VN Ren'Py Divinity [Update 2] [toasterkun]

[guard123]

this game is GREAT but please when is the next update?

are renders this difficult?

 

[garbage.kun]

this game is GREAT but please when is the next update?

are renders this difficult?

Hi guard123

glad you liked it, but are renders that difficult...hmm...it depends on the renderer i guess. for me, its quite hard lol for some of the key renders (renders that are very different in cam angle or pose from the previous ones), it would take me about 3-5 hours per render on a good day. once those key renders are good, the transition renders (renders where the cam angle don't change, and the movement is very slight, is quite fast ( 30 minutes per renders maybe)

why does it take that long ? well, apart from life problems (part time job to do, preparation for part time jobs lol, just broke my glasses couple days ago), the difficulty is usually the lighting.

the lighting needs to be good and not "flat" or "uninteresting" on each render and this means that each cam angle/major pose change needs careful adjustment of the lights this usually takes > 1 hour to get it to look good enough 0_0; the more difficult part is actually making sure that the lights are consistent from renders to renders. for example "if that side is that bright in the previous render, then it needs to be the same brightness on the next". the problem is...if i just reuse the same lighting scheme as the previous one, usually the shadows are just bad (example : no highlight on the the eyes etc)

once thats all done, i would then test those renders in a kind of slideshow while playing out the dialogue in my head. in this part, sometime some problems would come up, like "the change of pose is too abrupt" --> make more transition renders

another thing that often crops up in this is the camera angle. the camera angle for each successive renders needs to have a logical sense of movement in pace with the scene (example: the camera can't jump around, rotating > 90 degree from the previous renders, unless its a fighting scene or a dialogue scene where someone exclaims something/something surprising happens. otherwise it would be like watching those artsy, experimental movies with shaky cams all around lol). or, sometime its the angle itself, for example, while watching the slideshow, sometime only at that point that i realize that the angle feels like a documentary movies (flat, wide, scenery ). this would then require me to adjust the angle to focus on ...boobs for example lol (more often than not, its usually the eyes though hahaha ), by placing it on the thirds lines, and perhaps add some tilt to the cam angle to make it more disturbing (this is usually done on illa's scenes. she is usually shown with a slight tilt in the cam angle to give a sense of wrongness/unnaturalness in the scene. if i'm lucky, this doesn't require a lighting change. i'm not a lucky person most of the time lol

those are the..technical challenges. the mental challenges is (i'll be honest here lol), i'm too critical of my own works (impostor syndrome lol )

i hope that answers your question currently, i am adding the finishing touches for the transition renders of the sex scene. but, tbh, i've been failing to make a good enough renders for my standard for a couple of days, and that is my current problem. its a...mental/mindset problem, tbh

lol, and this doesn't touch the problem of animation and writing a good enough dialogue and texts

anyway, here are some renders as a sign of gratitude for your interest some of this are ingame, while some are my weekly "i need to do something else" renders that i posted in my patreon and discord

edit : i think there are more renders that i haven't posted to f95, but i can't remember which one -_-a. my discord are the most up to date place to get my renders,but don't expect any convos there lol its a quiet server




thanks!

 

[guard123]

Hi guard123

glad you liked it, but are renders that difficult...hmm...it depends on the renderer i guess. for me, its quite hard lol for some of the key renders (renders that are very different in cam angle or pose from the previous ones), it would take me about 3-5 hours per render on a good day. once those key renders are good, the transition renders (renders where the cam angle don't change, and the movement is very slight, is quite fast ( 30 minutes per renders maybe)

why does it take that long ? well, apart from life problems (part time job to do, preparation for part time jobs lol, just broke my glasses couple days ago), the difficulty is usually the lighting.

