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is there any straight trap content?
Not at the moment
MC ain't a trap so probably not. Whether you could convince Dussop to invent that scenario...maybe actuallly.
You could convince me very easily, very... very easily... I have been toying around with the concept of having Clint and the MC share a woman but that might be too spicy for the crowd that yells NTR at even the possibility that women know other male characters.
Either that or a Nate, Roxy, MC threesome, that would also be fire.
 

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I don't know why you'd consider a potential threesome in a harem as 'Forced sharing content', but no I do not plan to make it avoidable.
It's not NTR to have the women in a harem like each other, if that brings out jealousy within you then... Idk what to say to you but I hope you enjoy the game regardless.
Threesomes do not require girls doing anything sexual with each other let alone outright being in love with each other. What you're thinking of is a poly relationship not a harem. Next you're gonna tell me that the femboys are gonna start fucking the girls too or will you pretend that's different somehow?
It's not NTR to have the women in a harem like each other, if that brings out jealousy within you then... Idk what to say to you
People do tend to get jealous when someone they love is attracted to other people let alone outright being in love with other people. The confusing part is VNs have threesomes where both girls are only attracted to the MC and only love him so the only reason you'd be doing this poly stuff is if you've got a sharing kink which is fine but you need to realise that a lot of people aren't into that.
 
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Not at the moment

You could convince me very easily, very... very easily... I have been toying around with the concept of having Clint and the MC share a woman but that might be too spicy for the crowd that yells NTR at even the possibility that women know other male characters.
Either that or a Nate, Roxy, MC threesome, that would also be fire.
The problem is your idea of a threesome is having harem members do sexual things with each other or fall in love with each other. If the threesome was just two people in love with the MC doing sexual stuff to him at the same time as each other then I don't think people would care as much although having it be avoidable would be the safest option for those who care.

Edit: You also just said "share a woman" followed by "the crowd that yells NTR" lmao unavoidable sharing = NTR.
 
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The problem is your idea of a threesome is having harem members do sexual things with each other or fall in love with each other. If the threesome was just two people in love with the MC doing sexual stuff to him at the same time as each other then I don't think people would care as much although having it be avoidable would be the safest option for those who care.

Edit: You also just said "share a woman" followed by "the crowd that yells NTR" lmao unavoidable sharing = NTR.
So if its multiple women sharing a man it's a harem, but if it's A man and other women sharing a woman then it's NTR? Isn't it basically the same setup?
My understanding of the genres might just differ from yours, my understanding is that NTR is when a man steals another man's woman, not two girls kissing during a threesome.
And perhaps your right, maybe my definition of Harem is too broad and a polyamory relationship is more accurate to my game but there isn't a polyamory tag. And personally I think it's still a harem if the women have lives outside of the main character.
I added a toggle for the gay content to be respectful to the people that aren't into that sort of thing, but to add a sort of anti-sharing toggle would basically remove the entire Last Beacon dimension. Emma and Rin can love each other AND the main character equally, it's not an impossible concept and it's important to their stories. Hell they don't even know they love each other yet, that's the whole point of their character arc up to this point.
The way I have written the main character is not the type of guy to selfishly hoard women to himself as sex slaves, obviously he's dating them exclusively but he's supportive of his friend's feelings, especially if he gets to watch lesbian sex at the end of it.

Bottom line is there isn't choices in my game, so there's no underlying system to make that sort of thing avoidable and for that I apologise.
 

