Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.16b] [Zetan]

[Gato21]

Well, I do have poll results that clearly show that a much higher percentage of the general player base self inserts than NTR fans.
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-do-...ay-games-with-a-third-person-mentality.89596/
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-ntr-fans-self-insert-roleplay-or-third-person.86527/

If you don't self insert, you are not gonna have a lot of emotional attachment, catharsis, or anything of the sort. It's simply just dark porn, where the situations are immoral and the elements of female corruption are high. Granted, you could still empathize and feel bad for the guy without self inserting, but these types of players still enjoy NTR (at least those that are choosing to play NTR games), though I find that they tend to prefer stories where the cucked guy comes out at least OK at the end, if not outright winning in some revenge ending. They also probably enjoy netorase more than standard NTR stuff.

If you do self insert, it's obviously gonna bring out strong emotional responses. A small percentage of NTR fans do thrive on those bad feelings by self inserting as the cucked MC. They enjoy that. And obviously, the overwhelming majority of non-NTR fans who self insert will blow a fuse when stuff like that happens to "them."

Obviously, self inserting NTR haters and non-self insert NTR enjoyers don't make up the whole player base. There are non-self inserters that just don't like fucked up stories, and the true cuck players that self insert in NTR. But clearly, at least in the NTR fandom, self inserting is the minority by a pretty big margin. It just makes sense intuitively too. Does it make more sense for people to enjoy increasingly fucked up porn stories as they get desensitized to vanilla over the years? Or do you think that the number of masochistic cuckold people in the world is high enough to explain the amount of NTR content produced and consumed? I'm thinking the former.

And before we get too sidetracked, Desert Stalker isn't really NTR or even netorase. It's just "alpha sharing" that is completely power fantasy instead of being thematically derived from cuckoldry or masochistic tendencies like in the typical netorase stories. And before someone loses it again, no, I'm not saying sharing is more alpha than not sharing in this game. It's just two ways to play the same character. MC is completely in control in both routes.

Nice data. Really interesting the discrepancy when it came to NTR fans. Maybe if there were polls on other controversial genres we could compare them and see if this holds true. I myself fall in the roleplay category, assuming its a first person game, but I have bad habit of gaming the system and trying to find the "best" path or "winning the game." If I have access I will even look at the variables in the code change them if they are not optimum. I am also a completionist, but have been getting better. Honestly, as I get older gaming feels more like work and I do a lot less of it.

 

[ksatnod]

I would really like to find out why they portray males at being shorter, smaller, yet have the males treat females with contempt? I want to know!! lol

My guess would be nostalgia mixed with wish fulfilment and wanting to validate the personality they perceive them selves to possess.

 

[Jorund]

OOOOps....Not the game I was thinking of either. Wow. I blew that one.

Possibly thinking of

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Cause i did ..

 

[punisher2099]

Terrible update.

The author is clearly tired.
I'm ending his support on patreon.

...You're going to end the devs support of their own game?

 

[desmosome]

Nice data. Really interesting the discrepancy when it came to NTR fans. Maybe if there were polls on other controversial genres we could compare them and see if this holds true. I myself fall in the roleplay category, assuming its a first person game, but I have bad habit of gaming the system and trying to find the "best" path or "winning the game." If I have access I will even look at the variables in the code change them if they are not optimum. I am also a completionist, but have been getting better. Honestly, as I get older gaming feels more like work and I do a lot less of it.

Yea, I forgot to mention the role players. I think your mentality while "gaming" makes sense. And if you treat VNs as games rather than a "story," sabotaging the MC seems counter intuitive.

I don't think anyone would contest the fact that NTR enjoyers are the minority of the general population. If we consider that self inserters will overwhelmingly be against NTR, and that role players generally don't like losing, the general distribution along the NTR divide makes sense. You're pretty much left with third person readers who are also enjoyers of depravity and corruption.

 

[Gato21]

Yea, I forgot to mention the role players. I think your mentality while "gaming" makes sense. And if you treat VNs as games rather than a "story," sabotaging the MC seems counter intuitive.

I don't think anyone would contest the fact that NTR enjoyers are the minority of the general population. If we consider that self inserters will overwhelmingly be against NTR, and that role players generally don't like losing, the general distribution along the NTR divide makes sense. You're pretty much left with third person readers who are also enjoyers of depravity and corruption.

I think that makes a lot of sense. I would give you a like, but I maxed my quota. I will remember to rectify it.

