Ren'Py Dilemma of Devotion [Ch.4 Ep.2] [PulseHavenStudios]

[Hawkflight]

This would be great without the sandbox moving about.
I'm sure it could be make quite kinetic and follow a set path.
I tried to navigate around a bit, and it got too much within a few minutes.

I'm sure the game is great, if you want to do all that manual running around and waiting for the quest hours to arrive, but to me that's simply too much hazzle and energy to put into reading a, hopefully, great story.

I agree with some of the lacking info, talked about above, but it looks nice and is probably great.

If you do make a kinetic version I will love to read/play the story/game.

 

[Quetzzz]

I agree with some of the lacking info, talked about above, but it looks nice and is probably great.

Yeah, despite my criticisms, I think the game has a lot going for it. It's mostly the way the stories are told that frustrates me. The order seems off, and the pacing is often much too fast.
There's an event with the MC going to a student's apartment; she says she has other plans, and he goes to another student who's her neighbor. Then the first student enters that apartment, and both start to demand time with the MC... Apparently the MC promised to visit her to watch a movie, but depending on the choices you make, this makes no sense. Why would a conscientious and uncorrupted teacher ever want to spend time with a student alone in her apartment?

Spoiler: Bituka's route is strange as well, depending on choices - some of my notes

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[MiltonPowers]

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[Tuatha Dé]

"Harem: Corruption/Corruptible girls only , Romance girls cannot be put in harem so if you find this odd please refrain from playing"
Does anyone have the list of corruptible girls? and romance girls are basically a relationship only with her or you can have several but they don't interact or something like that?

 

[Shikharisfree]

"Harem: Corruption/Corruptible girls only , Romance girls cannot be put in harem so if you find this odd please refrain from playing"
Does anyone have the list of corruptible girls? and romance girls are basically a relationship only with her or you can have several but they don't interact or something like that?

This is first floor , I will finish all the content for these by december's end.

Then 2nd floor will be started which what I can confirm the first character will be Fubuki.

 

[Tuatha Dé]

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This is first floor , I will finish all the content for these by december's end.

Then 2nd floor will be started which what I can confirm the first character will be Fubuki.

hi, thank you for replying, i have just discovered the game and i have a doubt, i understand that the first therapy is important if i have all the loyalty points that leaves me out of being able to interact with the corruptible girls?

 

[Shikharisfree]

hi, thank you for replying, i have just discovered the game and i have a doubt, i understand that the first therapy is important if i have all the loyalty points that leaves me out of being able to interact with the corruptible girls?

No therapy doesn't lock you out of corruption even if you had the pure one , however if you're corrupt then loyal therapies will be locked away behind the stats and that will result in you not progressing through the main story + the loyal girls for ex one of them being Zoey.

 

[Tuatha Dé]

No therapy doesn't lock you out of corruption even if you had the pure one , however if you're corrupt then loyal therapies will be locked away behind the stats and that will result in you not progressing through the main story + the loyal girls for ex one of them being Zoey.

I want to give you my opinion, I hope you take it constructively, the main problem with sandbox games is the timeline, many times you end up seeing events that should have happened after some events of other characters. I just played Bituka's first event, and there is a yearbook mentioned, and Claire seems to be single now, things I haven't seen yet, I recommend you to place certain conditions for events that make reference to others or if you ever make another game better go for the VN side, the sandbox can give you some freedom but a better constructed story and with more chronological sense in my opinion is better.

Edit: I just realized that you have another game "NBIJ", where Kiara is the main character, is the story of that game linked to the story of DoD, or are they the same characters but in a completely different world?

 

[Shikharisfree]

I want to give you my opinion, I hope you take it constructively, the main problem with sandbox games is the timeline, many times you end up seeing events that should have happened after some events of other characters. I just played Bituka's first event, and there is a yearbook mentioned, and Claire seems to be single now, things I haven't seen yet, I recommend you to place certain conditions for events that make reference to others or if you ever make another game better go for the VN side, the sandbox can give you some freedom but a better constructed story and with more chronological sense in my opinion is better.

Edit: I just realized that you have another game "NBIJ", where Kiara is the main character, is the story of that game linked to the story of DoD, or are they the same characters but in a completely different world?

It is in the same universe yeah.

And I went for sandbox because I wanted players to pick the story of who they wanted to go with , not shove 11 girls in their faces and then make them remember choices of each.

 

[Tuatha Dé]

And I went for sandbox because I wanted players to pick the story of who they wanted to go with , not shove 11 girls in their faces and then make them remember choices of each.

Both have their pros and cons, the only recommendation as I said is to establish more conditions for events that can make reference to others, because for some people interested in the story it is annoying to read something that has not happened and the story starts to become incoherent.

 

[dayumson922]

It is in the same universe yeah.

And I went for sandbox because I wanted players to pick the story of who they wanted to go with , not shove 11 girls in their faces and then make them remember choices of each.

You could've done the same without the thing everyone is complaining about, which is the sandbox. After every scene you ask, "Who do you want to talk to?" or something like that, and the only problem the game has would be fixed. There's always an alternative better than sandbox.

If you look at story games other than horror and puzzles (Broken Sword or Monkey Island), there are practically no story games with exploration, because it truly doesn't work. It's worse for the dev, and it's much worse for the player.