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So if its multiple women sharing a man it's a harem, but if it's A man and other women sharing a woman then it's NTR? Isn't it basically the same setup?
My understanding of the genres might just differ from yours, my understanding is that NTR is when a man steals another man's woman, not two girls kissing during a threesome.
And perhaps your right, maybe my definition of Harem is too broad and a polyamory relationship is more accurate to my game but there isn't a polyamory tag. And personally I think it's still a harem if the women have lives outside of the main character.
I added a toggle for the gay content to be respectful to the people that aren't into that sort of thing, but to add a sort of anti-sharing toggle would basically remove the entire Last Beacon dimension. Emma and Rin can love each other AND the main character equally, it's not an impossible concept and it's important to their stories. Hell they don't even know they love each other yet, that's the whole point of their character arc up to this point.
The way I have written the main character is not the type of guy to selfishly hoard women to himself as sex slaves, obviously he's dating them exclusively but he's supportive of his friend's feelings, especially if he gets to watch lesbian sex at the end of it.

Bottom line is there isn't choices in my game, so there's no underlying system to make that sort of thing avoidable and for that I apologise.
I disagree but for starters Emma said she loves the other girl so it's not "just kissing during a threesome" but also NTR is when someone does sexual stuff with other people without your permission. NTS is when they do it with your permission and you're into it like you write the MC to be but in this context having no choice makes it lean NTR because harem fans didn't sign up for that.
And personally I think it's still a harem if the women have lives outside of the main character.
Nobody says they can't but you seem to think "a life" means "is in love with someone else and also does sexual stuff with other people".
but to add a sort of anti-sharing toggle would basically remove the entire Last Beacon dimension.
This is an acceptable loss for people who don't like sharing content. From what I've gathered you seem to be focusing 99% of your effort on the new dimension and the old ones are kinda just hanging there with characters not being particularly relevant or needed for the story. It's also worth mentioning that Emma has sex with the MC before he decides to set up a "threesome" so there was content there along with the random pink events.
Emma and Rin can love each other AND the main character equally, it's not an impossible concept
Well I disagree. You'd see more pushback if this was between a dude and a girl instead of two girls because most people don't believe this not in fiction nor in real life.
The way I have written the main character is not the type of guy to selfishly hoard women to himself as sex slaves
I'm not sure why you seem to think Harems that don't have the girls doing sexual stuff with each other means they're "hoarding sex slaves" but if you try to write this as a "real" scenario then it falls apart at the Harem/Polyamory level because those relationships never work in real life. Because it's a fictional setting most people write it so that those characters never wanted to bang other people or fall in love with others to begin with because people don't like sharing and it's just a fantasy setting. Harems are also usually just a vehicle to allow the player to bang all the girls without needing like 15 different monogamy save files. It's why VN that do monogamy makes it so each girl has their own different story because replaying that many times isn't viable and as a patreon game it'd mean players might not get a sex scene for their romantic interest for years if they were monogamous.
obviously he's dating them exclusively but he's supportive of his friend's feelings
The thing is you wrote them to have feelings to fulfill your sharing fantasies. If I were treating this as real life I wouldn't have a harem because I think only monogamy can bring true happiness. If these were real people's real feelings I'd encourage them to be with each other because I'm a dimension hopper who doesn't have enough time to give them the love they need and it'd just end with me closing access to that dimension.
especially if he gets to watch lesbian sex at the end of it.
I mean if we're being realistic this is the crux of it. You're into sharing so you wrote them to be into each other. If we pretend this is real life and we wanted to lead everyone to happiness then we would encourage them to not get attached to the dimension hopper whatsoever and possibly even encourage girls to get with regular dudes but because this is a video game and people don't want to play "the adventures of hooking up girls from different dimensions with other partners who aren't me because that's the best for them" they want to play a game in which they have sex with everyone exclusively and make them happy doing so despite that not being realistic.
Bottom line is there isn't choices in my game, so there's no underlying system to make that sort of thing avoidable and for that I apologise.
I'm still not quite sure why you're using Unity because from what I've seen outside of the fishing minigame everything seems doable in Renpy but without needing a custom engine. Maybe it's something that will be relevant in the future but not having player choice sucks especially for fetish content like the stuff we discussed or even other stuff like if you wanted to branch out to femdom or whatever would be controversial to the average gamer. I'm not sure why "choice" wouldn't be one of the first things built into a custom VN engine either because it's not only limiting sexually but also from a plot perspective.
 