the lighting needs to be good and not "flat" or "uninteresting" on each render and this means that each cam angle/major pose change needs careful adjustment of the lights this usually takes > 1 hour to get it to look good enough 0_0; the more difficult part is actually making sure that the lights are consistent from renders to renders. for example "if that side is that bright in the previous render, then it needs to be the same brightness on the next". the problem is...if i just reuse the same lighting scheme as the previous one, usually the shadows are just bad (example : no highlight on the the eyes etc)

once thats all done, i would then test those renders in a kind of slideshow while playing out the dialogue in my head. in this part, sometime some problems would come up, like "the change of pose is too abrupt" --> make more transition renders

another thing that often crops up in this is the camera angle. the camera angle for each successive renders needs to have a logical sense of movement in pace with the scene (example: the camera can't jump around, rotating > 90 degree from the previous renders, unless its a fighting scene or a dialogue scene where someone exclaims something/something surprising happens. otherwise it would be like watching those artsy, experimental movies with shaky cams all around lol). or, sometime its the angle itself, for example, while watching the slideshow, sometime only at that point that i realize that the angle feels like a documentary movies (flat, wide, scenery ). this would then require me to adjust the angle to focus on ...boobs for example lol (more often than not, its usually the eyes though hahaha ), by placing it on the thirds lines, and perhaps add some tilt to the cam angle to make it more disturbing (this is usually done on illa's scenes. she is usually shown with a slight tilt in the cam angle to give a sense of wrongness/unnaturalness in the scene. if i'm lucky, this doesn't require a lighting change. i'm not a lucky person most of the time lol

those are the..technical challenges. the mental challenges is (i'll be honest here lol), i'm too critical of my own works (impostor syndrome lol )

i hope that answers your question currently, i am adding the finishing touches for the transition renders of the sex scene. but, tbh, i've been failing to make a good enough renders for my standard for a couple of days, and that is my current problem. its a...mental/mindset problem, tbh

lol, and this doesn't touch the problem of animation and writing a good enough dialogue and texts

anyway, here are some renders as a sign of gratitude for your interest some of this are ingame, while some are my weekly "i need to do something else" renders that i posted in my patreon and discord

edit : i think there are more renders that i haven't posted to f95, but i can't remember which one -_-a. my discord are the most up to date place to get my renders,but don't expect any convos there lol its a quiet server

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thanks!

Appreciate your thorough response!


For the dialogue, idk if you are willing to try but creating text and dialogue is difficult. If you want to, you can use AI scripts as it would generate a whole bunch of text that you can then just edit it down to make it easier on yourself and also save time.

The rendering makes sense especially the lighting and angles. no point in a scene if you cant see the characters eyes in the dark.


Also, alot of the visitors to your thread and players to your game are more interested in the sex/porn scenes more than the non sex scenes within the game.

 

[garbage.kun]

Appreciate your thorough response!


For the dialogue, idk if you are willing to try but creating text and dialogue is difficult. If you want to, you can use AI scripts as it would generate a whole bunch of text that you can then just edit it down to make it easier on yourself and also save time.

The rendering makes sense especially the lighting and angles. no point in a scene if you cant see the characters eyes in the dark.


Also, alot of the visitors to your thread and players to your game are more interested in the sex/porn scenes more than the non sex scenes within the game.

Yeah, i'm already using ProWritingAid + GPT to generate alternatives way to write a sentence (both of these tends to focus on different way of creating alternatives, so it gives me more options to mix and match part of the sentence) it does help a lot since i'm not a native speaker so there's a tendency for me to use the same pattern of sentences over and over again if i don't go through it multiple times to make sure the sentences flow are good enough hahaha .

i usually also use the prowritingaid's review feature. but...i feel like it tends to give a too positive feedback lol

Currently i'm only using both of them on a sentence level though, not in paragraph and definitely not in dialogues, because i need to be careful with the pacing and consistency (i have a problem of repeating illa's description over and over again lol)

plus, due to the nature of the media (visual + text), sentences that might sound okayish in just text form sometimes ended up not syncing to what i want the player to notice in the render (example : illa's expression often changes from a smile when she's talking to the MC and changes to a scowl when she talks to another person. but, since the MC is not looking at her, i usually need to find another way for the MC to "feel" her change. (her fingers grasping tighter, or something like that).