 

[WuzzyFuzzy]

Interesting, I guess I never noticed it or haven't played those games. Another thing I find interesting is the prevalence of incest in AVNs. Is that a founders effect i.e. prominent groundbreaking games featured it, so every dev feels the need to include it, or is it just reflecting society at large with the increase of sibling genre porn. Could it be an increase of single child households, so lack of aversion?
Edit: Sorry was Summertime saga main pro tag short? Then maybe I have.
Edit Edit: I did play a game where you are short ugly coach, but I thought that fit under the ugly bastard genre. Same kind of phenomenon still?

Yes, exactly. Why? In the end, it boils down to endorphins. What causes their release? We become addicted to them. After a while, we need more. So something taboo can trigger that effect in some folks...I suppose.

 

[cheesetriangles]

What's the alternate scene?

There is two scenes for Fairy. One where you treat her nice and heal her, one where you treat her like a slave but not totally an animal. There is also the path where you treat her like an animal and she mind breaks, but that is not actually a sex scene.

 

[Yngling]

Yes, exactly. Why? In the end, it boils down to endorphins. What causes their release? We become addicted to them. After a while, we need more. So something taboo can trigger that effect in some folks...I suppose.

I agree with this.

I would add that a VN is an excellent fit for taboo fetishes because the story takes such a central role.

An "incest" porn video, is about two people pretending to be family even though they are clearly not (even interracial incest porn seems to exist... ) and they spend about 5 minutes to try and sell you the taboo, and finally the rest of the video is vanilla sex.

NTR video's, I'm not sure if that exists, but cuckold porn is generally about a guy crying in the corner with his clothes on while the woman and the black are fucking.

Both examples come down to bad acting, bad casting and a complete lack of story. All of that is easily solved in a VN.

The only video I ever saw where I saw real jealousy is this one:

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But I think that this monkey brain explanation of NTR is just psychobabble.
Besides, I think that the entire alpha-beta male thing has been thoroughly discredited.

 

[Walter Victor]

Besides, I think that the entire alpha-beta male thing has been thoroughly discredited.

However, I don't believe it is possible to discredit the existence of sadists and masochists. After all, there are prostitutes who make good money catering to one or the other.

In all the posts I have read on this thread, I don't recall anyone addressing the issue of masochism when discussing NTR/cucking.

I'm going to regret writing this post. Oh well! If I'm lucky the moderators will delete it as being off-topic.

 

[Fiufia]

However, I don't believe it is possible to discredit the existence of sadists and masochists. After all, there are prostitutes who make good money catering to one or the other.

In all the posts I have read on this thread, I don't recall anyone addressing the issue of masochism when discussing NTR/cucking.

I'm going to regret writing this post. Oh well! If I'm lucky the moderators will delete it as being off-topic.

I don't think it's directly related. I imagine that many masochists don't like NTR /cucking and some might like it. but not because the 2 fetishes are related.

the moderator must already have read some interesting things that were posted and get a little more self awareness. i would hope

 

[tlxsneakerxtl]

Is there an update only for v0.12a?

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Well, I do have poll results that clearly show that a much higher percentage of the general player base self inserts than NTR fans.
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-do-...ay-games-with-a-third-person-mentality.89596/
https://f95zone.to/threads/poll-ntr-fans-self-insert-roleplay-or-third-person.86527/

If you don't self insert, you are not gonna have a lot of emotional attachment, catharsis, or anything of the sort. It's simply just dark porn, where the situations are immoral and the elements of female corruption are high. Granted, you could still empathize and feel bad for the guy without self inserting, but these types of players still enjoy NTR (at least those that are choosing to play NTR games), though I find that they tend to prefer stories where the cucked guy comes out at least OK at the end, if not outright winning in some revenge ending. They also probably enjoy netorase more than standard NTR stuff.

If you do self insert, it's obviously gonna bring out strong emotional responses. A small percentage of NTR fans do thrive on those bad feelings by self inserting as the cucked MC. They enjoy that. And obviously, the overwhelming majority of anti-NTR players who self insert will blow a fuse when stuff like that happens to "them."

Obviously, self inserting NTR haters and non-self insert NTR enjoyers don't make up the whole player base. There are non-self inserters that just don't like fucked up stories, and the true cuck players that self insert in NTR. But clearly, at least in the NTR fandom, self inserting is the minority by a pretty big margin. It just makes sense intuitively too. Does it make more sense for people to enjoy increasingly fucked up porn stories as they get desensitized to vanilla over the years? Or do you think that the number of masochistic cuckold people in the world is high enough to explain the amount of NTR content produced and consumed? I'm thinking the former.

