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Well I can't wait to see Daniel white knights defending this atrocity to your perfect queen LanaGuys, Lana is "asleep" because she's been drugged by the soporific Daniel used to spike his father's coffee. The little shit knows this full well and yet takes advantage of his mother while she is insensible and unable to consent to or refuse his advances. This is no different from any other incident of "date rape" where an unscrupulous man (or men) violate a helpless girl, or woman, unconscious after unwittingly having been dosed with an illegally administered drug. In other words it's a crime of rape and, for me, beyond the pale.
Plot armor in this rapey comic is way too strong so something like that is expectedSo another 2-3 chapters till cousin and friend figure out what they heard and Lana might wake up during the rape
That's not quite what I asked. But if the question is too crass, consider it dropped.Certainly I have never had sex with a woman unconscious. Having sex with a woman who is under a sleeping pills or another kind of drugs, and can not express her consent is rape. And It is not just a moral issue the law condemned this kind of behavior included within the limits of the marriage.
And as I'm sure you know, the name of the complex wasn't named because the behavior exhibited was to a tee a mirror image of Oedipus. You're only arguing nomenclature, now.I always thought Freud's Oedipus complex—part of his theory of infantile sexuality—was flaky, not least because in the Greek myth he referenced, Oedipus had absolutely no idea that Laius was his father when he killed him, nor that Laius's widow, Jocasta—whom he subsequently married and fathered children with—was his mother: the very opposite of the relationships in modern nuclear families. In the myth, as I'm sure you already know, when the truth eventually came out, Jocasta hanged herself in shame for what she had done, and her son Oedipus, overwhelmed by guilt and revulsion, blinded himself with her brooches and went into exile.
(While I wouldn't mind seeing Oedipus' fate visited on Daniel I would prefer a much better one for Lana than Jocasta.)
Then he is not "sex-obsessed." He's obsessed with physical contact from his mother, and his mother only. That's a notable difference. Every female in the comic, with the exception of Rosa, seems to be attracted to Daniel. But Daniel has only ever expressed interest in Lana even in charged moments with other women, namely Sofia and Martha. Even when Kiara, Sharon's friend, expresses interest in him, he doesn't appear to give it much, if any, attention.The truth is much simpler: Daniel is a sex-obsessed teenager who wants to have as much sex as possible with the sexiest and most gorgeous women he has seen, or almost certainly will ever see, who happens to be his mother.
Yes, he's been willing to do anything to carry out his interests, but he's been forthcoming about those interests with Lana. So his lacking a "scrap of honesty" isn't based on anything.He is a completely unprincipled young man bereft of a single scrap of honesty, honour, higher nature or shame who is prepared to do anything, literally anything,
Daniel never got Lana drunk. Lana got drunk on her own at the end of Chapter 9 because she was frustrated with Alex passing out.to get his way including getting his mother drunk,
Yes, he has done this.manipulating her while she is vulnerable,
He hasn't assaulted her.assaulting repeatedly without her consent,
Yes, he has done this, and I admit that's pretty messed up.and even drugging his own father to maintain access to her.
Why do you guys keep compelling me to recall this moment? What about the end of Chapter Eight when that stranger tried to "recruit" Lana, subsequently groping her, and Daniel rescued her, shoving that stranger without thinking twice? Seeing as the man was much larger in physique than Daniel was, would his putting himself in harms way be considered "selfless"?I can't remember seeing Daniel do a single selfless thing for Lana,
Yes, that's the theme with which Daval proceeded following Chapter 4. I think he believes (I'm only guessing) that their willingness to do anytime or any place is a measure of how intense their love and lust is. The consequences of exposure is intended to provide stakes, and a fallback on which Lana can return when she's not fully invested. The culmination of everything that has gone on is intended to eventually have Lana fully commit.person he has put in jeopardy multiple times because if the incestuous relationship he has with her were made public,
The consequences are ultimately controlled by Daval. And given his V.I.P. comics, Lana and Daniel's public shenanigans are rather tame. If his V.I.P. characters haven't ended up in jail, I doubt Lana or Daniel will.and they ended up prosecuted, in many countries around the world Lana would be sentenced to a long custodial prison sentence and the pair forbidden from seeing each other: Daniel of course, being a young adult, would be treated more leniently and probably escape jail.
The two aren't mutually exclusive. And given this recent update, not to mention, the previous others, I would heavily disagree with Daniel's not feeling a compulsion to have sex with Lana.The Daniel character isn’t doing what he does because he has to, or because he’s driven to it, helpless in the grip of some psychological imperative—he’s doing it because he wants to fuck his sweet, loving, and beautiful mother for the pleasure that fucking her gives him.
