The translator is a type of program called an injector. The game files are fully stored in the .exe, therefore that's the best way to apply the translation since there are no archives to interact with. The way injectors interact with .exe files is always going to trigger antivirus programs, because actual viruses use the same functionality. There's nothing you can do about that.
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Alright, finally got the other ending for this game.
Its a nice little souls-like, the lewdness being avoidable is probably convenient for some and apart from the controls being a bit hard to deal with (I had to switch to using controller to make use of a certain moveset more reliably) its still a good time. Looking forward to whatever Fullflap puts out next.
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nezumitori
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Thank you for being descriptive about how the translator works!
I do kinda wish that I know how to make Windows Defender permit specific programs instead of permitting threats i.e. virus types, which is very peculiar, but it's pretty hard to ask around anywhere with actual answers, people commonly shrug the issue because windows this and that.
You can, go to virus and threat protection settings, manage settings, exclusions, and select file. Then you can just navigate to the injector and add that specifically.
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While I don't intend to defend anything here, understand that the term "Trojan", when it comes to viruses, was picked for a reason. It literally means "to infiltrate stealthily". Unfortunately, it's the same pattern used by auto translation programs as well who piggyback on the .exe file and inject translation layer turning JP text to EN in real time.
The gentleman above me seems to not understand that virus scanners have no way to know that. They don't "play" what you feed them to ascertain what the purpose of the exe is. They just read symptoms.
Rest of-course is your call. It's your computer. Do what you want.
But if someone actually wants to learn how to look for signs of true or false positives, while not 100% guaranteed way, you can figure out some clues. For example, take this AV scan 2 posts above me:
Either way, rest is upto you as the user. Use your own brain to find the right answer or just trust some tool make the call for you.
The gentleman above me seems to not understand that virus scanners have no way to know that. They don't "play" what you feed them to ascertain what the purpose of the exe is. They just read symptoms.
- Is the .exe untouched? Nope. => Reality: Modified to run in tandem with translation software
- Is their another command affecting the exe being scanned? Yep. => Reality: Telling the game to run the text for translation before displaying.
- Is this command sending data to another web source? Yep. => Reality: Pinging GoogleTranslate/DeepL for translation requests.
- Are we sure it's a virus? Nope, but it's suspicious behavior. => Reality: I can't be sure because I can't see. But, if it quacks like a duck, and I hear wings fluttering, it's most likely a duck, so might as well say it's a virus just to be on the safe side.
Rest of-course is your call. It's your computer. Do what you want.
But if someone actually wants to learn how to look for signs of true or false positives, while not 100% guaranteed way, you can figure out some clues. For example, take this AV scan 2 posts above me:
- First thing, the gentleman ran the entire package through the scanner. EVEN IF the game had legitimate virus, we have no idea what section had the virus. For all we know, all of it is a virus, or just one file is.
- Second, look at Popular Threat Label: trojan.cheating.engine/inject2. You really don't need to be a data scientist to figure out what that means. Anyone with a basic English comprehension can figure out that the most likely ping by the scanners are that of a cheat engine that is injecting code into the game. Cheating Engine =/= Virus. At least not most of the time. There are better, more easier ways, to telemetry a wormware into a system.
- Speaking of scanners, isn't it odd that only 22 out of 63- less than half of the scanners, ACTUALLY pinged a hit? That's odd, no? Considering how AV databases are globally shared, it makes little sense for something as old as 2019, has a virus that still hasn't been added on the collective threat base?
- Finally, look at the so called "Anti Virus Scanners". Just look at their names. While I haven't used a dedicated anti virus in years(Linux user here who doesn't put my digital dick in random websites and software), it's very odd that I can't view most of the tried and tested giants of the AV world on the red list. The only ones I'm familiar with are ESET, Microsoft, Symantec and for some absurd reason Google? Since when they did start fielding consumer level AVs?
Either way, rest is upto you as the user. Use your own brain to find the right answer or just trust some tool make the call for you.
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nezumitori
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You know what, I'm kind of surprised the constant monthly discourse of lurkers or newcomers come by and get heavily surprised by the AV flags this game's patch has, and it made this thread into a page or more of a blitz cybersecurity class.
I was attempting to strongly beat my meat to the juiciest plump female knights getting ravaged by a magical slime that can shoot blobs of sperm inside her that bloated her chubby body (+150 sperm count yay) and when I get here now I get some surprisingly easy to learn knowledge about how antiviruses and trojan programs work. Never in my life I witness such great amount of awareness and technological information while being sinned for touching myself looking at pixelated monster sex.
I was attempting to strongly beat my meat to the juiciest plump female knights getting ravaged by a magical slime that can shoot blobs of sperm inside her that bloated her chubby body (+150 sperm count yay) and when I get here now I get some surprisingly easy to learn knowledge about how antiviruses and trojan programs work. Never in my life I witness such great amount of awareness and technological information while being sinned for touching myself looking at pixelated monster sex.
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Honestly, we'd all be doing that, if only the game wasn't build on an overly complicated game engine that drove all the translation devs, who valued their sanity, away. Instead of a simple EN patch that you would slap on a game like most games, we got stuck with this "try hard real time" translation system that makes most digital tourists squirm after downloading it. If not for their AVs screaming, it's folks who can't figure out how to run the game.
And thanks to all that, we now hold cyber security basics and play guide classes every 2 pages here.
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Yeah it's a drawback on its own for the game engine to not be something familiar and moddable, but also kudos for the devs to actually make an engine that runs the game so optimized they even have their game to be less than 200 MB to have so much playable and fappable content, especially for a full-fledged artist that is more busy drawing BBW in their ci-en and pixiv than actually developing games; even with only one mob doing bulging and, if lucky, some cumflation too.
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Id have to argue, that plenty of auto translated games DONT throw these warnings... so if its just translation app issue... fix it before putting it out there. Most other auto translated games seem to have fixed it.
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You have a very valid point. But you're also forgetting that not all devs are created equal. Nor are they all a business charging you for their services. Some are proficient amateurs while others cobble together things just to make it work. They're not at your beck and call to satisfy your security demands. They made something and they shared. Their "voluntary" task ended there.
If you expect devs to fix the things that aren't affecting the gameplay..- well, I remember this one RPGMV game that started getting virus reports from the players and ALL of them were from Windows Defender users only. The game itself was running fine and no issues reported from other AVs. Turned out they were false positives because Microsoft flagged the .nwjs file that powered the RPGMV engine as virus, JUST BECAUSE it was an older version. Now understandably older softwares do have unpatched vulnerabilities sometimes, but in this case there were none, and the studio was only using an older version cause it had backwards compatibility. Reporting it to Microsoft continuously obviously fell on deaf ears cause they needed every reason in the playbook to push users to abandon XP/Win7.
Long story short, they had to update nwjs to newer standard and that broke compatibility with Windows 7 and older systems. But the dev team had no choice. It was either that or scare players away due to virus alerts, even though there were none.
Like I said before, it's your computer, do what feels right to you. If a bunch of AVs throw virus alerts at you but when you look for specifics, most of them flag their results as "Gen" short for Generic a.k.a "I do not know what or if anything is wrong exactly, but trust me bro",- and you think that's good enough all the time, then power to you, my dude.
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Do I need to clear newgame+ in order to get【Old Key】to open the last chest at the main base 2F? I discovered everthing but that one cursed door with a chest behind it. I wanna play Shin Sei Den already but refused until I cleared this game. No one seems to having trouble getting it? made me looked like a retard. Ugh.