Ren'Py Desert Stalker [v0.19.4] [Zetan]

[Canto Forte]

You mean, she falls into some suspicious green glowing fluid and after that she got hooves, backward knees, cat tail and horse dick?

 

[JoeTheMC84]

What about it? I'm not into anal as a fetish, but if some girl will be f*cked in her ass during her sleep or whatever, and it will not ruin the relationships - why not? ) Like, I doubt you do not know anal f*ck is very uncommon for various anatomic reasons, but it's the game where we can get many things which are difficult to get irl, so if there will be anal interactions in the future builds and they will be done nicely, I see no reason to object. )

I believe by passive anal he meant pegging. Could be wrong.

 

[muschi26]

-> The story is too boring, there must NTR to it!
-> Why is there no NTR? That would be sooooo awesome!
-> Sharing is caring
-> LI must be fucked by at least three strangers at the same time!
-> Hopefully MC's girls will be raped!
-> MC can have more than one LI? All of the LI have to fuck with each other!
-> LI is faithful to MC? She must cheat, leave MC or die or at least get raped!
-> MC has a good heart and is nice? He must be treated like a doormat all the time!
-> MC is a real badass for a change? Meeeeh! Much too boring!
-> Lesbian stuff is sooooooo Hot! And EVERY man must love this!
-> Pubic hair is so disgusting and should be gone! Every pussy has to look the same!

I'm not sure if you're endorsing these and saying they should be in the game, or if you're condemning them and saying they shouldn't.

Also, my two cents is that pussies can look different without even bringing pubic hair into it.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

People keep bringing up the MC with the raider in the opening but you're ignoring the context. He had just finished his mission; he was safe in the open desert. Shani is in the Zone; were we just saw a guy get brained by an arrow because he was distracted by a conversation, and some people think it would be a good idea and "fit the story" for her to risk stripping down and getting dicked in the most dangerous environment imaginable? With mummies and raiders actively hunting people making noise and random weather effects and other phenomena that can destroy buildings, that sounds like a bad idea to me? And not just all that, but it is also only a day or two after finally confessing her love for the MC?

Edit: Just to be clear, because I think some people might get the wrong idea. *If* later in the game Shani was with the MC and met someone and had the option to pursue something, and we as the player could approve or not, I actually wouldn't care too much. I'd say no and move on, just like all the other scenes like that. But anything in the Zone just seems forced for one. Out of character for two. Super dangerous and oddly timed for three. And lastly, dangerously close to actually NTR because it would happen behind the MC's back without his approval or knowledge. It would basically be the actual Japanese style NTR, girl in relationship, has sex behind MC's back and has feelings for the other person. Shani in no way seems like the kind of girl to betray her father in anyway.

 

[Markosh_1973]

I'm not sure if you're endorsing these and saying they should be in the game, or if you're condemning them and saying they shouldn't.

Also, my two cents is that pussies can look different without even bringing pubic hair into it.

Sorry, my mistake. It sounded much better in my language ;-)
I'm condemning them and they shouldn't be forced in any game.
And regarding pubic hair I only meant that I find it almost boring that practically every pussy has to be completely naked. A pussy with well-groomed hair simply has more character ;-)

 

[Yngling]

People keep bringing up the MC with the raider in the opening but you're ignoring the context. He had just finished his mission; he was safe in the open desert. Shani is in the Zone; were we just saw a guy get brained by an arrow because he was distracted by a conversation, and some people think it would be a good idea and "fit the story" for her to risk stripping down and getting dicked in the most dangerous environment imaginable? With mummies and raiders actively hunting people making noise and random weather effects and other phenomena that can destroy buildings, that sounds like a bad idea to me? And not just all that, but it is also only a day or two after finally confessing her love for the MC?

Edit: Just to be clear, because I think some people might get the wrong idea. *If* later in the game Shani was with the MC and met someone and had the option to pursue something, and we as the player could approve or not, I actually wouldn't care too much. I'd say no and move on, just like all the other scenes like that. But anything in the Zone just seems forced for one. Out of character for two. Super dangerous and oddly timed for three. And lastly, dangerously close to actually NTR because it would happen behind the MC's back without his approval or knowledge. It would basically be the actual Japanese style NTR, girl in relationship, has sex behind MC's back and has feelings for the other person. Shani in no way seems like the kind of girl to betray her father in anyway.

