Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.19.4] [Zetan]

[Kellermann]

Actually sword fighting does not require a lot of strength. The sword does most of the work... And contrary to popular misconception, the vast majority of historical swords are not heavy to wield at all.

Speed, footwork and tactics are most important in sword fighting. Strength, size and body weight do help to some extent, but are not decisive.

In my experience, what swordswomen sometimes lack, when compared with men, is aggression. Not strength.

As long as Shani doesn't go to the ROP Galadriel school of swordfighting she should be ok.

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Thankfully, Shani seems to have much better training and does well in the role of a ninja over a brute force brawler.

 

[muschi26]

Incredible that a small team AVN like Desert Stalker is better written and has better fight scenes than a 1B mega production.

That's because small productions like this tend to have teams that actually care about their product beyond marketing concerns.

 

[Yngling]

Regarding sword fighting. Everything you said is correct although I would argue that size, strength, body weight are fairly decisive if something goes wrong and you aren't just using blades. In the grapple it could be crucial and you could say that's part of sword fighting. It comes with disadvantages too of course, I just think it was worth mentioning.

That's true. Grappling is important and strength is definitely an advantage there. On the other hand, small knives are very useful in grappling. That equalizes things again a bit.

If you have Armour the bigger cunt normally wins

Historical armour is not that heavy. And, given the tasks of a Stalker, I would not think that wearing a full plate harness all the time would be an advantage. It would be an advantage in large melee combat situations, but that's not really the job of a Stalker.

 

[Machete]

Actually sword fighting does not require a lot of strength. The sword does most of the work... And contrary to popular misconception, the vast majority of historical swords are not heavy to wield at all.

No, it doesn't, but it requires speed an reach, and of course, provided you are fighting very clean. In general phisical height tends to be an advantage in combat. Not unsurpassable, but still an advantage. Yet in an anctual fight you are not fighting neat and clean as in a sport, so a man that fights against a woman (provided it's not a tiny man against a bison of a woman) can apply a pletora of tricks to make the strengt advantage matter, from striking against her blade extra hard to rip it off or have her getting tired earlier, to grab her, to kick her in the stomach, to push her back...

That doesn't mean that women can't win a fight. We have plenty of documented historical events when women got into swordfights effectively.

 

[Yngling]

No, it doesn't, but it requires speed an reach, and of course, provided you are fighting very clean. In general phisical height tends to be an advantage in combat. Not unsurpassable, but still an advantage. Yet in an anctual fight you are not fighting neat and clean as in a sport, so a man that fights against a woman (provided it's not a tiny man against a bison of a woman) can apply a pletora of tricks to make the strengt advantage matter, from striking against her blade extra hard to rip it off or have her getting tired earlier, to grab her, to kick her in the stomach, to push her back...

That doesn't mean that women can't win a fight. We have plenty of documented historical events when women got into swordfights effectively.

That's not wrong but I think the main advantage of size is psychological. If your opponent is bigger, stronger and more aggressive (all things men are more likely to be, compared to women), you tend to get scared. Being confident in your abilities will help you to a certain extent. This confidence is something I think Shani is still lacking somewhat.

 

[PussyDelendaEst]

That's true. Grappling is important and strength is definitely an advantage there. On the other hand, small knives are very useful in grappling. That equalizes things again a bit.



Historical armour is not that heavy. And, given the tasks of a Stalker, I would not think that wearing a full plate harness all the time would be an advantage. It would be an advantage in large melee combat situations, but that's not really the job of a Stalker.

Yes knives/daggers could help, that's a good point. I'd still give it to the bigger man generally though in grappling, assuming he has a dagger too.

I didn't mean about the weight of the armour really you're 100% correct about that, just that if you have enough, you're a tank. The only way you'd be beaten is by grappling and thrusting into weak spots. Considering the weaponry in this world It would be incredibly effective. You raise a good point about the practicality of it though. Full plate harness would be not only difficult to obtain but not the best to lug around in all day. Still there's so many practical and cool types of metal armour (Or even Greek linothorax) that MC could get and would be useful for his job. Could even justify it by keeping a helmet/cuirass/greaves in his car and then putting it on when going into a zone or dangerous area.

and honestly, topic aside it would be nice if he had a sick Spartan (Corinthian) or Roman helmet

 

[Fiufia]

That is all true and nice. but you guys are forgetting a small detail MC is a horny guy and that is a big advantage for women.
let's just analyze the first fight of the game a girl like Asha would never have acted the way she act. She had bitten off the MC's dick and kill him while he screamed on the floor like a horny bitch

 

[muschi26]

That is all true and nice. but you guys are forgetting a small detail MC is a horny guy and that is a big advantage for women.
let's just analyze the first fight of the game a girl like Asha would never have acted the way she act. She had bitten off the MC's dick and kill him while he screamed on the floor like a horny bitch

IDK, would it have been worth it for her to bite off Zaton's dick, then get brutally tortured to death? Also, Asha seems to have a major submission fetish, so she was probably just as horny as Zaton.