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Ok so gameplay/story wise if you were to add a "NTR" toggle it would basicaly remove most if not all of current Rin scenes (since the entire point you hang out with her is for that set up FFM scenario currently) for emma it would be removing only something closer to most recent ones.

Personaly I dont really mind it but thats because I enjoy lesbian content (also idea of seeing emma with a strap on and mc spitroasting rin is too funny in my eyes). Atleast I dont see anyone bitching that the collabs are NTR like certain other games.
One final note more of an nitpick just because someone wants to have a threesome with lesbians doesnt mean they are into sharing and want to hook themup with otherguys.
 
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I disagree but for starters Emma said she loves the other girl so it's not "just kissing during a threesome" but also NTR is when someone does sexual stuff with other people without your permission. NTS is when they do it with your permission and you're into it like you write the MC to be but in this context having no choice makes it lean NTR because harem fans didn't sign up for that.

Nobody says they can't but you seem to think "a life" means "is in love with someone else and also does sexual stuff with other people".

This is an acceptable loss for people who don't like sharing content. From what I've gathered you seem to be focusing 99% of your effort on the new dimension and the old ones are kinda just hanging there with characters not being particularly relevant or needed for the story. It's also worth mentioning that Emma has sex with the MC before he decides to set up a "threesome" so there was content there along with the random pink events.

Well I disagree. You'd see more pushback if this was between a dude and a girl instead of two girls because most people don't believe this not in fiction nor in real life.

I'm not sure why you seem to think Harems that don't have the girls doing sexual stuff with each other means they're "hoarding sex slaves" but if you try to write this as a "real" scenario then it falls apart at the Harem/Polyamory level because those relationships never work in real life. Because it's a fictional setting most people write it so that those characters never wanted to bang other people or fall in love with others to begin with because people don't like sharing and it's just a fantasy setting. Harems are also usually just a vehicle to allow the player to bang all the girls without needing like 15 different monogamy save files. It's why VN that do monogamy makes it so each girl has their own different story because replaying that many times isn't viable and as a patreon game it'd mean players might not get a sex scene for their romantic interest for years if they were monogamous.

The thing is you wrote them to have feelings to fulfill your sharing fantasies. If I were treating this as real life I wouldn't have a harem because I think only monogamy can bring true happiness. If these were real people's real feelings I'd encourage them to be with each other because I'm a dimension hopper who doesn't have enough time to give them the love they need and it'd just end with me closing access to that dimension.

I mean if we're being realistic this is the crux of it. You're into sharing so you wrote them to be into each other. If we pretend this is real life and we wanted to lead everyone to happiness then we would encourage them to not get attached to the dimension hopper whatsoever and possibly even encourage girls to get with regular dudes but because this is a video game and people don't want to play "the adventures of hooking up girls from different dimensions with other partners who aren't me because that's the best for them" they want to play a game in which they have sex with everyone exclusively and make them happy doing so despite that not being realistic.

I'm still not quite sure why you're using Unity because from what I've seen outside of the fishing minigame everything seems doable in Renpy but without needing a custom engine. Maybe it's something that will be relevant in the future but not having player choice sucks especially for fetish content like the stuff we discussed or even other stuff like if you wanted to branch out to femdom or whatever would be controversial to the average gamer. I'm not sure why "choice" wouldn't be one of the first things built into a custom VN engine either because it's not only limiting sexually but also from a plot perspective.
A few things:

Last Beacon and Whole Garden aren't throwaway dimensions, just starter ones that I'm going to return to (whole garden is getting a main quest in 0.25).

Saying cutting basically all of Last beacon is an 'acceptable loss' is crazy and I'm not going to even entertain that idea.

The lack of choices in the game isn't a limitation of Unity, I don't know what would make you think that. There's lack of choices is a deliberate design decision, because it's just not the sort of thing I enjoy in these types of games.