I fully agree with all of that.

Couple of reasons:

- Shani finally got to act on her long-time crush for her dad. It would be strange for her to start pursuing random strangers.
- Shani is strong enough not be raped. It does not suit her character at all.
- Shani does not strike me at all as a promiscuous girl who just wants dick nevermind to whom it happens to be attached.

But. In the long term, Shani should take over the household when Zaton dies or retires. She needs children of her own.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

But. In the long term, Shani should take over the household when Zaton dies or retires. She needs children of her own.

I can see that argument. Though in the scope of the game it can be left in the air after the end of the story as well. letting the player determine in the head how things ago after the final fade to black at the end of the game. Unless the game will persist beyond a certain point the households future as Shani's, independent of her father, isn't needed. Though as I said in the edit of the other post. As long as the player has a say it could be a topic that comes up before the end.

 

[JaxMan]

Please someone explain to me why meanwhile almost every damn good AVN (in my opinion, of course) should be flushed down the drain again and again by "strange" ideas practically?!?!

(In my opinion bad Ideas and suggetions like these)
-> The story is too boring, there must NTR to it!
-> Why is there no NTR? That would be sooooo awesome!
-> Sharing is caring
-> LI must be fucked by at least three strangers at the same time!
-> Hopefully MC's girls will be raped!
-> MC can have more than one LI? All of the LI have to fuck with each other!
-> LI is faithful to MC? She must cheat, leave MC or die or at least get raped!
-> MC has a good heart and is nice? He must be treated like a doormat all the time!
-> MC is a real badass for a change? Meeeeh! Much too boring!
-> Lesbian stuff is sooooooo Hot! And EVERY man must love this!
-> Pubic hair is so disgusting and should be gone! Every pussy has to look the same!

(Of course these statements do NOT ALL apply to Desert Stalker! It's more an accumulation over two years in this forum as a silent reader).

Even if some ideas are not really absurd for the given scenario, their implementation fails in most cases because of the non-existing optionality of these ideas. Too much effort for DEV, too much delay in development, etc. Or simply because DEV let itself be convinced/buy by a (stupid *cough*) idea. High Tier supporters can have quite a lot of influence on some developments...

If the player always had the possibility of a choice/decision, the biggest bullshit could be implemented without the forum being under fire once again and the pitchforks along with torches having to be unpacked.
Or in the worst case another DEV gives up and an unfinished AVN is buried....

Thanks and sorry for dumping my two cents here

I disagree with the idea that these would be okay if player had the option, because when they do the ones who don't like sharing, ntr, gangbangs, etc are still upset because, to them, those things are still happening because the choice is there and someone else playing is making that choice, even if they aren't.

I think the problem with the Shani story is that people want her to be a LI, but don't want to play her as a MC even just a few times in game because most of the games with female protags are played as corruption games. So, here you have the dichotomy of a male MC who players want to play as an alpha male where all sex and love interests are his and Shani as female MC who gets to do her own thing and isn't the typical female protag that is just a mindless object that gets corrupted into a slut.

Honestly, so many people get upset when it comes to these games/stories if they aren't the alpha male with every girl in story or game only having sex with them and nobody else can attract a female and, heaven forbid, if they try to or do have sex they have to be despicable and ugly people. I've seen people complain about ntr when a husband and wife have sex because the mc was attracted to the wife (usually mother).

I realize this is fantasy fulfillment and more power to ya, but sometimes I want a good story that isn't predetermined what's going to be in it based on these fantasies. I'm also aware that these devs want to make money and people mostly give them that money when their fantasy/kink is going to be included. So, I'm not expecting any ballsy moves in this story. Maybe I'll be surprised.

 

[muschi26]

Shani is strong enough not be raped. It does not suit her character at all.

What is this take lol?

