Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.16b] [Zetan]
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- Oct 4, 2022
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This game is pretty fucking good but MC needs to get humbled once in a while.
Until then, i cant take this game seriously, especially when it advertises as a story game.
Cant get immersed knowing nothing ever close to being bad will happen. Such wasted pontential of a good stories. With this game its always a happy ending, like some fairy tales writing for children. What has MC ever lost or had to sacrifice, nothing. The story isnt and never will be that deep. Not even a scratch when hes having battles.
Until then, i cant take this game seriously, especially when it advertises as a story game.
Cant get immersed knowing nothing ever close to being bad will happen. Such wasted pontential of a good stories. With this game its always a happy ending, like some fairy tales writing for children. What has MC ever lost or had to sacrifice, nothing. The story isnt and never will be that deep. Not even a scratch when hes having battles.
- Dec 1, 2017
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You mean the main character always seems to win? Perish the thought. That's not like 90% of all storytelling or anything...
But I guess what you're saying is the MC's plight is too effortless? And I can understand that to a point. But then again, I think the appeal of this game is power fantasy, which means having the MC have setbacks takes away and undermines that power fantasy. Not that it can't and shouldn't be done, but it needs to be well placed and set up a redemption/avenging of the loss in an epic way.
On the other hand, you seem to reveal in trying to get this MC humiliated, so I could be reading your point wrong.
Either way, my take is, it's meant to be power fantasy, so setbacks should be few and far between.
- Oct 4, 2022
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Ah you're right. I never quite looked at the literal meaning. POWER and FANTASY, its a literal fantasy of being in power of everything, idk why i kept thinking it should be somewhat normal. But even Superman gets punched few times in the face and is not invincible.
But then, this would suck for the story, wouldnt you agree. How do you write a quality story out of it knowing MC never loses. Maybe this isnt my cup of tea, idk.
I think its lame, at least when it comes to real story.
Like, how do you get on the edge of the seat during battle or epic moments, you dont, cuz he never lose.
I enjoyed watching game of thrones cuz anyone could get killed, but some had plot armor from the very first episode. It was still pretty epic.
But whatever man, its a porn game i shouldnt be reading too much into this shit
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At the end of the day, even if superman get a few punches he wins, this game provides that sensation of win, but there is no real "need" to be a harash or something bad have to happend to be a good to be a good history, this history have a plot, but to have a plot you don't have to mandatory make the MC suffer or get in despair or get defeated all the time. It all depends on how you want to create or tell your history. It doesn't always have to be something bad, just something that oposses the principal character that we are following. There are a lot of movies and genres, if we talk about superman the plot takes part in something bad happend and let's see how superman resolves the problem. Like that there are other genres where you follow something interesting or want to hear a history. There are a lot of history to take and in my oppinion the way this is showed its perfect.
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Even though "DS" has a very interesting lore, I almost completely lost the desire to engage in a new gameplay.
The protagonist is so Marty Stu that I can't feel challenged by any of the game's choices. MC is the male equivalent of Rey from Star Wars.
The protagonist is so Marty Stu that I can't feel challenged by any of the game's choices. MC is the male equivalent of Rey from Star Wars.
- Oct 4, 2022
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I see what you saying. Its kinda hard to explain, but i feel something is off. Maybe its too early yet to say for sure. Its up to dev to tell a story however they want but in my opinion story suffers when everything becomes predictable. I guess everyone has their own way of telling a story. Mine would be some sort of challenge, which doesnt happen in here MC is always capable of everything hence power fantasy i guess, cant argue there. Also the character development, MCs only traits are being ALPHA lol.
I also cant find many things to discuss from this game, a good story always keeps us guessing and coming up with our own theories which i dont see much in here.
Which is why in my opinion power fantasy hurts it. In my opinion drama genres are literal kings of stories. Power fantasy works well with porn i guess, fitting his character being alpha and dominant during sex scenes
- Dec 1, 2017
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I think the MC has traits other than ALPHA. He's obviously either honorable in the way he treats his enemies or he's ruthless. He also loves and protects his family. He also either elevates his slaves or keeps them at a distance and uses them depending the choices.
What I WILL agree with you on is that there isn't much of a plot to the game yet other than Stalkers do Stalker things and it's dangerous and they have lots of sex. I wouldn't mind more of a focused story to go along with the world.
- Dec 1, 2017
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You're not all that wrong when it comes to the story and choices. The choices are not meant to be right or wrong. The choices are meant to tailor the world and the MC to how you want to see the world. And yes, he is "all powerful" for all intents and purposes but the difference between this and Rey Mary Sue SW is that we're meant to be the MC shaping the world, not being told a story that's supposed to keep us entertained that's really just boring fan fiction.
As I said above, I would love a more engaging, focused story, which could be done in the world, and maybe that's yet to come. Right now it is merely small nuggets inside the world building that don't go very far yet.