And my desire to have sex with multiple people at the same time is not a 'sharing fantasy' it's normal man. If you want to headcanon Rin and Emma as 'just roommates' , that's fine you can hold down the skip button when they are on screen.

Respectfully, I am not here to babysit your suspension of disbelief, I'm here to tell a story.
 
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Imagine thinking sharing = NTR. Like, why even have separate terms if they're complete synonyms?

Personally, I love the idea of "true" polygamy, where every body is in love with each other. It's a total fantasy, but so are teleporting sex powers.

Either that or a Nate, Roxy, MC threesome, that would also be fire.
Hot.

Given Roxy's... reaction to the knowledge that MC was banging both, I think that would have to have some build up before it felt narratively satisfying, though. Not a massive undertaking, and I love bonding scenes before my boning scenes anyways.
 

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A few things:

Last Beacon and Whole Garden aren't throwaway dimensions, just starter ones that I'm going to return to (whole garden is getting a main quest in 0.25).

Saying cutting basically all of Last beacon is an 'acceptable loss' is crazy and I'm not going to even entertain that idea.

The lack of choices in the game isn't a limitation of Unity, I don't know what would make you think that. There's lack of choices is a deliberate design decision, because it's just not the sort of thing I enjoy in these types of games.

And my desire to have sex with multiple people at the same time is not a 'sharing fantasy' it's normal man. If you want to headcanon Rin and Emma as 'just roommates' , that's fine you can hold down the skip button when they are on screen.

Respectfully, I am not here to babysit your suspension of disbelief, I'm here to tell a story.
Last Beacon and Whole Garden aren't throwaway dimensions, just starter ones that I'm going to return to (whole garden is getting a main quest in 0.25).
Well both of those dimensions have less main characters than the whole of the newest dimension combined so I figured you were just going all in on that.
Saying cutting basically all of Last beacon is an 'acceptable loss' is crazy and I'm not going to even entertain that idea.
You were the one who said the girls falling in love with each other and banging each other was so deeply entrenched into their story that removing it would basically delete Last Beacon as a whole. I'm not sure how having them fall in love with each other and partaking in threesomes where you share girls is something pivotal to the story in such you couldn't make an alternate route or make it avoidable like with gay stuff.
And my desire to have sex with multiple people at the same time is not a 'sharing fantasy' it's normal man.
Wanting to have sex with to people at the same time is a normal fantasy. Wanting them to do sexual stuff with each other isn't. There are plenty of harem games where the girls don't do sexual stuff with each other or fall in love with each other so the only reason you'd do it otherwise is if you thought sharing was hot and considering you outright said you considered having Clint and the MC "share a woman" so even you know it's sharing.
If you want to headcanon Rin and Emma as 'just roommates' , that's fine you can hold down the skip button when they are on screen.
I'm not sure how you can say that the story is so deeply intertwined with Last Beacon that an alternate route or skipping isn't viable and yet suggest I hold the skip button. I'm going to read the story as I'm interested but obviously I'm not going to take it seriously when they claim to love multiple people equally. There's also the case where I have to accept that any character that claims to love you is probably going to bang someone else or fall in love with someone else to fulfill your fetish and I have no say in the matter because let's be honest based on Kit's Yuri shirt, Monroe and what you've said here you're not stopping the unavoidable sharing content you're just beginning.
Respectfully, I am not here to babysit your suspension of disbelief, I'm here to tell a story.
Yes a story that panders to your sharing fetish which never required sharing to begin with. One that I would have been less annoyed at if it was properly advertised as such. Plenty of devs use the overview for "planned tags" and mention stuff like sharing and the sorts of stuff the would be avoidable or unavoidable.
 
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Imagine thinking sharing = NTR. Like, why even have separate terms if they're complete synonyms?

Personally, I love the idea of "true" polygamy, where every body is in love with each other. It's a total fantasy, but so are teleporting sex powers.



Hot.

