HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.6.7] [Vrelnir]

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My dumass forgot to check for new user, it breaks because it fail to initialize some part so the toggle cheat unable to use, now it fixed.

 

[Golden_Buddy]

is there a wiki for the new things in dol+?

 

[Juliop]

This used to be one of my favorite games. Shame it has strayed too far away from what it originally was. I guess these things happen when something gets too popular and dev has no backbone

Strayed away from what? It pretty much covers all the core fetishes. But not all are fleshed out, like watersports.

 

[Amhran]

Strayed away from what? It pretty much covers all the core fetishes. But not all are fleshed out, like watersports.

From context deduction, we can probably assume they mean that the game became less oriented towards under-aged characters.

 

[StapleComm]

From context deduction, we can probably assume they mean that the game became less oriented towards under-aged characters.

Imagine seeing the game progress so much and having so much content and getting upset cuz it's not "focused on underage characters anymore"
Also like... looking at it cynically, not having focus on that helps with not drawing too much attention and keeping the game from trouble

 

[Amhran]

If it's anything like the other fetishists who are constantly asking "does this have (X fetish)" about every game before they'll even try to play it, I would imagine that it's been a slow but steady erosion of why they were initially drawn to the game, possibly how they even became aware of it in the first place. I don't personally get into any of the fetishes, I'm more just looking at general art and writing styles...and gameplay that doesn't suck too bad. Almost all NSFW games either have no meaningful gameplay or really terrible gameplay, so I kind of treasure the games that manage to do something worthwhile with gameplay while also having art and writing that I like, no matter what fetishes they may or may not have...because at least for me, there aren't a whole lot of those games that manage to stick most or every major point. DOL somehow goes even farther in that I somehow became invested in its world and characters, even despite some the apparent structural issues (largely owing to the limitations of being an open world game with a lot of places to be and characters to meet...or not, depending on what the player decides), which is not easy to pull off even outside of this particular avenue of games.

 

[EmDotRand]

Not sure about calling age preference a fetish. Feels like calling being gay a fetish. Otherwise couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Zaky0909]

Hello anyone got a full save of this game
Note: mc is male & all other npc's are females

 

[Amhran]

Not sure about calling age preference a fetish. Feels like calling being gay a fetish. Otherwise couldn't have said it better myself.

In this particular situation (i.e. talking about people's interests in NSFW games and why they will or won't check out games), I think it's fairly close to analogous. The posters constantly asking about their particular fetish are not at all interested in a game unless it's there - for them, it essentially becomes an all-important selling point, just as general gay content does for those who are interested in only that kind of content. "Fetish" in this sense would be the older and more traditional meaning sense of the word, i.e. an obsession that is required for appeal and gratification, not simply "this is one of the things I especially like" (which should really just be called a "kink", but the two have been conflated with one another over time). I certainly do not intend for fetishes and attraction to under-age people or characters to be considered analogous in any way outside of this very specific thread of discussion.

 

[Juliop]

Strayed away from what? It pretty much features all the core fetishes. But not all are fleshed out, like watersports.

From context deduction, we can probably assume they mean that the game became less oriented towards under-aged characters.

Ok, explains why the mc is still an orphan and goes to school. Don't see how making characters underage would improve the game.

 

[Amhran]

Ok, explains why the mc is still an orphan and goes to school. Don't see how making characters underage would improve the game.

I'll try to say it more plainly: it's not about improving the game in any specific or even general sense, it's simply about the game losing its core appeal to the people who prefer (or even require) that particular kind of content for the game to be enjoyable to them. In other words, that new Indiana Jones game that came out within the past year might have all the gameplay, story, world, and general design elements that you or any other particular person could ever hope for...but if you hate the idea of playing the character Indiana Jones for whatever reason and instead actually wanted to play as...I don't know, someone like Lara Croft, the game might still ultimately prove to be completely unappealing to you. It's just one of those things that is true for some people, and I'm no exception: when I see people play games where the main character is just some beefy macho man saying stupid one liners all the time, I've almost certainly lost all interest even if I like everything else about the game.

 

[MRN64]

Not sure about calling age preference a fetish. Feels like calling being gay a fetish. Otherwise couldn't have said it better myself.

I mean you could quite honestly categorize being gay as a fetish depending on how far you take the definition. A fetish isnt unnatural or immoral by existence it is simply assigning a sexual connotation to something that is not normally associated with that or taking a preference and turning it into a fixation. So a guy being aroused by another guy is not "normally" sexual but with someone who is gay it is. The only real issue with calling it a fetish is the connotation that follows the word that people will easily use to persecute people and as we all know lots of people love to run around and persecute minorities. So while it might realistically fit under the definition there is a lot of pushback against calling it "just" a fetish for good reasons. On the other hand age preference as a "fetish" is and should absolutely be considered one no matter how you feel about the content especially when it is about pre teens. There is a thin line between fictional content and CSAM and there is no way to produce the latter with consent in a non harmful way which is why its illegal pretty much globally. While there should be a safe bit of leeway and recognition that fantasy is fantasy the reality is that for many people the line will blur or disappear completely so it can not be "normalized" to the same degree as something like being gay is. EVERYONE with that particular fetish should realize that and come to terms with it because the only person that will keep you in line is you and everyone needs to set boundries and know when to get help. The situation is just like drinking or gambling. In the right doses with the right environment they are fine but you can easily spiral out of control if you let yourslef go unchecked. And just like drinking or gambling if you are caught leering at underage people or proudly broadcasting your love of loli in public you absolutely deserve the weird looks and glances someone who is drunkedly staggering around in public does.