I'm not trying to discourage you; it's just that so many games could be 5* and end up being 3* or worse because of the sandbox, which is a shame.

 

[Quetzzz]

I'm not trying to discourage you; it's just that so many games could be 5* and end up being 3* or worse because of the sandbox, which is a shame.

I tend to agree with this. For me, the only enjoyable sandbox is the type where you use the map to travel quickly to a location that's marked with the icon of the LI and a notification for new content. It needs to be a tool for players to go after the content they like, not a hindrance to finding any content.

 

[z0mbi]

Hate this kind of morning afternoon evening corruption games. It was good till end of the prologue. Don't download if u don't wanna waste ur time on clicking around

 

[Luncor]

You could've done the same without the thing everyone is complaining about, which is the sandbox. After every scene you ask, "Who do you want to talk to?" or something like that, and the only problem the game has would be fixed. There's always an alternative better than sandbox.

If you look at story games other than horror and puzzles (Broken Sword or Monkey Island), there are practically no story games with exploration, because it truly doesn't work. It's worse for the dev, and it's much worse for the player.

I'm not trying to discourage you; it's just that so many games could be 5* and end up being 3* or worse because of the sandbox, which is a shame.

Because, as you said, if the goal was to give the player freedom, that could have been done in the VN mode as well. Or, a progress tracking system could have been implemented that clearly outlined where the player could go, when they could go, and what would happen if they did. None of these things exist.

The developer is being dishonest here. A sandbox mode like this has only one purpose. The content is quite short for a VN mode. If it were a VN, everyone would probably finish the game within half an hour and move on to the next one. But the way the sandbox mode is designed makes it a waste of time, clicking around and searching for a new render everywhere. This artificially stretches half an hour of content into 7-8 hours. As a result, many people delete the game before even reaching this point or simply don't want to play. But no one complains about the game being too short on content.

Why is this beneficial for developers? Because they don't have to deal with hundreds of renders for each update. Just create 50-60 renders. Release the prettiest ones as a sneak peak, drawing players in to hunt them down. Let them click aimlessly everywhere for 3-4 hours to get 50-60 renders.

Frankly, I've seen many games whose potential was destroyed due to this waste of time sandbox design. So this isn't the first time and it won't be the last. It's just shame like you said.

 

[Shikharisfree]

Okay its been an year and I'm gonna make this very clear.

If i wanted to make an VN. I would've done so.

I made sandbox with the choices I know , yes it may not be to someone's liking.

But it is also prefered by other players.

While some of them are just opinions which I respect and I apologize for disappointing you for, some are just vile comments that sound like a 10 year old on keyboard

It is genuinely annoying because the game's tags literally say sandbox and then hearing complaints about it being one is silly.

I get it , some want it to be a vn and maybe once the florida section is fully done we can do that.

However Forcing your will or opinion by 1 star reviews is only telling me to ignore it further , I'm sorry but I want to make the game I want.

I will adjust it accordingly to players will only to an extent not a system overhaul.

 

[Shikharisfree]

Because, as you said, if the goal was to give the player freedom, that could have been done in the VN mode as well. Or, a progress tracking system could have been implemented that clearly outlined where the player could go, when they could go, and what would happen if they did. None of these things exist.

The developer is being dishonest here. A sandbox mode like this has only one purpose. The content is quite short for a VN mode. If it were a VN, everyone would probably finish the game within half an hour and move on to the next one. But the way the sandbox mode is designed makes it a waste of time, clicking around and searching for a new render everywhere. This artificially stretches half an hour of content into 7-8 hours. As a result, many people delete the game before even reaching this point or simply don't want to play. But no one complains about the game being too short on content.

Why is this beneficial for developers? Because they don't have to deal with hundreds of renders for each update. Just create 50-60 renders. Release the prettiest ones as a sneak peak, drawing players in to hunt them down. Let them click aimlessly everywhere for 3-4 hours to get 50-60 renders.

Frankly, I've seen many games whose potential was destroyed due to this waste of time sandbox design. So this isn't the first time and it won't be the last. It's just shame like you said.

All my updates are 600 renders plus , feel free to check the past.

Again accusing developers of being stingy over one moron doing that is just something else

Anyway , cool.

Mind you within an year we have a total of 17k + renders and 230+ animations.

But sure , we are milkers

 

[SafeForSure]

So corruption is harem and love is just a single woman? Who are the corruption girls and how many are there and who are the love girls and how many choices? I really like the game but a bunch of stuff is confusing.

 

[Shikharisfree]

So corruption is harem and love is just a single woman? Who are the corruption girls and how many are there and who are the love girls and how many choices? I really like the game but a bunch of stuff is confusing.

Just about every purple hearted girl can be in harem with some exceptions like Zoey and Jane, so mostly all girls that want to corrupt you or corrupt you indirectly will be in harem

in earlier page I posted an image of what you're asking about , feel free to look back at it.

 

[SafeForSure]

Just about every purple hearted girl can be in harem with some exceptions like Zoey and Jane, so mostly all girls that want to corrupt you or corrupt you indirectly will be in harem

in earlier page I posted an image of what you're asking about , feel free to look back at it.

Thank you for your reply. And love girls are maxed one? And what happens when a corruption girl switches a path does she leave the harem ? Sorry for all the questions but I really like the game but this confused me.