Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.19.4] [Zetan]

[OnlyNeverNow]

I'm guessing he's referring to that scene of MC having the option to face-fuck and fuck and cum in the raider girl when she's unconscious in his house's basement.
The Raider girl is okay with what he did (only saying "asshole"), so not really sure it can be considered rape.

Having said that, I'm not too fond of engaging in sex when a LI character isn't conscious so never picked it for my canon playthrough.

Eh, being "ok" with it after it's already happened isn't really the same as consent. You literally start fucking her without her permission since she's unconscious and then, what's she gonna do, say "hey stop that! bad stalker!" and he's gonna stop?

And the intro scene, you kill the raider girl's two friends, bash her face open against a rock, then piss down her throat... but there's one line where she nods that she's "probably looking forward to it" so it's cool

In the newest update,

Spoiler: Queen Dom path

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Anywho, I'm not complaining, far from it, just genuinely amused at the splitting hairs needed there.


Like, I wonder if you have a game where a poor girl is getting gangfucked by 30 goblins while she's begging them to stop and let her go home to her husband and kids, but then there's one random screen in the middle where everyone turns blank-faced to the camera and says "By the way, I consent to all sexual activity that occurs in this story WINK," if you'd get away with it as far as Patreon is concerned.

 

[Kellermann]

Eh, being "ok" with it after it's already happened isn't really the same as consent. You literally start fucking her without her permission since she's unconscious and then, what's she gonna do, say "hey stop that! bad stalker!" and he's gonna stop?

And the intro scene, you kill the raider girl's two friends, bash her face open against a rock, then piss down her throat... but there's one line where she nods that she's "probably looking forward to it" so it's cool

In the newest update,

Spoiler: Queen Dom path

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Anywho, I'm not complaining, far from it, just genuinely amused at the splitting hairs needed there.


Like, I wonder if you have a game where a poor girl is getting gangfucked by 30 goblins while she's begging them to stop and let her go home to her husband and kids, but then there's one random screen in the middle where everyone turns blank-faced to the camera and says "By the way, I consent to all sexual activity that occurs in this story WINK," if you'd get away with it as far as Patreon is concerned.

That's true. I would just say that this game's target audience probably isn't people who are enamored with the "narrative" in modern Hollywood cinema, DC comics, and mainstream AAA games. I love that this game can be offensive and pushes boundaries. It must also be said that you (the player) don't have to do any of these ultra heinous acts. You can opt out of just about all of the horrible things that the Stalker may do. I, of course, take every opportunity to be an evil bastard.

It always amuses me when I see outraged people (not you but in general) posting things like, "I can't believe Stalker beats down a hostile raider girl, forces her to swallow the meat sword, and pisses all over her" when you have to actively select those options to see them. You can just as easily be merciful...but they never are. Odd isn't it? I think they like choosing those options and being evil a little more than they want to admit, to themselves or to the forum.

 

[JJJ84]

Eh, being "ok" with it after it's already happened isn't really the same as consent. You literally start fucking her without her permission since she's unconscious and then, what's she gonna do, say "hey stop that! bad stalker!" and he's gonna stop?

And the intro scene, you kill the raider girl's two friends, bash her face open against a rock, then piss down her throat... but there's one line where she nods that she's "probably looking forward to it" so it's cool

In the newest update,

Spoiler: Queen Dom path

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Anywho, I'm not complaining, far from it, just genuinely amused at the splitting hairs needed there.


Like, I wonder if you have a game where a poor girl is getting gangfucked by 30 goblins while she's begging them to stop and let her go home to her husband and kids, but then there's one random screen in the middle where everyone turns blank-faced to the camera and says "By the way, I consent to all sexual activity that occurs in this story WINK," if you'd get away with it as far as Patreon is concerned.

Well, the Raider girl could have resisted (despite him being inside her), like all rape victim would, stuggling, kicking and screaming, but if I'm remembering correctly when she realizes MC is fucking her, she rolls her eyes (being a bit annoyed) saying "Well, you're into it already, might as well finish it."
I'm not saying what Stalker does there (if that option is chosen) is an okay thing to do. Far from it.

I'm definitely not keen on my MC acting like that so I just woke her up without doing anything (same goes for the prisoner scene, I opted to leave when Queen said I should fuck the prisoner as punishment), yet with that raider girl scene, the girl just doesn't react to it like a rape victim.

Perhaps the reason is because it's something that she experienced as raiders and how they live, or doing something like that is perfectly acceptable in game's universe in terms of the customs etc (how incest is a totally okay thing in this world, compared to how it is viewed in most counties in modern day).

That's just my interpretation of it. It's definitely not viewed as consent in our real world, but in MC's world it could possibly interpreted as it is (can't really comment much on the prisoner bit though, since I don't remember it well lol).

 

[Spfjolietjake]

The raider admits that kink gets her off. Also she is crazy and most importantly fictional.

