif pleasue over her. She deos this despite the fact that she has been doing sexual favors to thrash and thus betraying Imos.
THis is blatant and utter hypocricy and undefendable. Now is Lothia stolkhomed or brainwashed here? It seems so. But no.
Beaucse when Imos outs her/fights back by pointing out he SAW her doing sex acts with Tharsh, Lothia is stunned and thrown off completly nad begins to scramble to make excuses.
She got caught and got caught red handed trying to hypocritcalyl condem Imos for the very thing she herself did and her reaction? The same as i brought up int he endings.
She makes excuses and tries to deflect away from her actions. Thrash hasto step in and offer her a good excuse/way out and she instnatly takes it.
She doens't apolgoize to Imos. Nor does she even say she was doing it to protect him. SHe tries to excuse her actions, when she realized she couldn't condem him for a mere accusation when she actually DID it.
Which in turn in consistatn with how she acts in ending 5/6 with her defelecting everything back onto Imos and trying to blame him while excusing heself.
This hard counters the argument of her being a pure girl or innocent as that is not how anyone pure or innocent would act. Espically not Lothia.
It's also worth noting you don'tdisagree with my point of her attacking Thrash and then becoming submissive and obessesed with him. beacuse again. That is simply what happend and cannot be interperted any other way. After that she begns willingly seeking him out and neglecting Imos despite not being under theat directly as she was no longer challanging Thrash.
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In here too there's plenty of biased interpretations.
There are 2 events on which she chose Ace over her brother (and why would she do that if she wasn't lust-corrupted?)
The first is the severance money.
When she did give him the money the game and the parties involved all treated it as money to cut their ties.
I solely see this as her choosing Ace over Imos ...
While the previous one was arguable and up to interpretation the second one there is no interpretation there.
I don't remember the exact chapter but in the moment where you got the 4 way confrontation Ace Imos Aina Tori.
All Tori needed to do was walk to the other side but no ... she decided to flee with him.
To me the real act of betrayal was right then and there.
That was the one and biggest chance at freedom she ever had!! No threats or hostages, no Thrash, the 3 of them could've make Ace pay for his crimes but no ...
She chose lust over friends and family right then and there!!
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I said she was in the middle of her corruption phase ... just what is hard to process in that statement?
I'm gonna explain this nice and easy.
She was a nice naive virgin girl ...
She then AFTER getting drugged, experiences sexual pleasure ...
After the first time she experienced it over and over again ...
She starts having doubts ...
Her heart starts going for Thrash rather than Imos ...
She starts making excuses for herself ...
She starts believing all the arguments in favor of Thrash rather than Imos ...
Her feelings and actions are contradictory ...
And at the end basically chooses Thrash over Imos (Lust is the BIG trigger)
Now let's go into the arguments.
Your argument was that she was evil from the start.
My argument is that if it wasn't for that initial big trigger she would've stayed the innocent naive good girl of chapter 1 and 2
DUDE THIS IS A PORN GAME!
SEXUAL PLEASURE IS A PLOT DEVICE (USUALLY THE MAIN PLOT DEVICE) ON A PORN GAME!
Especially the NTR games
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Look. At least have the decency to admit you know my points are solid and you have no counterpoints to them. I used the very events of the game and how Lothia herself acted. You cannot counter the very events of the game. And that's fine. But please. stop trying to do the 'it's a porn game' arguments. To defelect from the fact your interperation of her. Is hard countered by the very events of the game itself and simply how she acts.
You have even clearly realized the holes in your own counterpoints.At least admit that my interperation is valid.
Your poitns here are fine. But they are explained by the point i made before. She saw no future with Imos and saw that she had one if she got ace's favor and approval. He had the means to give her a future if she sided with him. Imos did not.
Tori is not corrupted by lust for Ace. SHe is acting on pure pragmatism and trying to curry his favor and approval and it works.
Imos even himself is hurt but understanding.
And this in turn is hard countered byher decicion to stay with ace in ending 5/6.
If Lust was her motivaotin to betray herbrother. Then she should of abandoned ace the momentt he gods/dragons were dead as everyone lost their lust as Aina herself said. Even the Thugs were now harmless and no threat to women as they had no desire to enage in sex.
Therefor Tori should of just left as her core reason was gone.
Your argument is countered by the very events of the game and choices of the characters.