At the end of the day liking loli or having a preference for the underage is degeneracy to whatever varying degree that person has fallen into it. The only question is where the line for too far is placed and if that is fair for everyone and even more importantly safe. People are always so quick to pass judgement on fetishes and treat them all as some kind of binary question of right or wrong when the reality for much of it is that its a very complex question without an actual answer. You will have people dragging a gallows around ready to hang people for thought crime because they like loli and you will have people saying its perfectly normal and it should be legal to marry 6 year olds. It is not an either or question and like most things the actual answer is in some nebulous area in the middle with a lot of variables to consider.

I for one believe that much of the laws currently in the US as far as how they are enforced are in a pretty good space though that varies depending on state. There are also many laws that are on the books that could directly ban loli and the like entirely but they are very vague and there is no precedent and they have not been challenged so its a wash really. There is no question though that even the pure fantasy loli content is potentially harmful if in an indirect gateway drug kind of way though i would be hesitant to make it a direct comparison. The whole subject is incredibly complicated as anything relating to society and free will is. Its not something someone can hash out and solve or even claim to fully understand even with a years worth of research.

Why the fuck do i always stumble into these long winded pseudo philosophy posts? I need to stop.

 

[StapleComm]

Not sure about calling age preference a fetish. Feels like calling being gay a fetish. Otherwise couldn't have said it better myself.

I think it depends? Liking lolis can be a fetish if it's just fictional and doesn't carry over to irl

 

[EmDotRand]

In this particular situation (i.e. talking about people's interests in NSFW games and why they will or won't check out games), I think it's fairly close to analogous. The posters constantly asking about their particular fetish are not at all interested in a game unless it's there - for them, it essentially becomes an all-important selling point, just as general gay content does for those who are interested in only that kind of content. "Fetish" in this sense would be the older and more traditional meaning sense of the word, i.e. an obsession that is required for appeal and gratification, not simply "this is one of the things I especially like" (which should really just be called a "kink", but the two have been conflated with one another over time). I certainly do not intend for fetishes and attraction to under-age people or characters to be considered analogous in any way outside of this very specific thread of discussion.

Despite your intention, I have to know from where this "traditional" usage originated from. As I researched the origins of the word, I was swiftly reminded of my disdain for dictionaries, or rather the prescriptive nature often attributed to them rather than the intended descriptions of written word. Simultaneously I cursed my younger self for not stopping my parents from trashing thier massive 18th century dictionary.

Perhaps you can expedite my search? The early references to the word fetish describes it as an object of worship or an idol, albeit with varying spellings such as fetich and degrees of derogatory connotation depending on the source (McMillain's

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[pg 188/196 in the archive] from 1911, Webster's

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[pg 742/750] from 1882).

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Why the fuck do i always stumble into these long winded pseudo philosophy posts? I need to stop.

I actually like seeing other's perspectives unfiltered like this. It's refreshing being reasoned with rather than being dismissed as a monster that needs to be imprisoned or put down. What am I talking about? Well...

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I for one believe that much of the laws currently in the US as far as how they are enforced are in a pretty good space though that varies depending on state. There are also many laws that are on the books that could directly ban loli and the like entirely but they are very vague and there is no precedent and they have not been challenged so its a wash really. There is no question though that even the pure fantasy loli content is potentially harmful if in an indirect gateway drug kind of way though i would be hesitant to make it a direct comparison. The whole subject is incredibly complicated as anything relating to society and free will is. Its not something someone can hash out and solve or even claim to fully understand even with a years worth of research.

There's no evidence contradicting or supporting your notion of potential harm from loli content. The ony litterature I have related to the topic is a

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, the latter of which is glorified opinion piece and both suggest that these could be a possible outlet if it weren't for legislation banning them is several counties and states. Despite police not usually enforcing it consistantly, the fact that loli (and child-like sex dolls) is illeagal in some states gives an excuse for payment prossesors like Mastercard to completly bar anyone associated, making it significantly harder to earn a living with loli elements even in places where it's legal. I'd go on but this is tazing my attention span and Ban Hammer of Damocles keeps threatening to drop.

 

[Zaky0909]

Hello anyone got a full save of this game with all quests completed
Note: mc is male & all other npc's are females

 

[Amhran]

Despite your intention, I have to know from where this "traditional" usage originated from. As I researched the origins of the word, I was swiftly reminded of my disdain for dictionaries, or rather the prescriptive nature often attributed to them rather than the intended descriptions of written word. Simultaneously I cursed my younger self for not stopping my parents from trashing thier massive 18th century dictionary.