 

[Hildegardt]

I would just say that this game's target audience probably isn't people who are enamored with the "narrative" in modern Hollywood cinema, DC comics, and mainstream AAA games. I love that this game can be offensive and pushes boundaries.

Unlike Hollywood cinema, DC comics, and mainstream AAA games this game is just trying to make your peepee tingle. These kinks are literally just there to fap to, not to push boundaries. Don't overthink it.

If this forum taught me anything, it's that the biggest edgelords are the most particular about their kinks. There's outrage every time another male character than the MC gets too much screen time.

 

[JJJ84]

You know, with Shani going to the Zone in the upcoming update, how long do all of you wish, or expect her quest is gonna be?


Following is just my personal wish, but I think it might be great if her journey lasts around 2 updates.

Her quest ending in one update I have a feeling would feel too short, and would make the anticipation fall flat compared to the build up to it (since this is something she's been preparing for all her life as MC's successor).
However, we don't want her quest to be overlong either (3 or more updates), because then I do think it would feel a bit too dragged out, with her being away from MC and her family for too long.

2 updates seems like a good balance for me, with the game transitioning back and forth between Shani's POV (zone) and MC's POV at times like it did previously.

 

[Kellermann]

You know, with Shani going to the Zone in the upcoming update, how long do all of you wish, or expect her quest is gonna be?


Following is just my personal wish, but I think it might be great if her journey lasts around 2 updates.

Her quest ending in one update I have a feeling would feel too short, and would make the anticipation fall flat compared to the build up to it (since this is something she's been preparing for all her life as MC's successor).
However, we don't want her quest to be overlong either (3 or more updates), because then I do think it would feel a bit too dragged out, with her being away from MC and her family for too long.

2 updates seems like a good balance for me, with the game transitioning back and forth between Shani's POV (zone) and MC's POV at times like it did previously.

More than anticipation for me. I don't want to drag it out, so I'm hoping for only 1 episode. I want Shani back with my MC as soon as possible (because she is my main LI), not staying away for long periods of time. I prefer to have the two of them adventuring together instead of solo. I dislike switching protag POVs back and forth, back and forth. It's one of the only things I am not looking forward to. That said, it has to happen for the story, so stiff upper lip and all that. I'm sure it will have cinematic and fun moments, but I'll be happy when it's over.

 

[JJJ84]

More than anticipation for me. I don't want to drag it out, so I'm hoping for only 1 episode. I want Shani back with my MC as soon as possible (because she is my main LI), not staying away for long periods of time. I prefer to have the two of them adventuring together instead of solo. I dislike switching protag POVs back and forth, back and forth. It's one of the only things I am not looking forward to. That said, it has to happen for the story, so stiff upper lip and all that. I'm sure it will have cinematic and fun moments, but I'll be happy when it's over.

While I think 1 update will probably feel too short (and I do want what Shani goes through to feel significant enough to mean something for her), I think I would be okay if it was like 1 and a half amount of update (or 2 as I originally said).

And yes, she's my main LI as well (favorite out of all the girls, rest of them don't even come close), and while I may be saddened that she's gonna be away, it's also gonna be good to hear from her the experiences she went through and the takeaway she gained from her journey.

I also love going on adventures with her (the couple of times we went with her till now were short but very sweet) and I'm sure we'll have lots of time for those when she's back.
Plenty more things to look forward to with her character I think.

 

[Sleeping In Pieces]

While I think 1 update will probably feel too short (and I do want what Shani goes through to feel significant enough to mean something for her), I think I would be okay if it was like 1 and a half amount of update (or 2 as I originally said).

I wouldn't mind it being stretched over 2 or 3 updates with say a few minutes of gameplay each update. It's obviously intended to be significant and just getting it in and out in one update would feel underwhelming givent he hype.

 

[JJJ84]

I wouldn't mind it being stretched over 2 or 3 updates with say a few minutes of gameplay each update. It's obviously intended to be significant and just getting it in and out in one update would feel underwhelming givent he hype.

I think 1.5 ~ 2 updates is good for me. Probably not 3 though (especially if quite a bit of time on Shani is spent on each update with her pov gameplay).

As you said (and I've said in the first post), Shani has been preparing for this for her whole life.

Going to the Zone is supposed to be a milstone event for her, with her path to becoming an official Stalker as MC's successor, and it has to really mean something.
If it becomes something that's done in a flash, like within 1 update, I would seriously question "what the hell has all that buildup been for?"

 

[Cynicaladm]

I'm playing the 2D visual novels here almost solely for the story (can't fap to them after 20+ years of internet).
And seriously, throwing a girls head against a rock, forcing her to suck your dick and pissing in her mouth is pretty boundary-pushing.
I haven't seen that in any other game so far and I find the game's dark, extremely offensive, humor very refreshing.

I object... we mos't definitely are not doing anything humorous whatsoever!

