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Guys, people hereabouts are droning on and on about 'Oedipus Complex this' and 'Oedipus Complex that' to explain the aberrant behaviour of fictional characters Daniel and Aaron—obviously unaware that Freud's Oedipus Complex was outmoded long ago and isn’t considered scientifically valid today,
Technically speaking, none of psychology is "scientifically valid" because it relies on consensus-based reasoning.


for all sorts of reasons. Just sayin'. I’m sure anyone interested in the whys and wherefores could check it out on the web—saving me from having to do a bit of extra-mural cut and paste. (y)
And by that very same token, all the criticisms of the Oedipus complex especially within a psychological context would be just as "invalid." The Oedipal Complex is ike the concept of love; love by definition wouldn't be scientifically valid either, but for those of us fortunate to have experienced it, we can identify it, and we can describe it. The Oedipus Complex like most of our experiences is a qualitative, not quantitative, anecdote.

There's a bit of contradiction in your stating this Abduxuel, because the "aberrant" behavior you seem to readily identify is rooted in identical premises which criticisms of the Oedipus Complex would, as you put, label "invalid."
 

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Have sex with a sleeping woman is rape, wake a woman up having sex with her without previous words of consent too. There is no discussion about, I don't thing Daval will cross that line.
Have you had a sexual relationship? (I promise I'm not teasing, or trying to make fun of you.) I'm honestly curious to learn of the boundaries you may have set with someone with whom you've gotten close.
 

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dudes will be so invested in 3D porn
And you presumably jerk-off to 3D porn, right? Doesn't that suggest that you're invested as well? Or are we arbitrarily choosing which behavior demarcates "too invested"?

Aaron is quite a hypocrite, after all while David maintained a consensual relationship with Sarah he molested Alice while she slept, and he still thinks he's right after all. Looks like bro has a Peter mentality
Doesn't matter. Aaron sees David as a threat to his immediate family. You're operating under the presumption that Aaron's behaving, for lack of a better term, "rationally." He's not. He's clearly not. So why are you holding him up to a standard that most young males in his situation wouldn't be able to meet? If your mom was cheating on your dad with someone whom you all know, and knows that she's married to your dad, would it surprise you that you might feel some hostility toward either one or both cheating parties?
 

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That's incredible. So, do you think Aaron's anger or hatred toward David stemmed from jealousy at seeing his mother so close to another man? I think maybe Aaron also liked Alice, but to a lesser extent. Similar to how Liam likes his aunt Alexa.
I think it stems from both his jealousy, and his being the one to represent the interests of his father. I think Aaron is attracted to Alice because not only is she insanely pretty, but she's available and in close proximity. I think Aaron's hostility toward David, especially after Aaron kissed Alice, lends to the point that he's always been attracted to his mom. That is, to go after Alice, the relative closest to him who most resembles his mother. Whether he's actually "in love" with Alice, is yet to be determined. We know somewhat provisionally that David is in love with Sarah, and that Alice is in love with David. And we now know that Aaron wants to possess his mother to the exclusion of all others, his father being the exception.
 
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Aaron confessed he is punishing his mother and doesn't want Sarah to have any relationship with David but he doesn't care about his poor father ha ha.
Aaron sees himself as an extension of his father. In other words, she belongs to them--their family. Not David, in his mind.
 
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He already had this routine of going to Alice's room before he even found out about David and Sarah, this is shown in chapter 6. That's why I say he's a hypocrite
Yeah I know what you mean, I just pointed out he used his anger about finding out their adventure to fucked up big time when he kissed Alice roughly to trigger David.
 
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Have you had a sexual relationship? (I promise I'm not teasing, or trying to make fun of you.) I'm honestly curious to learn of the boundaries you may have set with someone with whom you've gotten close.
Certainly I have never had sex with a woman unconscious. Having sex with a woman who is under a sleeping pills or another kind of drugs, and can not express her consent is rape. And It is not just a moral issue the law condemned this kind of behavior included within the limits of the marriage.
 