Given Roxy's... reaction to the knowledge that MC was banging both, I think that would have to have some build up before it felt narratively satisfying, though. Not a massive undertaking, and I love bonding scenes before my boning scenes anyways.
Sharing = NTS which is the consensual version of NTR but if it's unavoidable it feels like NTR especially when the dev randomly decides to spring it on you in what's advertised as a harem game. If you like Poly then that's your thing but the average guy doesn't like sharing and it's more easy to tell how much the average dude dislikes sharing when the sharing in question involves dudes. I was just in another thread where people were calling it NTR when an evil girl who wasn't a love interest and hadn't had sex with the MC had sex with another dude. It wasn't even really NTR either but when it involves sex with other dudes people.
 
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just because someone wants to have a threesome with lesbians doesnt mean they are into sharing and want to hook themup with otherguys.
They don't want them to hookup with other dudes because they're into yuricucking but not male cucking. Sharing fetish doesn't necessarily mean you want to share with dudes some people are only into yuricucking. It's why people will call all sorts of random shit "NTR" even if the character having sex wasn't a love interest but when it's yuricucking they're silent about it because they're into it. Unfortunately this means devs don't take into account people who don't like sharing whosoever sometimes.
 
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Well both of those dimensions have less main characters than the whole of the newest dimension combined so I figured you were just going all in on that.

You were the one who said the girls falling in love with each other and banging each other was so deeply entrenched into their story that removing it would basically delete Last Beacon as a whole. I'm not sure how having them fall in love with each other and partaking in threesomes where you share girls is something pivotal to the story in such you couldn't make an alternate route or make it avoidable like with gay stuff.

Wanting to have sex with to people at the same time is a normal fantasy. Wanting them to do sexual stuff with each other isn't. There are plenty of harem games where the girls don't do sexual stuff with each other or fall in love with each other so the only reason you'd do it otherwise is if you thought sharing was hot and considering you outright said you considered having Clint and the MC "share a woman" so even you know it's sharing.

I'm not sure how you can say that the story is so deeply intertwined with Last Beacon that an alternate route or skipping isn't viable and yet suggest I hold the skip button. I'm going to read the story as I'm interested but obviously I'm not going to take it seriously when they claim to love multiple people equally. There's also the case where I have to accept that any character that claims to love you is probably going to bang someone else or fall in love with someone else to fulfill your fetish and I have no say in the matter because let's be honest based on Kit's Yuri shirt, Monroe and what you've said here you're not stopping the unavoidable sharing content you're just beginning.

Yes a story that panders to your sharing fetish which never required sharing to begin with. One that I would have been less annoyed at if it was properly advertised as such. Plenty of devs use the overview for "planned tags" and mention stuff like sharing and the sorts of stuff the would be avoidable or unavoidable.
This will be my last reply on the matter even though I'm having a great time experiencing your unresolved personal issues.
I do not have a 'sharing fetish'.
The story isn't 'Pandering' said non-existent fetish, though it's funny that you think a story 'requires' anything, a story can be whatever the author wants it to be.
If you'd rather see the Harem in Dimension 69 as a polycule then by all means do so, I'm not going to stop you. If that's the measure you need to take to enjoy the story or avoid the game entirely than that's fine.
In fact it might be better to drop the game now to save yourself the pain, it's only going to get worse for you if this is what tips the scale.
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So if Kit wearing a yuri tshirt is too much for you right now then go play one of those Koikatsu VNs where the main character is an edgy misogynistic prick.
 