the last two problem usually ends up with tweaks in the texts/additional renders after several days of playing the scene over and over again lol

ah, ero renders, right sure, i got some too

thanks for the suggestion 0_0b

 

[lonzee]

beautiful art, but i dont understand lol

 

[garbage.kun]

beautiful art, but i dont understand lol

Thanks destrendi

yeah, the story can be confusing i guess because its told from a pov character with a very little knowledge at the time. if the story is told from an omnisicient, 3rd person pov, the story would be more easily understood, but i think it would also be boring its something that i have difficulty balancing


while i'm here, here's some more of my weekly "for fun" renders


Thanks!

 

[tarzan999]

One one hand I can respect a dev trying to make something different, but on the other I also understand why this game has only 20 pages of comments so far. Playing games like this one while trying to masturbate is just annoying.

 

[ModaGr33n]

One one hand I can respect a dev trying to make something different, but on the other, I also understand why this game has only 20 pages of comments so far. Playing games like this one while trying to masturbate is just annoying.

Disagree, but to each their own.

I suspect it has more to do with there being two updates so far and a newer dev without an established reputation or community.

This guy is also a one-man army working a full-time job while trying to pull off a passion project.

Not like he has infinite time to be chronically online, engaging with the community, and consistently putting out content.

 

[tarzan999]

Disagree, but to each their own.

I suspect it has more to do with there being two updates so far and a newer dev without an established reputation or community.

This guy is also a one-man army working a full-time job while trying to pull off a passion project.

Not like he has infinite time to be chronically online, engaging with the community, and consistently putting out content.

Games that people enjoy playing get a lot more traction faster. Maybe not 500 pages in a year, but close to 100.

And I just don't enjoy the presentation or gameplay. In a successful game like Witch Trainer you just have 1 room and every day you need to call Hermione to your office and pick what you want to do from a menu. 10/10 gameplay for a porn game. This one requires a lot of clicks for not much content or satisfaction. After all this game should be played by people masturbating, right?

 

[ModaGr33n]

Games that people enjoy playing get a lot more traction faster. Maybe not 500 pages in a year, but close to 100.

And I just don't enjoy the presentation or gameplay. In a successful game like Witch Trainer you just have 1 room and every day you need to call Hermione to your office and pick what you want to do from a menu. 10/10 gameplay for a porn game. This one requires a lot of clicks for not much content or satisfaction. After all this game should be playing by people masturbating, right?

What the game 'should' do isn't anything we can be objective about. However, we can be more objective about what the creator said their goals were, which are that it's a passion project and is meant to be niche. Which, for your first game, and only being a side hustle, is valid.

You're more active with the larger community than I am, so maybe you're judging by the criteria of porn games that take off and garner a large following on this site, which, considering its nature, would heavily favor phapabiltiy of the game.

However, I must admit, I found the narrative very compelling and arousing in a way I don't get from many other games. This may have to do with my kinks, or that I'm more narratively stimulated, but whatever, man, different 'strokes'(lol) for different folks.

I will say, though. I would like to see the 3rd update. I understand the creator's circumstances to some extent, but I can want what I want to as a consumer, too.

 

[tarzan999]

What the game 'should' do isn't anything we can be objective about. However, we can be more objective about what the creator said their goals were, which are that it's a passion project and is meant to be niche. Which, for your first game, and only being a side hustle, is valid.

You're more active with the larger community than I am, so maybe you're judging by the criteria of porn games that take off and garner a large following on this site, which, considering its nature, would heavily favor phapabiltiy of the game.

However, I must admit, I found the narrative very compelling and arousing in a way I don't get from many other games. This may have to do with my kinks, or that I'm more narratively stimulated, but whatever, man, different 'strokes'(lol) for different folks.

I will say, though. I would like to see the 3rd update. I understand the creator's circumstances to some extent, but I can want what I want to as a consumer, too.

