Developers coming to f95 to "play nice" and just adver tise.

[RazzleDazzle]

There are a few developers here now that post their links to their websites, patreons, etc, and post their dog ass public releases and links to their patreon on their posts. This basically subverts what this site is made to do and they get a free pass to advertise their game and basically use a new platform to spread it and garner more pledges while we come here and don't get what this site is meant for.

I have my own personal reasons that I'd rather donate to f95 rather than these developers that I do not wish to spark debate on and derail the topic at hand, which I feel is very important to this site. More and more developers every passing day come here, post links to their patreons and post their public releases while basically guaranteeing that no one is going to post a link with their game's latest release.

I find this entirely ridiculous, personally.

 

[Sam]

We don't treat developers who wish to interact with the community any different to the developers that don't.

If their game has a thread, regardless of if the developer is the thread starter or not, it'll be updated by the uploader team as and when builds are available.

 

[Avaron1974]

I find this entirely ridiculous, personally.

Just like this thread.

This site is for whatever the people that started it say it is. If devs want to advertise they can, we're here to get games nothing more.

The games that get uploaded come from their patrons, some devs have an agreement with those patrons not to upload new releases or at least wait a week or two. Nothing you say here is going to change that. The people uploading are the ones paying money for them, it's entirely up to them if they want to agree with the dev or not.

 

[Bloo]

Adding to what Sam said.

Developers are warned when they join that we're a sharing focused forum and that it's very likely that someone will post a pay-walled version of their game. They have to abide by the communities rules like everyone else

When someone shares a pay-walled version of their game, we'll add it to the OP (original post) and in the event they remove said content (if they're the OP creators "owners"), we'll remove their permissions to edit a thread (which has happened before).

We want to have a good relationship with developers, we're continuously improving upon and nourishing these relationships as time goes on by introducing new features that are beneficial to them which in turn is beneficial for the adult community as a whole. In-fact, we have such a feature planned for the near future

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by @Sam and more. On our Discord alone there's 191 developers and several hundreds more on the forum itself.

We try to help developers whenever we can but we'll never let that interfere with what matters most.​

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[RazzleDazzle]

Thanks bloo and sam. I'm glad I was mistaken. I did not want us becoming a slight variation on certain other websites.

 

[anne O'nymous]

Just one thing to add, because almost all was said.

Not all developers come to just advertise ; in fact few did it, and they almost all have already disappeared. Mostly they come because F95z is a community mixing everyone involved on the adult gaming scene. There's players, authors, modders, drawers, 3D modelers, and so on.
Obviously, since they're here, they will promote their game, it's fair after all. But that's not the main reason of their presence. They search for the opinion of players who'll not go all, "hey ! I payed, so do as I said", but are more opened to discussion. They search for help to improve their skills, and why not new idea picked among the many comments. In short, they participate to the community and give as well as they take.

To this, should also be added the developers who started as member of the forum month, when not years, before being author of a game.

 

[GuyFreely]

I'm not sure I see the problem with a dev advertising their legitimate version on a pirate site. Obviously, you are under no obligation to visit any of their links or give them anything. If someone does feel like supporting the dev, they know where to go. As Bloo mentioned, this website is what it is and doesn't seem to be catering to devs by withholding releases or anything like that. So I don't begrudge any dev that tries to "convert" a pirate player into a patron. As long as the dev isn't causing a lot of problems (which the mods would deal with) then it seems fine.

Other non-porn game devs have tried similar avenues, by releasing their own torrent for their game on pirate sites hoping that a handful of those players might decide to support them anyway.

 

[Deleted member 573385]

If I like a game I'm going to click the patreon link, so by virtue of being here the game is being advertised. If it's a game I really like, I'll probably want to throw some money at them, especially if it doesn't look like they're doing so hot. That's because I want more content though, I'm not being guilted or anything; or if I am it's not by the devs, it's cause I want to give back to the thing I enjoyed.

The only real problem I've had with this is yesterday I was trying to download:

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Which I believe has been posted by the game's author. The first link claims to be a Mega link, but if you click it, it redirects to the patreon page. I felt mildly annoyed for a few seconds that it wasn't labeled (patrons only) or something after that, but otherwise no skin off my nose.