Maybe you can chalk it up to strength if it's her and one dude in an alley (though even then, what if she's injured? or he gets the drop on her? or he has a gun and she doesn't? etc. etc.), but what if she gets jumped or ambushed by a group of people? Rape isn't just about "strength".

 

[goulet1995]

as long as i have the ability to decline all sexual encounters not with mc for shani its fine imo it fits the setiing the dev just shouldnt force it and hopefully we would get an option to be very clear she isnt interested i hope the same for lesbian situations too

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

I disagree with the idea that these would be okay if player had the option, because when they do the ones who don't like sharing, ntr, gangbangs, etc are still upset because, to them, those things are still happening because the choice is there and someone else playing is making that choice, even if they aren't.

oh man...that's some serious psychological issue right there...How are they handling that potentially thousands of other people play these VNs and name the MC after themselves? Everybody is getting a turn at "their" girls.

 

[JoeTheMC84]

I think sometimes it is what the choice implies about the character. For example: In this game, I don;t mind the choices because it doesn't change anything about the characters involved. If the MC wants Aine to blow Igor then it doesn't change her character at all. She is submissive to her dad and is doing what he wants her to.

Now imagine if in a game the player has a choice to suggest that a girl wear a red dress over a black dress to their date. And if you say she should wear the red dress then she blows a guy in the bathroom during y'all's date but if she wears the black dress then she doesn't. That means that that character wants to blow other guys, she is more than willing to and when the opportunity arises, she will unless you babysit her and keep her from doing it. It alters her fundamental character in a deep way. She wants other guys and is just holding back because the MC is making choices that prevent it.

That is why some people are so averse to even "avoidable" NTR/sharing/voyeurism because usually it is done poorly and fundamentally changes the characters involved, making them almost schizophrenic in their actions. Bull-balling the MC but dropping panties for the first other dick that comes by if the MC doesn't stop it. Or other nonsense. Desert Stalker so far has done a great job of maintaining the character's personalities consistently while still allowing for swinging content. It's one of the reasons I really like the game.

 

[GetOutOfMyLab]

Now imagine if in a game the player has a choice to suggest that a girl wear a red dress over a black dress to their date. And if you say she should wear the red dress then she blows a guy in the bathroom during y'all's date but if she wears the black dress then she doesn't

I think I've actually played a couple like this. Really frustrating. Choices should clearly take the player to their desired outcome.

 

[Yngling]

I can see that argument. Though in the scope of the game it can be left in the air after the end of the story as well. letting the player determine in the head how things ago after the final fade to black at the end of the game. Unless the game will persist beyond a certain point the households future as Shani's, independent of her father, isn't needed. Though as I said in the edit of the other post. As long as the player has a say it could be a topic that comes up before the end.

Well, I guess it would be elegant solution.

However Zaton did already hint at retiring (I think when meeting his former mentor) and it is one of the reasons he couldn't postpone Shani entering the zone for longer. I think Zaton was also considering joining the Decayed. If I recall correctly.

The game also already talked about Ain's possible future life paths.

All in all, I think Zaton's retirement may be something that is planned that we see in the game.

 

[Yngling]

What is this take lol?

Maybe you can chalk it up to strength if it's her and one dude in an alley (though even then, what if she's injured? or he gets the drop on her? or he has a gun and she doesn't? etc. etc.), but what if she gets jumped or ambushed by a group of people? Rape isn't just about "strength".

Agreed, avoiding rape is not only about strength, fighting skills, weapons skills etc. It's also about situational awareness, street smarts etc. All things that Shani is incredibly good at.

And yes, IRL it's not always avoidable unfortunately.

However if Shani gets raped in this game, without the player being able to do anything about it, would be one of the very few cases when I would rage-quit this game.

It just does not fit her character. It would be exactly the same as when Zaton himself would get ass raped.

 

[muschi26]

Agreed, avoiding rape is not only about strength, fighting skills, weapons skills etc. It's also about situational awareness, street smarts etc. All things that Shani is incredibly good at.

And yes, IRL it's not always avoidable unfortunately.

However if Shani gets raped in this game, without the player being able to do anything about it, would be one of the very few cases when I would rage-quit this game.

It just does not fit her character. It would be exactly the same as when Zaton himself would get ass raped.