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Yeah I know what you mean, I just pointed out he used his anger about finding out their adventure to fucked up big time when he kissed Ashley roughly to trigger David.
Who the fuck is Ashley? I think crying on several different comic threads is messing with your memory.
 
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Technically speaking, none of psychology is "scientifically valid" because it relies on consensus-based reasoning.




And by that very same token, all the criticisms of the Oedipus complex especially within a psychological context would be just as "invalid." The Oedipal Complex is ike the concept of love; love by definition wouldn't be scientifically valid either, but for those of us fortunate to have experienced it, we can identify it, and we can describe it. The Oedipus Complex like most of our experiences is a qualitative, not quantitative, anecdote.

There's a bit of contradiction in your stating this Abduxuel, because the "aberrant" behavior you seem to readily identify is rooted in identical premises which criticisms of the Oedipus Complex would, as you put, label "invalid."
I always thought Freud's Oedipus complex—part of his theory of infantile sexuality—was flaky, not least because in the Greek myth he referenced, Oedipus had absolutely no idea that Laius was his father when he killed him, nor that Laius's widow, Jocasta—whom he subsequently married and fathered children with—was his mother: the very opposite of the relationships in modern nuclear families. In the myth, as I'm sure you already know, when the truth eventually came out, Jocasta hanged herself in shame for what she had done, and her son Oedipus, overwhelmed by guilt and revulsion, blinded himself with her brooches and went into exile.

(While I wouldn't mind seeing Oedipus' fate visited on Daniel I would prefer a much better one for Lana than Jocasta.)

The truth is much simpler: Daniel is a sex-obsessed teenager who wants to have as much sex as possible with the sexiest and most gorgeous women he has seen, will ever see, who happens to be his mother. He is a completely unprincipled young man bereft of a single scrap of honesty, honour, higher nature or shame who is prepared to do anything, literally anything, to get his way including getting his mother drunk, manipulating her while she is vulnerable, assaulting her repeatedly without her consent, and even drugging his own father to maintain access to her. I can't remember seeing Daniel do a single selfless thing for Lana, a person he has put in jeopardy multiple times because if the incestuous relationship he has with her were made public, and they ended up prosecuted for the crime of incest, in most countries around the world Lana would be sentenced to a long custodial prison sentence and the pair forbidden from seeing each other: Daniel of course, being a young adult, would be treated much more leniently and probably escape jail even though he was the instigator and prime driver of the forbidden relationship.

The Daniel character isn’t doing what he does because he has to, or because he’s driven to it, helpless in the grip of some psychological imperative—he’s doing it because he wants to fuck his sweet, loving, and beautiful mother for the pleasure that fucking her gives him. The little creep revels in the power he has over Lana, dominating and bending her to his will, and he’s a big enough piece of shit to keep doing so indefinitely or at least for as long as he can.

That's ID in a nutshell and, my friend, that is a pity because it could have been so much more.
 
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Not entirely. Some psychoanalytic currents, such as Lacan or Klein, rework the Oedipus as a symbolic metaphor, rather than as a literal clinical fact. Today, the Oedipus complex is no longer widely used in most psychological disciplines, but that does not mean that it is completely obsolete, it even persists in certain psychoanalytic circles. From one of many philosophical perspectives, the Oedipus complex can be understood as a structural metaphor for desire. Its value lies not in describing a universal empirical process, but in offering an interpretative model of how subjectivity is shaped by the conflict between desire, prohibition and symbolization. In addition to being understood in its classical or symbolic sense, it can be used as an interpretative tool to analyze characters in fictional works (series, books, movies). Although it is not a clinical diagnosis, the Oedipus offers a symbolic framework for thinking about power relations, desire, rivalry and identity formation in the family or social context. And the interpretation does not necessarily have to be professional.
Thanks for that and saving me the trouble of doing something (not quite the same) but similar. (y)
 
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