And before we get too sidetracked, Desert Stalker isn't really NTR or even netorase. It's just "alpha sharing" that is completely power fantasy instead of being thematically derived from cuckoldry or masochistic tendencies like in the typical netorase stories. And before someone loses it again, no, I'm not saying sharing is more alpha than not sharing in this game. It's just two ways to play the same character. MC is completely in control in both routes.

I'm extremely suspicious of the responder's honesty though in those polls because 1 is a contentious subject and the other isnt.

It's like asking a group of women if they like to play tennis on weekends versus asking them if they regularly have one-night-stands on weekends. Without knowing anything about the group, the second set of responses will be much lower as there's a strong incentive not to be honest.

So I agree with your analysis with the modification of saying "But clearly, at least in the NTR fandom, players claiming they self insert is the minority by a pretty big margin."

And yes, I'm quite aware that Desert Stalker isn't ntr - I'm one of those that loathes that label and language, because I like swinging games and those get grouped in with garbage like 'my wife gets gangbanged by homeless men' - so when I refer to NTR here, it's for sake of brevity only.

You and me sound like birds of a feather. I remember playing Eve online or "spreadsheets in space" just stopping and asking myself what am I doing. I spent literally hours trying to optimize rockets in Kerbal space program, when I could make one big dumb rocket and be done with it. Even when it comes to AVN's I got my strategy to optimize cleaning of the DIKs frat, even though it gives you a wide margin to complete it. Satisfactory is on my list but dare not download it.

This put a huge smile on my face at the relatability, it just so happens you're talking to the Nocxium/Mexallon Baron of Dodixie, who's also immensely proud of his stock-vanilla mun-capable VTOL SSTO.

You know you're doing it right(?) when the planning stage takes 10 times longer than the actual task.

 

[Leon queen]

Why are the animations so inconsistent?
does this continue through out the whole game?

 

[Toram Eldin]

I remember seeing this a good while ago when it first came out and haven't really tried it since, but didn't the daughter look different before? I was wondering if anyone had an image of the first version of her, and also why she was changed.

 

[GokutheG]

I remember seeing this a good while ago when it first came out and haven't really tried it since, but didn't the daughter look different before? I was wondering if anyone had an image of the first version of her, and also why she was changed.

Ive just started the game myself so I can be wrong but there are 2 daughters. Which do you think had a redesign?

 

[Toram Eldin]

Ive just started the game myself so I can be wrong but there are 2 daughters. Which do you think had a redesign?

See, it's been so long that I thought there was only the one. And I mean the daughter at the start of the game. The big-breasted dark-haired one in the fourth pic of the preview images. Seems to me she wasn't as busty before and also had lighter hair. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like the dev did the same as the one from Picture Perfect and changed her because she looked too young maybe? I don't know.

 

[GokutheG]

See, it's been so long that I thought there was only the one. And I mean the daughter at the start of the game. The big-breasted dark-haired one in the fourth pic of the preview images. Seems to me she wasn't as busty before and also had lighter hair. I could be mistaken, but it seems to me like the dev did the same as the one from Picture Perfect and changed her because she looked too young maybe? I don't know.

That's Ain she mostly helps with the house.
Shani is the secondary MC and her dad's apprentice.

 

[Alfius]

heh...you guys are all youngsters. The first video game I played was Pong on a neighbor's Odyssey. The experience was much like listening to Bohemian Rhapsody for the first time...nothing's been quite the same since.

Lol, I had a ZX spectrum. Most of my games on there I had to buy a book with the source code of the game in the book. You then had to type out the source code on the Computer itself and run it (Hoping you did not make a typo) and viola!! you could now play a game!


*ooops! fixed a typo.

 

[Alfius]

On the risk of being OT, it was Harem Hotel.

Not everyone's cup of tea, but the two most powerful scenes from VNs I ever felt were from The Deluca Family and Leap of Faith. The scene in TDF was unlike anything I have ever experienced in any medium ever. Best romantic scene in a VN for me was from Big City Pleasures (The game itself is average to good, but that one scene was outstanding).

Sorry for derailing the thread, Desert Stalker is one of my favourite games on F95, so no shine should be taken from it.

I love DESERT STALKER!!
Thanks Dev