I don’t expect or want that to happen to her either, but it was just the way you phrased that lmao.

 

[goldenface]

That feeling when you discover a game a bit later on in its development and it seems as if the content will never run out but then it finally does...

 

[Ragnar]

People keep bringing up the MC with the raider in the opening but you're ignoring the context. He had just finished his mission; he was safe in the open desert. Shani is in the Zone; were we just saw a guy get brained by an arrow because he was distracted by a conversation, and some people think it would be a good idea and "fit the story" for her to risk stripping down and getting dicked in the most dangerous environment imaginable? With mummies and raiders actively hunting people making noise and random weather effects and other phenomena that can destroy buildings, that sounds like a bad idea to me? And not just all that, but it is also only a day or two after finally confessing her love for the MC?

Edit: Just to be clear, because I think some people might get the wrong idea. *If* later in the game Shani was with the MC and met someone and had the option to pursue something, and we as the player could approve or not, I actually wouldn't care too much. I'd say no and move on, just like all the other scenes like that. But anything in the Zone just seems forced for one. Out of character for two. Super dangerous and oddly timed for three. And lastly, dangerously close to actually NTR because it would happen behind the MC's back without his approval or knowledge. It would basically be the actual Japanese style NTR, girl in relationship, has sex behind MC's back and has feelings for the other person. Shani in no way seems like the kind of girl to betray her father in anyway.

Is Shani in a relationship? My Shani only played a bit with the Queen during the BBQ incident. If she can bang the girl in the zone I say let's go. My Shani is a future Stalker, not another cock sucker for Zaton (He's more than enough of those already).

 

[JoeTheMC84]

Is Shani in a relationship? My Shani only played a bit with the Queen during the BBQ incident. If she can bang the girl in the zone I say let's go. My Shani is a future Stalker, not another cock sucker for Zaton (He's more than enough of those already).

Shani is not a true MC, she is a point of view character at best. One that we can guide into some actions, but there is no "My Shani" in the same way there is a "My Zaton." She is a set character like Aine or the Queen. Zaton can influence their actions, but they are their own characters. And so is Shani. The fact that "Your Zaton" may not have returned Shani's feelings does not mean that in your game she doesn't have them for him. If she were a true MC then Zaton is basically cucking her the whole game because she does feel jealousy about him being with her sister Aine. Just look at their interaction in the main room of the house where Shani almost chokes Aine on Zaton's cock.

Besides that, my main point still stands, having sex in the zone is just out of place. We just saw a guy die because he was having a conversation. Everyone she would run into in the Zone is a best a concern that needs to prove they aren't a threat. And danger lurks around every corner. The very air and land can be fatal... but sure, she could meet someone, trust them enough to bang within a few moments, and just hope a pack of mummies or the raiders we know for a fact are looking for victims aren't walking by. Not to mention she has a clear mission. The Zone isn't a place for her to hangout in and explore and make friends. It's a place to go into, get what she is after, and then get home, thus proving she has what it takes to be a Stalker.

It is highly likely that she will meet someone (probably the female we saw a brief glimpse of), they will team up, probably killing some mummies and maybe even a few raiders, and she will likely need to choose between saving her new friend's life or completing her mission before she leaves the Zone. It would fit with the help/selfish points the player has been giving her, that will likely be used for the outcome if the player skips her content. And if she saves them, they may come back with her, and something could come from it later down the line. But the Zone is no place for sex, it'd be like two soldiers in a trench in WWI banging when the enemy could rush the line at any moment.

Maybe I'm wrong, and a sex scene will happen in a way that makes sense give the context of the Zone... I won't see it because I'd have her turn anything like that down, but, we'll see.

Edit: Also, in my post I did preface my statement with "dangerously close to," and "basically," as I didn't want to make a definitive and declarative statement since it was hyperbolic in some ways.

 

[dolfe67]

Not to mention she has a clear mission. The Zone isn't a place for her to hangout in and explore and make friends. It's a place to go into, get what she is after, and then get home, thus proving she has what it takes to be a Stalker.

I still don't know what she has to do in the zone?