Of course I have my biases as well, but if you have been a user of this site for a while one of your biases becomes 'make your gosh darned porn game fun to masturbate to. You will make more money because a lot fewer people would close it 5 minutes in and ignore the thread'.

 

[romanfeelwheat]

Of course I have my biases as well, but if you have been a user of this site for a while one of your biases becomes 'make your gosh darned porn game fun to masturbate to. You will make more money because a lot fewer people would close it 5 minutes in and ignore the thread'.

Considering the rate of 1 small-ish update per year, I highly doubt the dev gives that much of a f*ck about our money.

 

[MagnusTempestus6]

make your gosh darned porn game fun to masturbate to. You will make more money because a lot fewer people would close it 5 minutes in and ignore the thread

That may be your experience, and you may even be part of the majority in this forum with that opinion. But this game is fairly explicitly niche by intent of the dev and a small following likes it for that reason. So no, some people, albeit few, do like the occasional oddball of a game.

Not to say there is no valid criticism on how the game went about certain things, there certainly is. But essentially saying the dev should follow the default scheme of porn games more would just make the project less interesting in my opinion.
Let it be a little strange. That is quite often the main appeal of 'underground' stuff if we wanna call it that.

 

[Wicks99]

That may be your experience, and you may even be part of the majority in this forum with that opinion. But this game is fairly explicitly niche by intent of the dev and a small following likes it for that reason. So no, some people, albeit few, do like the occasional oddball of a game.

Not to say there is no valid criticism on how the game went about certain things, there certainly is. But essentially saying the dev should follow the default scheme of porn games more would just make the project less interesting in my opinion.
Let it be a little strange. That is quite often the main appeal of 'underground' stuff if we wanna call it that.

From the correspondence with ToasterKun here so far, I think it's fair to say he/she is highly passionate about the story he wants to tell and hardly pays any attention to the commercial aspects of it.

While certainly the minority, he's not the only one who feels this way. Good thing is we get something beyond the usual generic Daz fuckfest or AI NTR game, bad thing is updates are going to be slow and inconsistent since this isn't a commercial project anyway.

 

[garbage.kun]

From the correspondence with ToasterKun here so far, I think it's fair to say he/she is highly passionate about the story he wants to tell and hardly pays any attention to the commercial aspects of it.

While certainly the minority, he's not the only one who feels this way. Good thing is we get something beyond the usual generic Daz fuckfest or AI NTR game, bad thing is updates are going to be slow and inconsistent since this isn't a commercial project anyway.

Oh, hey Wicks, magnus and modagreen, and tarzan

i'm a he btw lol .

so, i was just about to sleep and found a lot of notifications i hope i can answer them all here:
1. yeah, unfortunately, the game is just not for everyone, tarzan. well actually, not even for the majority of people hahaha thanks for giving it a try though
2. the UI is different : i guess, in a way, i kinda made the UI for my own enjoyment. as in "i want an easy way to navigate between the scenes", and i want them to be non 4th wall breaking. so, i guess its a bit of style over functionality. plus, i want a UI where i can give more renders to the reader without making a contrived way of showing those renders in a plotline that is not important (example a"going to the shop" plotline to show the charas in different clothing)
3. slow updates : sigh...can't deny that. what was planned for a shorter update kinda went off the rail when i started to make the animation and life happens. unfortunately,its still going to be short. so, one of the common comments was that the lack of animated sex scenes. so, i tried making more of them (failed at first, learned some more skills for 1 month or so), and now i'm still making more animations( the quality is still mediocre though hahaha)

to be completely honest and open though , i don't think i can use "having a job" as an excuse for this. i've gotten to knowa lot of amazing devs (lopaphi and lilrooster comes to mind) that have both good update rate and IRL jobs for me,not to go into too much detail, but i want to enjoy my life, and my enjoyment in life is more connected to how happy i am with the things i create than the amount of money i have. that is why i can't really push myself to the amazing effort that those amazing devs can do 0_0b

4. do i care about money? hmm... i don't have a lot of money,thats why now i'm working extra job so, i do need mone,y but its not my priority out of this AVN.

