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The only stand-alone scene was the one with Ain at the obelisk, and while that was great it didn't contain sex or choices.
It did have choices, you have to choose whether to end it early or not, then choose how to respond to her worries, usually between an uplifting and positive thinking response and a more realistic "it is what it is" response.
 
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Cynicaladm

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There are too many moving parts/branching subplots related to fetishes and characters in the game, regardless of what those fetishes might be. Although given the existence of a certain loud and obnoxious type of poster on this site, I understand why you'd think I was fetish shaming. Not my intention at all, I'll fap to whatever gets me off and I'm usually not offended by depictions of the things that don't.

Well like I said events don't seem to track the context of where Shani is with her quest. Examples off top of head -
>Ain's quality time triggers before Ain asks you to do it (after Shani leaves).
>Idk if the Rabiah visit is supposed to happen before or after but it happened after for me. Plus the narrative incongruity of being concerned for the landgirl going away then gallivanting around town while she's gone.
>In general, quite a few events that happen before Shani's departure detract from it's urgency. Most of them should in fact happen after she has returned. The departure period should be dedicated to main plot faction quests etc. like the elfs.
ah. that.. yes.. so it's not so much a mistake (we had a few things that were knocked out of order on the pre-release and we fixed them afterwards, hence my confusion/question).. as a structural pacing choice.
the game is fairly sandboxy in the way you can play certain events pretty much on the same day/rest cycle, whereas others are gated.. this does create for different orders in which you can play things and not always the order is optimal in terms of pacing... or rather, it will never satisfy everyone.
as for Shani being in the zone and everybody else sort of having to sit on their thumbs and wait for her return with bathed breath.. we did consider that path (I did, Z not so much)... but given the nature of the Zone itself and given how time works in there (and finally also given the size and complexity of the zone production wise) we have decided against going that path... based fundamentally on 2 considerations:
1) in game: the world keeps moving and doesn't stand still, events still go on. On top of that, the whole family has been preparing for some time and this apocalyptic setting is sort of grounded on the notion that you do your best to pursue your goals and that what happens once things are out of your hands is best not to dwell on. Are the characters worried about Shani? most certainly, but it is expected... also, offgame...
2) off game if we did focus on Shani, you would get anywhere from 2 to maybe even 4 updates dedicated to Shani, exclusively with very little wancakes, and almost no screen time for anybody else... on top of that, many a player has expressed how they will simply skip the content that is from her POV and rather wait for it to be recapped when she is back... that is of course their prerogative, but it does mean that we would have a substantial drop in interest in the game by a rather large number of the players. for at least a couple of updates...
That could potentially kill the game in terms of sustainability for Z, who is basically paying rent through it.

So we are going to move the rest of the plots along, side by side with Shani's content. Once that whole chapter is done and dusted, we can always retroactively gate things in a specific order (or let the player chose what he wants to progress first)... To do so in medias res when we don't have a 100% defined list of scenes that go in each update and we don't have a clear picture of what needs to be gated behind what, would not be workable.

This may indeed give an odd vibe of characters ignoring Shani's situation (actually the queen at one point asks about it).. but it's the best we can do, for now.
 
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ah. that.. yes.. so it's not so much a mistake (we had a few things that were knocked out of order on the pre-release and we fixed them afterwards, hence my confusion/question).. as a structural pacing choice.
the game is fairly sandboxy in the way you can play certain events pretty much on the same day/rest cycle, whereas others are gated.. this does create for different orders in which you can play things and not always the order is optimal in terms of pacing... or rather, it will never satisfy everyone.
as for Shani being in the zone and everybody else sort of having to sit on their thumbs and wait for her return with bathed breath.. we did consider that path (I did, Z not so much)... but given the nature of the Zone itself and given how time works in there (and finally also given the size and complexity of the zone production wise) we have decided against going that path... based fundamentally on 2 considerations:
1) in game: the world keeps moving and doesn't stand still, events still go on. On top of that, the whole family has been preparing for some time and this apocalyptic setting is sort of grounded on the notion that you do your best to pursue your goals and that what happens once things are out of your hands is best not to dwell on. Are the characters worried about Shani? most certainly, but it is expected... also, offgame...
2) off game if we did focus on Shani, you would get anywhere from 2 to maybe even 4 updates dedicated to Shani, exclusively with very little wancakes, and almost no screen time for anybody else... on top of that, many a player has expressed how they will simply skip the content that is from her POV and rather wait for it to be recapped when she is back... that is of course their prerogative, but it does mean that we would have a substantial drop in interest in the game by a rather large number of the players. for at least a couple of updates...
That could potentially kill the game in terms of sustainability for Z, who is basically paying rent through it.

So we are going to move the rest of the plots along side by side with Shani's content. Once that whole chapter is done and dusted, we can always retroactively gate things in a specific order (or let the player chose what he wants to progress first)... To do so in medias res when we don't have a 100% defined list of scenes that go in each update and we don't have a clear picture of what needs to be gated behind what, would not be workable.