Exactly. Because as I have stated before, it's not just the Oedipus complex Daval has broached with Daniel, it's also the male power fantasy. It isn't breaking news that Daniel is trying to dominate and bend Lana to his will. And Lana in her thought bubbles has expressed an attraction to this aspect of Daniel. If Daniel wasn't aggressive and assertive, Lana would probably have done less than 5% of what she has done. Daniel's character traits are necessary to push Lana out of her comfort zone and indulge her IMMORAL DESIRES. Otherwise, she'd have absolutely no incentive to cheat on Alex. (In all honesty, her reasons for cheating on Alex are silly.)The little creep revels in the power he has over Lana, dominating and bending her to his will,
No offense, but I don't think you've assimilated the events of the previous 11 chapters to recount this entire story "in a nutshell." I think you're more focus on shitting on Daniel, for reasons known only to you. There are just a few people in whom I'm confident actually knows the nuances of Immoral Desires' plot. Nevertheless, I'm not here to change your mind, only rebuff the errors in descriptions that are far from accurate.That's ID in a nutshell and, my friend, is a pity because it could have been so much more.
I think too much is being made of this. But perhaps that's my own experience both in my own personal life, as well as reading content of this nature. I've both read and translated hentai where the main male character has sex with a sleeping female character (e.g. Natsume Benkei plays on this theme a lot with his works Mainichi Okaa-san de Seiyoku Shiori Chapter 3, and Neteiru Okaa-san o Yaritai Houdai, or Miyabi Tsurzuru's Nemuri Haha, or Horsetail's Kaa-san Janakya Dame Nanda, or one I've translated, Oba-san no Karada ga Kimochiyo Sugiru Kara Vol.2.) Heck, I've seen sitcoms (e.g. Everybody Loves Raymond) make fun of the idea of having sex with a sleeping partner, i.e. when main female character Debra Barone points out to her husband, Raymond Barone, her disappointment of his diminishing sex drive because he used to spend every waking moment wanting to have sex with her, and at times she didn't even have to be "awake."At this point, I can't help but feel that all this shit would have been avoided if only Daniel was allowed to fuck the other girls, you know... you can only do a few kind of story with just two character fucking, but I never imagined Daval would go this route, I was expecting anal and pregnancy, not literal rape.
This is such a shame because Daniel was also the best looking MC, although he always had a possessive attitude, especially in the first issues where Lana wasn't as convinced, this is going too far, I don't know what's wrong with Daval, but this kind of scene seems like a scene from his other and more controversial content.
Imagine if Lana dies he will rape her lifeless bodyImmoral Desires Chapter 12 pgs 21-30 AI TRANSLATION & UPSCALE [~3200 x 2200] (upscaled, edited, and typesetted courtesy of yours truly, 8TB):
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NOTE: On page 27, Kiara suggests something rather idiotic, i.e. the possibility that Daniel got lost in his own home. So I changed it a bit, and provided an "ad lib" so that she would come off as less stupid. Enjoy!
Please spare the exaggeration. For those who are proclaiming this is rape, may I ask, where were those sentiments when Daniel did this?Imagine if Lana dies he will rape her lifeless body![]()
And btw what did ppl expect by a comic called IMMORAL Desire? It is immoral not only for the incest part.Please spare the exaggeration. For those who are proclaiming this is rape, may I ask, where were those sentiments when Daniel did this?
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My responses aren't geared to invalidate anyone's feelings. If you're upset by this, then you're upset by it. What my responses are attempting to do is dispel this notion that Gen-Z descriptions of interpersonal contact take priority over the sentiments of the people involved. And since Lana did little to protest or even admonish Daniel's actions during this encounter, why would she feel particularly "violated" during this recent encounter, should she ever find out?
Are you guys going to stop reading Immoral Desires? If not, then isn't that tacit admission that you're okay reading depictions of "rape"?
I take off, he shaded. This is clearly an unprecedented insight in this forum, someone who has understood with absolute clarity that the Oedipus complex is not simply reduced to sexual desire, but encompasses all the nuances and transformations of personality.Then he is not "sex-obsessed." He's obsessed with physical contact from his mother, and his mother only. That's a notable difference. Every female in the comic, with the exception of Rosa, seems to be attracted to Daniel. But Daniel has only ever expressed interest in Lana even in charged moments with other women, namely Sofia and Martha. Even when Kiara, Sharon's friend, expresses interest in him, he doesn't appear to give it much, if any, attention.