i'm just a guy that enjoys creating things that are pretty/cool/nice for my own eyes. that's why i'm already happy that some people also like it (and i'm also anxiously working in basically all my time when i'm not exhausted for the next,short update aaaaggh )

oh, btw, i actually release quite a lot of renders and previews, and answers the (admittedly rare) questions about game or rendering or things in general in my discord,patreon, X, and pixiv (at least 2-3 renders per week) for those that are interested. i just often forget to post it here because tbh, i don't get much traction on F95 with my renders hahahah, so my mind are more focused on promoting them in other channels

i'll try posting some over here after work tomorrow 0_0b

thanks!

 

[garbage.kun]

Patreon render dump #2

got a couple of minutes before i go to work i think i didn't make any double post of renders this time...i hope

• Stills from animation that are "done" (standard disclaimer : some may get scrapped/changed if i dislike them when i integrate it into the game. still need a couple more animation more done, and their variations (cam angles that are more focused on certain parts, shaking/cumming animation those animations). don't expect a quality jump from the previous one though, i'm no Astreon dev (amazing animation btw in that game 0_0b) and also an amazingly nice dev lol
  
  

• in-setting but not necessarily in game renders (the qualities for all the non in game render varies from "i put too much work into this" to "a 2 hours quick renders to get the idea from my head and let me concentrate on the actual work"

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• non in-setting renders

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Thanks!

 

[Rouruki]

No Android port yet?

 

[garbage.kun]

No Android port yet?

hi rouroki literally minutes from work, so i'll copy paste my (long) answer that i put in my discord

tldr : an android implementation is not currently in my priority. i've heard that the people at F95 have ported the game to android with decent result, but as of now, i do not aim to make an official port for reasons that i will explain below. the main reason is that the Throne Room (basically the chapter select, gallery, and entry point to some lewd scenes) part of the UI is designed to function with 2 way for the player to interact with :

• on hover : the player move the cursor above the interactable area. this will trigger a different animation to highlight that "intent" of the player
• on click : the player click the interactable area. this will trigger the actual decision

as for why the UI is designed to show the "intent" of the player and not just the "result" of the action, here's an example scenario (not fully implemented, but this is how i see it in the future):

1. currently we have a rather unwilling servant. we can choose to show her off in the Throne Room with multiple poses and state of clothing (this part is implemented)
2. not implemented yet : her reaction to our intent would be different when she become more willing (unwilling : she will try to cover up her body, more wiling : well..lets just say she is more eager to show her body)

since android was designed foremost as a touch based UI, it doesn't have a "on hover" type of interaction, and it doesn't make sense for them to implement it (the closest one equivalent ("long press") would be covering interactable element). because of this, if i make an android port right now, the UI although would still be usable, its doesn't show 100% of its features. i am considering making an android port for somewhere in the future(tm), but unfortunately i would need to try to think of a workaround that inherent limitation of android and right now, my priority is just continuing the content,where my progress have been too slow.

i am also considering making a barebone android port where the additional feature would only be the swipe gesture as a replacement for the ESC button, but like i said, my time and energy is quite limited and i have to prioritize them. making something that i know the result would be something that i myself is not satisfied with is not something i can do right now (i need to actually release the long delayed update first)


Thanks!

 

[Wicks99]

Oh, hey Wicks, magnus and modagreen, and tarzan

i'm a he btw lol .

Thanks for the comprehensive response, glad to see you still around.

And of course not that I don't believe you, just that it is also my firm belief that no female developer should be admitting her gender on F95. There were a couple of cases in the past where some horny loons started harassing after finding out that a developer was a she.

All the best on update 3.

 

[Ikalkeki]

Hey hey, I'm not too good with reviews so I'm just gonna say that the game is siiick(in the good sense of the word). I don't care too much about the gooning stuff in this instance, but the story is very neat and a massive mindfuck. Also, My Eldritch Sister(s) Can't be This Cute.