This may indeed give an odd vibe of characters ignoring Shani's situation (actually the queen at one point asks about it).. but it's the best we can do, for now.
Thanks for the insight about the process and the decisions you take it was a very interesting read Cynicaladm.
About the fact of the off vibe in my humble opinion it's not the case, from Zaton ( or Seth as I decided to name him) to Ain they all show how much they care about Shani, but at the same time as you correctly said they can't stay still until she will come back.
I know it may sound cruel, but live goes on regardless and given the realistic open world setup you created it's normal that all the characters need to move on until she will be back.
Also branching the game with the Shani perspective at this point of the game, still in it's initial start phase ( at least I see it like that) would be counterproductive, imho. :)
 
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The change log is telling me there is more to this update than what I've played but I have no explanation marks or hints what to do next.

This is the only issue I have with vns like this. I wanna play all the available content just don't know how. Even with a walkthrough mod :(
 

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The change log is telling me there is more to this update than what I've played but I have no explanation marks or hints what to do next.

This is the only issue I have with vns like this. I wanna play all the available content just don't know how. Even with a walkthrough mod :(
What are you missing?
 
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It says there are 4 sister in law visits (I only got 2), and supposedly supposed to bang the blurple colored hair chick.
The change log says 9 events total but I don't know what constitutes an event
I'm assuming the events are the first event when you go there and you're all in the room together. Then there's a Nadia event, a Rabiah event, and then an event with Omar. The latter three you trigger by clicking their icon to visit them. IIRC, visiting an additional time adds a little more content.

As for blurple hair girl, she's the one that tried to kidnap Ain. That scene with her only happens if you don't kill her.
 
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I'm assuming the events are the first event when you go there and you're all in the room together. Then there's a Nadia event, a Rabiah event, and then an event with Omar. The latter three you trigger by clicking their icon to visit them. IIRC, visiting an additional time adds a little more content.

As for blurple hair girl, she's the one that tried to kidnap Ain. That scene with her only happens if you don't kill her.
Ahhhh thank you. Seriously you saved me a bit of frustration. I was thinking one of the punks not the kidnapper. Looks like I'll have to go back and let her live sometime :ROFLMAO:

Again thank you for the much appreciated help :)
 
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...but I don't know what constitutes an event
As a rule of thumb, we refer to "events" as scenes or parts of scenes that the player can actively trigger (or in certain occasions be automatically triggered -like the guard summoning you to the palace-).
Self-contained bits that once you start them, you have to go through them.

So, for instance, in Rabiah's house there are 4 of them as in, 4 separate things you can choose or trigger to see (2 the first time you visit them and 2 the second time).

I do understand that they can be easy to miss at times (and I don't like it either) and it's something we do work towards improving that, with the quest log/button markers/whatnot, but personally I'm not really a fan of an "update checklist in-game". I think it detracts from the whole thing a bit :/
 

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As a rule of thumb, we refer to "events" as scenes or parts of scenes that the player can actively trigger (or in certain occasions be automatically triggered -like the guard summoning you to the palace-).
Self-contained bits that once you start them, you have to go through them.

So, for instance, in Rabiah's house there are 4 of them as in, 4 separate things you can choose or trigger to see (2 the first time you visit them and 2 the second time).

I do understand that they can be easy to miss at times (and I don't like it either) and it's something we do work towards improving that, with the quest log/button markers/whatnot, but personally I'm not really a fan of an "update checklist in-game". I think it detracts from the whole thing a bit :/
Thanks for the insight. The way it is now kind of gives me Fomo. Yet I understand what you are saying .
 

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Please help Idk how to trigger the thug girl scene? I tried many ways but to no avail.
 

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Just started this. Is this one of those games where you need to be an asshole to get with the girls?
 

rainnnnnn

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You don't absolutely have to be an asshole, but all the girls are either submissive or have to be submitted. So depending on your definition of asshole, I'd say maybe this is one of those games.
Well all the girls are really hot so far. But I guess I'm just no that into them all being so submissive.
If you are tho I guess this is one of the best games out there for that
 

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Great game, always looking for new updates.

there are some scenes not unlocked in gallery even so i am sure i seen them, mostly raiders. anyone knows if I can fix those ?
Keep in mind that some scenes are mutually exclusive. like if you chose to share or not the rider girls you get one of two possible scenes i think.
 
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Dev update 24.04.2022
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Hey all, new week, new progress log. First of all, thank you all for the pledges and support for the last update and during development, it means a lot!

Secondly, I appreciate all the feedback and criticism regarding the content and quality. The update was focused on building the personalities of various characters who did not get much real time up to this point, and even though I think these "pauses" are necessary, I understand that it might not have been enough "action" for everyone after the long wait.

Now, this update it's time to go back out and finish business. Many have been waiting to see the raider twins again - 0.10 will (finally) pick up on that; Shani's personal quest will start as well. Rendering of the Hive quest part 2 has started and is making good progress already.

After all the wholesome talking in last update, we will see more lewd scenes this time around as well as other types of action. I also want to create the "feeling" from the first scene in the game again - less inhibitions for the player, more back to the roots stuff. Let's see what comes out of it.

Last but not least, because I am curious: What did you choose to do at the end of the mutant event last time around? Did you take the hive girl back to base or did you leave her with her mother?


- Took the girl with me
- Left her with the hive

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Progress:

Hive scene pt.2: 30%
Shani's zone entry: 0%
Raiders mission: 0%
(More to follow...)
 

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- Took the girl with me
- Left her with the hive

Been a while since I played the previous version, believe I left her with the hive.
 
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