"Traditional" probably wasn't the right word, because all of this is still fairly new and I doubt it'd be reflected in an 18th century dictionary. But you can easily find the meaning I intended if you do a simple "fetishes vs kinks" google search, it'll turn up various institutions, therapists, and websites talking about it and complaining about how people conflate fetish with kink:

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The top links on the first page of google about it. But you can find your definition in addition to others - one which I just came across a few times from random posters, for example, is

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, inexplicable attraction to that which would normally be considered inherently non-sexual (such as innocuous objects or even certain parts of the body, like feet). I don't think conflating fetishes with paraphilia is a particularly good idea (though I'd say one could obviously have paraphiliac kinks or fetishes, of course), but nevertheless, I see people commonly think the two are the same. In other words, language is a bunch of bullshit and you have to figure out what people mean by looking at the whole of what they're saying and how they're saying it rather than simply taking their words literally as you'd find them in a dictionary. Same as it ever was, huh?

I wish there were easy fixes or even mildly workable solutions to some of the disorders people helplessly find themselves with...be it yours, or attraction to animals, or the various types of body dysphorias, or any other. Such is not our lot in life, unfortunately.

 

[MRN64]

Language always has been and always will be a nebulous concept shaped by its cultural and regional usage. Words will drastically change meaning based simply on their inflection and arbitrarily over time for little to no reason other than people start using it differently for seemingly no reason. The only time you can ever dive into "concrete" definitions is in the sciences where there are entire jobs that set about to create absolute meanings for words but even that is its own can of worms especially when a bunch of morons dip their hands into the pie like with how modern science has decoupled sex and gender so they are no longer synonymous. Its not "rewriting scientific history" its just changing the knowledge base based on new concepts we have grown to understand better over the 60 year old texts a bunch of bible thumpers keep quoting to justify their bigotry. If we never "rewrote scientific history" we would still be quoting the old greek philosophers and the bible about how the sun orbits the earth because changing what we already "know" is evil and wrong.

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And this entire story right here is exactly the kind of points i was trying to make in a lot of ways and points out one of the major flaws with the whole situation as a whole. Currently there is such a stigma around the whole thing that any and all discussions about it in any form leads to major problems. I will argue till im blue in the face that SOME stigma is a good thing and should be encouraged TO A DEGREE but there also needs to be enough compassion and understanding so that the people affected by living under that stigma can still exist in society. There shouldnt be any guilt or punishment for someone seeking help for basically anything. I will also be the first to say that being attracted to actual children is absolutely something that should not happen and should cause someone to feel shame but to overtly punish someone for something they have little to no control over that hasnt lead to harm to anyone is a bridge way too far. It sickens me more to know that people who deal with this are actively persecuted than to know that they exist which i believe is the only truly sane position to have on the subject. This is reality though and much of the reason i was so set on saying that people need to own up to themselves and police themselves is BECAUSE of situations like this. Sometimes you cant be open and sometimes you have to hide things for your own safety which is why knowing your own limits and keeping yourself out of trouble and out of the spotlight is the #1 priority.

The problem is that the stigma society places on many things is too heavy a cross to bear and it is a sad thing to see. Also any "professional" that breaks patient confidentiality should no longer be a professional.

 

[okamisamy]

they suggested I either get an adult hooker (Tried it. Not the same.),

what do you mean not the same? if you actually had sex with a child somehow and now got addicted then yes you are a monster as people say and I advise you to stop consuming porn all together + no mastbation and complete isolation for a year or two I'm not joking you should Treat it like any other addiction You need to be stronger if you ever want a chance to a happy ending whether this life or the next that's what i would do The most important thing is that you keep trying and never give up, and your intention and struggle will surely be rewarded you probably know all what i said but I said anyway to remind you

May we all be better men

 

[EmDotRand]

what do you mean not the same? if you actually had sex with a child somehow and now got addicted then yes you are a monster as people say and I advise you to stop consuming porn all together + no mastbation and complete isolation for a year or two I'm not joking you should Treat it like any other addiction You need to be stronger if you ever want a chance to a happy ending whether this life or the next that's what i would do The most important thing is that you keep trying and never give up, and your intention and struggle will surely be rewarded you probably know all what i said but I said anyway to remind you

May we all be better men

Relax ya no fap evangelist. I simply meant I didn't get aroused by the hooker despite her best efforts. I specified "adult hooker" because I'm aware some parts of the world have underage prostitutes and didn't want people to assume the worst, yet you did anyway. However, you did perfectly demonstrate Amhran's point of language being a constant struggle to figure out each other's intentions, so I suppose your effort wasn't in vain.

Amhran MRN64 You two on the other hand have given me a lot to think about. I'll retreat for now, before anyone else messes up this interaction.

 

[ViviX12]

So anyway, can't wait until we can be fucked by several wolves at once in game