1. Shani's development as a Stalker.
2. The mutant's plight to gain a place.
3. The "zombie" threat of the decayed.
It's all part of the world but not a super compelling story just yet.
- Jul 10, 2017
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Can you point at the ”could go either way” mad max movie where you thought the main character would perish? Can you point out, in any of the furiosa new mad max movie trailers, where you felt she was in any point in mortal danger she could not escape from? Can you pinpoint where survival stories get ”boring” because the protagonists ”keep surviving” ???
There are endings in this game. There are choices where MC looses his prize, there is a puzzle in the camp to conquer where MC has to be a politician and win the hearts before subjugating the minds. He either does it and end it on his terms or watch the other faction kill and plunder without his involvement. You choose.
The fact that strong protagonist movies keep her/him alive throughout the story does not mean the story is bad or not entertaining.
MC can be a looser to the undead guys who rape and/or eat the fairy. MC can be humiliated by his poor choices. MC can lose something - of course MC cannot loose his life - that would end his story.
MC can be oblivious to the crass remarks or behavior of others - there is your humiliation - keep him inert if you like to have him eat all those up and just take it ”like a man” if that is where you want to take the main character in a post apocaliptic game where every mission means he could die or his peers could die or his prize would slip away or his fate might turn.
Most gamas have one protagonist they see through to the end - that is not bad writing or boring game play. Also, the fact MC does not start up like a little child slave to the empress who then hands him over to his mentor where he gets his rocks hardened into the fighter he is during gameplay - remember that Witcher games and movies never make it about his kid years struggles - those are carefully crafter flashbacks that build his resolve - this game builds MC up right in the first scene and then thrusts him into the man eating friend or foe dillema of doing business with man eaters. MC can also be seen as a coq in the war games of his former mentor and his empress moving him like a different chess piece on their game board - sometimes MC is the pawn, sometimes he is the rook, sometimes he is the king - those two show their scheming chops and how Mc has been built up into this game protagonist by the ruling parties who are now using him to his full potential in furthering their goals.
The fights are very hard and impactful scenes that build MC into the characters he is.
You can influence how those go - wanting to turn them into humiliation for MC - you can do that to the extent it makes him still a functioning loner Mad Max character who would make it back home in one piece.
You can have your humiliating moments if you need to play MC that way.
You enjoyed Prometheus that much for having David be literally dismembered and disemboweled only to have him as protagonist in the next movie? MC is not android - he cannot play possum thorugh getting mangled and turned into scrap - no supporting character would bring him back. MC is not a terminator like in some of the movies - even then, the sacrifice comes at the very end. This game is not at the end.
Those other characters show you the difference where MC shines for the plot to hug and follow him, as opposed to the other characters.
There are endings in this game. There are choices where MC looses his prize, there is a puzzle in the camp to conquer where MC has to be a politician and win the hearts before subjugating the minds. He either does it and end it on his terms or watch the other faction kill and plunder without his involvement. You choose.
The fact that strong protagonist movies keep her/him alive throughout the story does not mean the story is bad or not entertaining.
MC can be a looser to the undead guys who rape and/or eat the fairy. MC can be humiliated by his poor choices. MC can lose something - of course MC cannot loose his life - that would end his story.
MC can be oblivious to the crass remarks or behavior of others - there is your humiliation - keep him inert if you like to have him eat all those up and just take it ”like a man” if that is where you want to take the main character in a post apocaliptic game where every mission means he could die or his peers could die or his prize would slip away or his fate might turn.
Most gamas have one protagonist they see through to the end - that is not bad writing or boring game play. Also, the fact MC does not start up like a little child slave to the empress who then hands him over to his mentor where he gets his rocks hardened into the fighter he is during gameplay - remember that Witcher games and movies never make it about his kid years struggles - those are carefully crafter flashbacks that build his resolve - this game builds MC up right in the first scene and then thrusts him into the man eating friend or foe dillema of doing business with man eaters. MC can also be seen as a coq in the war games of his former mentor and his empress moving him like a different chess piece on their game board - sometimes MC is the pawn, sometimes he is the rook, sometimes he is the king - those two show their scheming chops and how Mc has been built up into this game protagonist by the ruling parties who are now using him to his full potential in furthering their goals.
The fights are very hard and impactful scenes that build MC into the characters he is.
You can influence how those go - wanting to turn them into humiliation for MC - you can do that to the extent it makes him still a functioning loner Mad Max character who would make it back home in one piece.
The scenes are a struggle, they are do or die - the mutant section is MC being a rag doll for the breed or being the toy for the leader - MC can overcome those obstacles or let them rail road him. You choose.
You can have your humiliating moments if you need to play MC that way.
MC has survival as his trait. Would Ripley dying half way through help any Alien movie?