 

[Fiufia]

IDK, would it have been worth it for her to bite off Zaton's dick, then get brutally tortured to death?

like in that situation she knew the MC wasn't going to kill her.

Also, Asha seems to have a major submission fetish, so she was probably just as horny as Zaton.

ofc she have (but only to the MC) this is a porn game. and that's exactly my point you guys are argue realism but only the realism that fits your taste

 

[muschi26]

like in that situation she knew the MC wasn't going to kill her.

I guess which option you choose depends on your personality, but “play nice and hope the guy in charge has mercy” offers a higher chance of survival than “bite dick off and hope to take him down with you”. Moreover, even if you’re guaranteed to die, trying to get on the guy's good side will probably lead him to make it as fast and painless as possible, whereas biting his dick off is basically asking him to make it really, really painful. (There's always the chance that he's a psycho sadist who'll torture you regardless, but you should probably forget that and play to your outs instead.)

ofc she have (but only to the MC) this is a porn game. and that's exactly my point you guys are argue realism but only the realism that fits your taste

That's true of any story, really: the only realism that's taken into consideration is the realism the author feels like putting in.

 

[Deleted member 872354]

That is all true and nice. but you guys are forgetting a small detail MC is a horny guy and that is a big advantage for women.
let's just analyze the first fight of the game a girl like Asha would never have acted the way she act. She had bitten off the MC's dick and kill him while he screamed on the floor like a horny bitch

I thought the exact same thing! The first time I played, I was expecting him to get bit and then die when choosing that option.

I mean how dumb can you get? Sticking it the mouth of a psycho that was just trying to kill you? Not smart kids.

 

[JaxMan]

Shani's style of stalker would be different from her father's. She would have to use her strengths and as several posts point out that could be stealth, mobility, quickness to avoid confrontations. Weapons of choice would be short blades in close and bows or throwing knives for range. Decayed, which might be her most common opponents aren't typically big from what I've seen. Raiders could pose a problem, but here she could use feminine wiles as a distraction to distract or even turn the males against each other to gain advantage. If one on one learning some type of judo moves could offset size disadvantage especially with concealed daggers or stilettos. Light armor like the suit the MC gave her or something like what Ivy stole would give some protection and not hinder stealth, mobility and quickness. Anyway, interesting discussion.

 

[PussyDelendaEst]

I thought the exact same thing! The first time I played, I was expecting him to get bit and then die when choosing that option.

I mean how dumb can you get? Sticking it the mouth of a psycho that was just trying to kill you? Not smart kids.

Risky but didn't he have his sword in hand? I mean the second she uses teeth she's got a blade in her.

 

[Fiufia]

I guess which option you choose depends on your personality, but “play nice and hope the guy in charge has mercy” offers a higher chance of survival than “bite dick off and hope to take him down with you”. Moreover, even if you’re guaranteed to die, trying to get on the guy's good side will probably lead him to make it as fast and painless as possible, whereas biting his dick off is basically asking him to make it really, really painful. (There's always the chance that he's a psycho sadist who'll torture you regardless, but you should probably forget that and play to your outs instead.)

come on man I know I gave a completely ridiculous example to the game's story but is a realistic scenario. and that was the intention.
Why are you being so defensive? trying to prove the opposite.
really? girl always lived like shit in apocalyptic world her whole life fighting to survive seeing ppl dying/being kill around her plus she is a fighter/killer.
and you're giving me all this talk like it doesn't make sense for her to fight until the end. and it's more realistic for her to act like a scared little girl. sure is better for the game but definitely not realistic at all

That's true of any story, really: the only realism that's taken into consideration is the realism the author feels like putting in.

true but I don't know what your point

 

[Deleted member 872354]

Risky but didn't he have his sword in hand? I mean the second she uses teeth she's got a blade in her.

I think you're right. He might have had a blade handy. Still... will he have the mental clarity to be able to use that when his guy parts have just been bitten off? Either way I consider it, it's just a bad idea to stick it in crazy's mouth.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I think you're right. He might have had a blade handy. Still... will he have the mental clarity to be able to use that when his guy parts have just been bitten off? Either way I consider it, it's just a bad idea to stick it in crazy's mouth.

Totally worth it in this game, though. The Raider sluts have some of the hottest scenes.