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This will be my last reply on the matter even though I'm having a great time experiencing your unresolved personal issues.
I do not have a 'sharing fetish'.
The story isn't 'Pandering' said non-existent fetish, though it's funny that you think a story 'requires' anything, a story can be whatever the author wants it to be.
If you'd rather see the Harem in Dimension 69 as a polycule then by all means do so, I'm not going to stop you. If that's the measure you need to take to enjoy the story or avoid the game entirely than that's fine.
In fact it might be better to drop the game now to save yourself the pain, it's only going to get worse for you if this is what tips the scale.
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So if Kit wearing a yuri tshirt is too much for you right now then go play one of those Koikatsu VNs where the main character is an edgy misogynistic prick.
This will be my last reply on the matter even though I'm having a great time experiencing your unresolved personal issues.
I do not have a 'sharing fetish'.
The story isn't 'Pandering' said non-existent fetish, though it's funny that you think a story 'requires' anything, a story can be whatever the author wants it to be.
Lmao there's no shame in having a sharing fetish bro we all have our own tastes but including sharing when you could easily not have that is pretty indiciative and even yuricucks might not be with you when you want the MC and Clint to, and I quote, "share a woman" or that sort of thing. I don't see why you'd deny it when there's nothing wrong with it. Yes a story can be a polycule or include sharing if you want it to nobody says you can't it's just that without some sort of disclaimer people can feel mislead.
If you'd rather see the Harem in Dimension 69 as a polycule then by all means do so, I'm not going to stop you. If that's the measure you need to take to enjoy the story or avoid the game entirely than that's fine.
Well despite everything I can tolerate a story with poly stuff in it and I might continue playing but obviously I won't take the romance seriously. Kind of like how I can play games with rape/corruption in them but not take them seriously from a romantic perspective. If you want to help avoid this in the future add the sharing scenes to the previews when you make them and/or add a disclaimer about the poly nature of the game and this will help people misinterpreting this game as a pure harem.
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So if Kit wearing a yuri tshirt is too much for you right now
I'm not against women being bisexual but I pointed it out because it's unlikely she's bisexual but only interested in the MC. It just looks like foreshadowing that she's going to do sexual stuff with other girls.
then go play one of those Koikatsu VNs where the main character is an edgy misogynistic prick.
I'm not a big fan of rape which is why I usually avoid games like that and that's also an odd thing to say given that spoiler you mentioned being potentially rape and the game already having a hypno rape scene in the crossover which isn't very feminist of him. That being said for all I know you think not wanting to share is misogyny when nobody says characters can't have sex or relationships with other people they just don't want harem members doing sexual stuff with other people.

Anyways I appreciate the transparency on the future matters of the game and I'll adjust my expectations accordingly even if you need to insist that sharing is necessary for threesomes and can't resist being passive aggressive because someone doesn't have the same sharing fetish as you. There's literally nothing wrong with having a sharing fetish much like there's nothing wrong with not having a sharing fetish. Despite everything, with my new perspective on this being an unromantic sex fest I say you should just lean into it. Especially if that spoiler you shared is going to be used in a sexual way because it will ease people into it happening. This isn't sarcasm either because the lack of choice is pretty much the only thing stopping fetish content but if you're willing to put it on the main route and have people skip over maybe we'll actually see some interesting and varied fetishes because other than sharing and trap content the game is mostly vanilla right now. Roxy and Kit sort of do give off femdom vibes sometimes so maybe that'd happen.
 

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are the kit sex animations bugged for anyone else btw? i loaded a save from the version directly before and when i tried to screw my foster sister the animation would jitter at the end of the loop
 

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are the kit sex animations bugged for anyone else btw? i loaded a save from the version directly before and when i tried to screw my foster sister the animation would jitter at the end of the loop
Animations jitter and struggle on some Android devices, I've tried lowering the quality more to fix that but people then start complaining about that instead, so where it currently stands is the best middle ground I could find. Though I'll check again to make sure specifically Kit's sex animations are transcoded properly.
 
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Animations jitter and struggle on some Android devices, I've tried lowering the quality more to fix that but people then start complaining about that instead, so where it currently stands is the best middle ground I could find. Though I'll check again to make sure specifically Kit's sex animations are transcoded properly.
I tried playing around with the settings, but the result is the same. I should probably mention i'm running this on my PC.
Roxy's and Nate's sex modes work just fine too.
 
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