Ouch! Well. I think people sometimes forget that a trait of some character can make him totally different from the others, just because of that particular trait or a remarkable characteristic, whatever his charisma or his way of being or his way of acting in different situations. See in this case Daniel, who is a clear representation of the Oedipus complex, also having dyes of the neurologist Sigmund Freud, of the psychology of the Ego, the ego, and the superego. Daniel being an allegory to the Ego, since it represents it being the Ego, it contains the drives and impulses and desires of the human being, being also in some cases represented as the most mundane and lowest desires of the human being, but at the end of the day being a clear representation of the Oedipus complex. View attachment 3808949
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That's not quite what I asked. But if the question is too crass, consider it dropped.
I don't take it personally, yes I am not a virgin ha ha if that what your are askingand I am in a stable relationship, I have read some comments that in some cases a partner is sleeping and she/he is woke up in a sexual advance I get it there are blurred lines but having sex with a woman unconscious by sleeping pills is rape. Of course is a comic but It supposed to be an incest comic and here the character Daniel crossed a line.
I think I may have a prediction as to what may proceed from these events. Alex clearly returned from eating breakfast at a restaurant to provide a Deus Ex Machina for Sharon and Kiara's discovering Daniel's having sex with a sleeping Lana. I imagine Sharon is going to hear her uncle's shouting, and suggest that she and Kiara should hide. Unbeknownst to them, they'll make their way to Daniel's room. Daniel after inseminating Lana, will make his way for the door to start looking for Sharon's bunny costume. Now either of one of two things can happen: (1) Daniel can notice his father coming up the stairs just as he's left his parents room, or (2) Daniel doesn't get that far and has to hide under their bed. It doesn't matter much because eventually he's going to escape unnoticed, and make his way back to his room. With the latter option, I imagine Daval can have Daniel leave in a hurry with his shorts and underwear in his hand. And when he finally makes it back to his room, Sharon and Kiara will see Daniel with his pants off, creating more tension, especially considering that they heard strange noises, and Alex was outside at the time when they heard those noises. Lana will come to, and notice she's been inseminated. She'll ask Alex if they had sex, but he'll tell her that she fell asleep when they tried. She'll correctly assume that Daniel had sex with her while she's asleep, and then start to look for Daniel herself. She'll head over to Daniel's room, and either notice that Daniel is in there with Sharon or Kiara butt naked, facilitating another "jealous arc" for Lana, or she'll hear voices and act as voyeur to Kiara making a move on Daniel.I take off, he shaded. This is clearly an unprecedented insight in this forum, someone who has understood with absolute clarity that the Oedipus complex is not simply reduced to sexual desire, but encompasses all the nuances and transformations of personality.
That wasn't what I was asking, either.I don't take it personally, yes I am not a virgin ha ha if that what your are asking
What is the difference between her being asleep as a result of her being tired, and being asleep under chemical induction? Are we forgetting that Daniel did not intend for Lana's coffee to be laced with the sleeping drug? And if Daniel planned to "date rape" her, why did he wait until the morning after when the effects of sleeping pills usually wear off, and not approach her after his father fell asleep? Daniel has already exhibited that he doesn't care to make advances toward Lana when his dad is around:and I am in a stable relationship, I have read some comments that in some cases a partner is sleeping and she/he is woke up in a sexual advance I get it there are blurred lines but having sex with a woman unconscious by sleeping pills is rape.
Crossed whose line? Yours?Of course is a comic but It supposed to be an incest comic and here the character Daniel crossed a line.
just like DavalDaniel ID
He went from doing it with his mom to being a rapist
I prefaced the initial question insisting that I wasn't trying to make fun of or tease you, because I honestly wasn't. The possibility of your being a virgin wasn't the focus of the question, but more so the relationship aspect with someone with whom you have sex.Well so I do not get it what you asked me as you might have noticed my english is not may native language, lets leave it there, but I wanted to say that I just didn't think the potential question was crass or what I thought your were asking.
Do you ask for consent for every physical act engaged by you and your partner?I think the difference is clear with drugs a woman can't stop somebody from abusing her, of course if she was sleeping and is woken up with some sexual advance has the opportunity of accepting the advance or rejected it. Consent is the magic word.
What has Daniel done differently? In those pages of Immoral Desires 11, I referenced when Daniel performs cunnilingus on a sleeping Lana, and she wakes up during it, she verbally rejects him. So why has he crossed a line now, but not then? If you read the recent update, does Daniel find or note any particular advantage in having sex with his mom while she sleeps? Or is it this notion of obsession he has with her that precludes him from managing his urges in a manner that does not include mauling his mother? May I ask: how would the scene have been different if Lana was awake?The lines like the character I thought It was descripted at the beginning of the story. I didn't thinK Daval would put the character crossing the line of abusing of her love object in this way.