But I suppose I can still play the free version, and I really liked @anne O'nymous point there, I think it's cool they come for feedback from people who aren't giving them money in one hand and squeezing their balls in the other; I've seen a few games I've followed turn out worse (that's hard to verify since you don't know what could've been, but I'm still confident) because a lot of fans don't know what they want or how to make a good game.

 

[GuyFreely]

If I like a game I'm going to click the patreon link, so by virtue of being here the game is being advertised. If it's a game I really like, I'll probably want to throw some money at them, especially if it doesn't look like they're doing so hot. That's because I want more content though, I'm not being guilted or anything; or if I am it's not by the devs, it's cause I want to give back to the thing I enjoyed.

The only real problem I've had with this is yesterday I was trying to download:

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Which I believe has been posted by the game's author. The first link claims to be a Mega link, but if you click it, it redirects to the patreon page. I felt mildly annoyed for a few seconds that it wasn't labeled (patrons only) or something after that, but otherwise no skin off my nose.

But I suppose I can still play the free version, and I really liked @anne O'nymous point there, I think it's cool they come for feedback from people who aren't giving them money in one hand and squeezing their balls in the other; I've seen a few games I've followed turn out worse (that's hard to verify since you don't know what could've been, but I'm still confident) because a lot of fans don't know what they want or how to make a good game.

Yeah, that sounds like some bullshit that the mods should be notified about. It has the little patreon symbol instead of the Mega symbol next to the link. If a dev is trying to trick people like that, then it has to be handled.

 

[Deleted member 573385]

Yeah, that sounds like some bullshit that the mods should be notified about. It has the little patreon symbol instead of the Mega symbol next to the link. If a dev is trying to trick people like that, then it has to be handled.

Oh, you're right! Eh, I don't think it's this big nefarious thing that needs to be handled as in they take it down or anything, I just hope its properly labeled. Since you said so I decided to go ahead and send a report, so now the mods should handle it at their discretion.

 

[Bloo]

If I like a game I'm going to click the patreon link, so by virtue of being here the game is being advertised. If it's a game I really like, I'll probably want to throw some money at them, especially if it doesn't look like they're doing so hot. That's because I want more content though, I'm not being guilted or anything; or if I am it's not by the devs, it's cause I want to give back to the thing I enjoyed.

The only real problem I've had with this is yesterday I was trying to download:

You must be registered to see the links

Which I believe has been posted by the game's author. The first link claims to be a Mega link, but if you click it, it redirects to the patreon page. I felt mildly annoyed for a few seconds that it wasn't labeled (patrons only) or something after that, but otherwise no skin off my nose.

But I suppose I can still play the free version, and I really liked @anne O'nymous point there, I think it's cool they come for feedback from people who aren't giving them money in one hand and squeezing their balls in the other; I've seen a few games I've followed turn out worse (that's hard to verify since you don't know what could've been, but I'm still confident) because a lot of fans don't know what they want or how to make a good game.

We're looking into it and in the mean time we've reverted the thread back to the old links we had shared previously.

 

[Deleted member 573385]

We're looking into it and in the mean time we've reverted the thread back to the old links we had shared previously.

Wow, that was fast! Thank you very much. I feel a bit like a tattler, but my first experience with the mods here has been a good one!

 

[forbidden101v]

I don't really mind them trying to get their name out there. It can be quite hard being an h dev since u have effectively cut out a good portion of a potential market and people don't hold the same respect usually with h games compared to other types of games. I'm planning to become a dev myself but I'm not really sure what to make yet beyond hacks for games and rebuilding Dog Match in renpy right now. I just wish some devs wouldn't take piracy so hard and get upset over it but some day I'll understand what its like to be in their shoes if I ever make anything good enough to pirate.

 

[Deleted member 167032]

We are mostly adults here. We know how the world works.

I joined F95 to download DMD, BB and other games. PERIOD. I've been pirating for a long time but always wanted to donate or pay for something i feel worth while. Over priced shit i refuse to pay for. Finally in last few years I can actually pay for shit, which is what I do.