On a sidenote... I have yet to read any words of outrage over the queeen barbequing a prisoner alive after having stabbed him in the eye.
I wonder why that is. Why is nobody protesting the fate of Randolph, the random randy raider?

 

[JJJ84]

On a sidenote... I have yet to read any words of outrage over the queeen barbequing a prisoner alive after having stabbed him in the eye.
I wonder why that is. Why is nobody protesting the fate of Randolph, the random randy raider?

Oh come now, who doesn't love a good barbeque?



Okay, on serious note, wasn't the prisoner stabbed in the mouth? I thought the prisoner (who tried to nab Ain) who was barbaqued was the one whom Shani had to bear witness, or do I have it wrong?
It is strange and I guess a bit funny how standards we judge as to what happens to characters differs whether they're male or female, heh.

 

[Nulldev]

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It is strange and I guess a bit funny how standards we judge as to what happens to characters differs whether they're male or female, heh.

Not that strange, if you don't count the last 10-20 years in the western civilization, all the time humanity knew and know that man and woman _is_ different Not better, not worse, just different.

 

[Hildegardt]

On a sidenote... I have yet to read any words of outrage over the queeen barbequing a prisoner alive after having stabbed him in the eye.
I wonder why that is. Why is nobody protesting the fate of Randolph, the random randy raider?

It is strange and I guess a bit funny how standards we judge as to what happens to characters differs whether they're male or female, heh.

Not that strange, if you don't count the last 10-20 years in the western civilization, all the time humanity knew and know that man and woman _is_ different Not better, not worse, just different.

Don't get ahead of yourselves. There wasn't any outrage, just somebody asking about a tag.
Tagging this game's content as rape isn't some fivehead statement about morality. Don't you think the tag is for people who are into it as much as it is for people who want to avoid it?

 

[Cynicaladm]

Mine was a generic consideration. We've had the "that's too much/too far" conversation several times.. And it's never about the guys who get butchered. The tagging of the game itself doesn't particularly concern me unless it's a clear misrepresentation of the game... On this particular tag, a discussion about morality and in game lore/social constructs and norms it's always welcome of course.
And yes, we are aware that we're in a bit of a grey area and that in the real world, half of what happens in the game would be seen as questionable if not straight up illegal.

 

[Nulldev]

As a pervert who likes it, I don't think this game yet needs a rape tag.
I base this on the emotional response from the "victims" or the lack of that, to be precise.
They all did stupid things and it bite their asses.

 

[Hildegardt]

We've had the "that's too much/too far" conversation several times.. And it's never about the guys who get butchered.
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And yes, we are aware that we're in a bit of a grey area and that in the real world, half of what happens in the game would be seen as questionable if not straight up illegal.

This forum's moral code is also very different from the real world in my experience. I have the suspicion that male and female characters are only considered differently, because every woman is a potential LI. I don't think people really care about how depraved a game gets, as long as the LIs are savely impaled on the MC's dick.
People probably wouldn't care much, if in the next update there was a revelation that the queen is running a death camp for mutants, as long as the sexy ones could be saved into the MC's harem. But imagine the MC's master coming back and making a move on his women. He'd be seen as worse than Hitler.

People talk about pushing boundaries, when ironically the biggest boundary is that the MC absolutely has to be a hunky redpilled dom in every single interaction of every single game on this site, or else there'll always be somebody whining about it.

As a pervert who likes it, I don't think this game yet needs a rape tag.
I base this on the emotional response from the "victims" or the lack of that, to be precise.
They all did stupid things and it bite their asses.

Don't you think the people searching for games containing rape content are missing out, if they can't find this game? Smashing faces into rocks before fucking them should be right up their alley.

 

[dolfe67]

As a pervert who likes it, I don't think this game yet needs a rape tag.
I base this on the emotional response from the "victims" or the lack of that, to be precise.
They all did stupid things and it bite their asses.

In my opinion the rape tag is warranted even if only for the first scene (raping the asian raider girl after killing her buddies) even though it's optionnal.

And I've no problem with it. But saying it's not rape because the victim liked it is a bit fucked up

 

[Nulldev]

Luckily, I'm not the one who make the decisions here.
IMHO it's just struggle snuggle, I don't think, they lost a night of sleep because of it.
Raider girl at start it's violence, gore, but not rape, after all she did not bite it off

 

[Spfjolietjake]

In my opinion the rape tag is warranted even if only for the first scene (raping the asian raider girl after killing her buddies) even though it's optionnal.

And I've no problem with it. But saying it's not rape because the victim liked it is a bit fucked up

It's not fucked up. Rape play and rape isn't the same thing. You really can't rape the willing in fiction.

This doesn't take place in this world we live in. Our morality really doesn't apply imo. So I don't care if the tag is added but those that love rape fetish will be disappointed.

Also i didn't think she was Asian.