 

[PussyDelendaEst]

I think you're right. He might have had a blade handy. Still... will he have the mental clarity to be able to use that when his guy parts have just been bitten off? Either way I consider it, it's just a bad idea to stick it in crazy's mouth.

I'd say so if we're being realistic. People can be shot/stabbed and still operate immediately on adrenaline. Not all though so it's possible she could have grabbed his sword or something.

and shiiit mate sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do

 

[muschi26]

really? girl always lived like shit in apocalyptic world her whole life fighting to survive seeing ppl dying/being kill around her plus she is a fighter/killer.
and you're giving me all this talk like it doesn't make sense for her to fight until the end. and it's more realistic for her to act like a scared little girl. sure is better for the game but definitely not realistic at all

I might be wrong about this, but my impression was that Asha is very dependent on Kyra for her status. Other raiders don't touch her because Kyra is their leader, and she's her sister; they don't necessarily respect her on her own merits. Moreover, judging from the fact that raiders typically go for easy targets, it's possible that her encounter with Zaton was the first time Asha experienced real resistance. The raider trio even seem to acknowledge that they've never faced a stalker and don't know what he's capable of, and it's only after Hazim eggs them on that they actually decide to risk it and fight.

Also, again, biting Zaton's dick off would be guaranteed death. It's not because someone is used to killing and seeing people die around them that they value their own lives any less.

true but I don't know what your point

My point is that even if it's convenient for Asha to turn fully submissive the moment she encounters unforeseen adversity, it's not less realistic. People can have different reactions to the same situation—another person in Asha's situation might have fought to the bitter end, and yet another person might have tried to bargain another way (kind of like Asani does); all these reactions are normal, equally “valid” human reactions. Therefore, it's not a problem if the storyteller chooses to use the one most conducive to the story they want to tell.

As an example, the story of Othello only works because Othello is distrustful and prone to anger. Hamlet only works because Hamlet himself is an indecisive nervous wreck. Indeed, if you switched the two characters, basically every problem in each story would resolve itself instantly. Yet, because both these characters are believable people, and Shakespeare was looking to write tragedies, it's perfectly acceptable for the angry one to end up in the narrative where anger causes the tragedy, and the nervous one to end up in the narrative where indecision causes the tragedy: it's simply Shakespeare utilizing different real human personas in order to tell the stories he wants to tell.

IDK if I worded that clearly enough. If not, sorry.

 

[Nulldev]

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really? girl always lived like shit in apocalyptic world her whole life fighting to survive seeing ppl dying/being kill around her plus she is a fighter/killer.
and you're giving me all this talk like it doesn't make sense for her to fight until the end. and it's more realistic for her to act like a scared little girl. sure is better for the game but definitely not realistic at all
...

Girl is a fighter yes, who just got slapped around, got a concussion, saw her friend killed, saw that the black girl survived and all around lost a 3 vs 1 fight.
She is a fighter, not an idiot.

 

[Fiufia]

I might be wrong about this, but my impression was that Asha is very dependent on Kyra for her status. Other raiders don't touch her because Kyra is their leader, and she's her sister; they don't necessarily respect her on her own merits. Moreover, judging from the fact that raiders typically go for easy targets, it's possible that her encounter with Zaton was the first time Asha experienced real resistance. The raider trio even seem to acknowledge that they've never faced a stalker and don't know what he's capable of, and it's only after Hazim eggs them on that they actually decide to risk it and fight.

Also, again, biting Zaton's dick off would be guaranteed death. It's not because someone is used to killing and seeing people die around them that they value their own lives any less.



My point is that even if it's convenient for Asha to turn fully submissive the moment she encounters unforeseen adversity, it's not less realistic. People can have different reactions to the same situation—another person in Asha's situation might have fought to the bitter end, and yet another person might have tried to bargain another way (kind of like Asani does); all these reactions are normal, equally “valid” human reactions. Therefore, it's not a problem if the storyteller chooses to use the one most conducive to the story they want to tell.

As an example, the story of Othello only works because Othello is distrustful and prone to anger. Hamlet only works because Hamlet himself is an indecisive nervous wreck. Indeed, if you switched the two characters, basically every problem in each story would resolve itself instantly. Yet, because both these characters are believable people, and Shakespeare was looking to write tragedies, it's perfectly acceptable for the angry one to end up in the narrative where anger causes the tragedy, and the nervous one to end up in the narrative where indecision causes the tragedy: it's simply Shakespeare utilizing different real human personas in order to tell the stories he wants to tell.

IDK if I worded that clearly enough. If not, sorry.

too much text to read it all but