SO I am not advertising on F95 cause its mainly free advertising (which it definitely is), no i first played games here and then decided to write my own. People sponsor me on patreon cause they are nice, they want to support. Hell I do it myself, i have a few devs i support.

So thank you F95. Message received. I think what most devs would like is upon release just time before the game is leaked on pirate sites, but there's not gaurantee.

There are a few developers here now that post their links to their websites, patreons, etc, and post their dog ass public releases and links to their patreon on their posts. This basically subverts what this site is made to do and they get a free pass to advertise their game and basically use a new platform to spread it and garner more pledges while we come here and don't get what this site is meant for.

I have my own personal reasons that I'd rather donate to f95 rather than these developers that I do not wish to spark debate on and derail the topic at hand, which I feel is very important to this site. More and more developers every passing day come here, post links to their patreons and post their public releases while basically guaranteeing that no one is going to post a link with their game's latest release.

I find this entirely ridiculous, personally.

 

[Domiek]

I find this entirely ridiculous, personally.

Am I understanding your post correctly? You're only upset with devs who come here to advertise their public releases while discouraging the latest builds from being posted? Because I rely on my game's thread for promotion, but I don't do silly "early releases" (delayed paywall releases) or anything of that sort. Just want the community to play my game as soon as I post the latest release.

Patreon and F95 versions are always identical.

 

[gunderson]

So thank you F95. Message received. I think what most devs would like is upon release just time before the game is leaked on pirate sites, but there's not gaurantee.

But that seems to be the concern: devs who post their own game's thread and then intentionally avoid updating their first post with a leaked release from later in that same thread because it doesn't follow their preferred release timeline.

Maybe we need a sticky in the games section to remind people to report threads that are clearly suppressing new releases because they were started by the game's own overly cautious dev.

 

[GuyFreely]

But that seems to be the concern: devs who post their own game's thread and then intentionally avoid updating their first post with a leaked release from later in that same thread because it doesn't follow their preferred release timeline.

Maybe we need a sticky in the games section to remind people to report threads that are clearly suppressing new releases because they were started by the game's own overly cautious dev.

I believe any mod can update the post with a new release if it's provided.

 

[Sam]

But that seems to be the concern: devs who post their own game's thread and then intentionally avoid updating their first post with a leaked release from later in that same thread because it doesn't follow their preferred release timeline.

Maybe we need a sticky in the games section to remind people to report threads that are clearly suppressing new releases because they were started by the game's own overly cautious dev.

Staff/Mods/Uploaders update the thread when we have a new version available, we don't expect Devs to update their own threads with shared links of their own work. However, when we assign a thread to a developer, it's agreed that shared links aren't to be touched. If shared links are removed the thread is reassigned to a member of the uploader team.

So far, this has happened twice, it's a very rare occurrence and is handled asap. We have a good relationship with the vast majority of devs, which we like to nurture where possible, as it can benefit both them and the community.

 

[Amanda Carter]

On the other hand, i'm sure there are a few people like me who are here not because they want to pirate but because this is the easiest place for us to get informed about the new games. I generally buy the games i like unless the game is old and i can not find it. After all, if everyone pirate their games, those devs would go out of business and there will be nothing to pirate. But the real problem for me is to find the new games and if i have an issue, the forum is a good place to find a solution. Also, there are a few games that i downloaded from the forum to try if i'll like it before buying the latest version.

Therefore, i'm happy with the devs advertising their games.

 

[Bloo]

But that seems to be the concern: devs who post their own game's thread and then intentionally avoid updating their first post with a leaked release from later in that same thread because it doesn't follow their preferred release timeline.

Maybe we need a sticky in the games section to remind people to report threads that are clearly suppressing new releases because they were started by the game's own overly cautious dev.

Even if a thread is created ("owned") by a developer, any uploader, staff and moderator can edit and add new builds, which is the case for 99.99% of threads owned by developers (and all other threads).

Just because you see that i created a thread, doesn't mean that I'm the one updating it every release, it's all of us.

As for when a developer removes links after we've edited them, as you can see by my comment above, we remove their permission.

Here's an example of the Milfy City thread. As you can see, several people have added builds, updated information...