You enjoyed Prometheus that much for having David be literally dismembered and disemboweled only to have him as protagonist in the next movie? MC is not android - he cannot play possum thorugh getting mangled and turned into scrap - no supporting character would bring him back. MC is not a terminator like in some of the movies - even then, the sacrifice comes at the very end. This game is not at the end.
MC gets to see and feel the chills of death in many instances. This is a do or die game. Of course MC comes out of the scuffle if this game is to go on. MC can turn into Omar or into Igor - if you want MC be humiliated, you can have him squander his good fortune into disheartening avenues.
Those other characters show you the difference where MC shines for the plot to hug and follow him, as opposed to the other characters.
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Could be worse...
It could be like professional comics where they reboot it with a new author every few years.
- Jun 26, 2017
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MC is not a Rey, he is not a fresh guy out of nowhere, he is a veteran and old in a setting where shitload of people die every time. Elf girl can die, Shani can die (game over), mutant girl can die in the tower. Who knows what is the consequence of breeding the long leg lady.
- Oct 4, 2022
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MC dying is not exactly what i was getting at.
Obviously if he dies its game over, there is no other protagonists to continue story other than Shani maybe. You would need multiple protagonist like in the survival drama walking dead had, you could always fear for the protagonists. Also you keep mentioning Mad Max movies, but why should they copy them and not come up with something original or unique, they could surely get inspired by them but i noticed few things they ripped off from or looked very similar or iconic. But anyways, thats not the point. My point would be, MC has no fear for his life, doesnt get hurt, doesnt show humility ( other than sparing the life of that slaver owner perhaps), game has no real sense of trouble like that one instance where Ain gets kidnaped but guess what, you can sit back and relax knowing nothing bad will ever happen, this is what i mean about story being predictable, you just know what happens the way they keep writing. Everything comes in his favor as always no matter what . Like if the Queen would punish him or get him in trouble if he shows up empty handed or fucks up the mission.
The worst she could do to him is spread her legs lol
But even RAMBO gets hurt and MC is not RAMBO. Is this all because its a power fantasy game?
Game overs are irrelavant to the story, they dont contribute anything.
They should have replaced game overs with maybe someone getting hurt and the story goes on.
Also MC doing quests for queen, raiders and mutants doesnt make him a fool or a pawn, what do you expect him to do instead?
Hes a Stalker and is meant to do these quests. I never got that sense that hes a pawn or fool, cuz he is doing his job, game makes it feel like its right thing to do and just.
Also if MC loses a prize he always get another one to replace it instead so hes not really at a lost, is he?
I havent really done mutants quests so i wouldnt know if they bully and stomp on him.
Also i havent seen instances where he keeps getting humiliated you keep talking about, maybe we have different views or something.
You could say MC kneeling and kissing Queens hand is humiliating but that is just mandatory to every queen out there in other movies as well. When i play this game i play it with a mindset that it has childrens writing as in nothing ever goes wrong, there is always happy ending no matter what. Mc never has to compromise anything or lose anything, hes always in control and nothing bad happens out of his control, but he only gains and take everything which keeps making him seem like hes invincible.
I would say the things are the way they are is cuz its a power fantasy, which is fine but then my main point is that it makes it look ridiculous for the story.
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- May 26, 2022
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The setting is about extremes. When the MC fails, people die. Shani, the elf, etc. it’s obvious you want some humiliation and not consequences. Also the MC is an elite in the setting. He’s a desert stalker. They’re few and far between and famed for their skill, of course he’s gonna be better than 99% of people he comes across. The only people on his level are other stalkers like his old master. The target audience for this game ain’t really about the humiliation and humbling of the MC. He’s a badass action hero and that’s the success of it. Can’t say people don’t like it or want it judging by the massive success of the game either
- Oct 4, 2022
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He fails because he wants to fail, nothing ever bad happens that he doesnt allow it in the first place. MC plays like a God in this universe. Its not that i want to humiliate him but to see him humbled and down to earth that he isnt as invincible as he may think he is. Even Thanos, Superman, Rambo and all the other badass people you can think of get shit on. It looks ridiculous to belive this delusion. But you said an interesting point hes a Stalker and theres barely anyone at his level. So far he has been fighting some peasants and havent had a real good challenge yet i guess. But i wouldnt be surprised once he faced and fought his old master that is now decayed that he defeats him without a scratch and effort lol
My man, stop all these long epistles. If you want a sissy MC, there are may on this platform and you'll get your fill. Most fans of this game are essentially tired of that shit (I am), so, just let it be.
- Oct 4, 2022
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Well its not like yall are discussing anything else at the moment. Other than oh wow Zahra big boobs!
Anyways, he can be all manly during sex scenes, it suits him. But when it comes to the story with everything i said before, whats your opinion on that. Are you actually enjoying it despite knowing its ridiculous
No, it's not ridiculous as far as porn story goes. I don't know where you get that from, many others and I are enjoying the game as you can tell by the reviews and number of views.