Do you view games here just as porn or something more?

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A bit of a rant:

I'm the first guy to say that video games can be art. But art is not what I come looking here for. I just want to get my rocks off. Because to me most of the games here are porn. A fact that some developers seem to disagree with. Or at least forget.

In porn, anything that detracts from your ability to actually fap is a negative quality. Which is why I don't get developers that for example bog down their games with way too wordy, overly ambitious stories. Or suddenly decide to be all deep, subvert tropes and basically tell the player "fuck off with your wish fulfillment, this is serious fucking business", like in Acting Lessons.

All that... in a porn game. Which presumably the player started up, not because he wants to hear what sort of "deep" observations the developer has on the nature of human condition, but because he wanted to jerk off. And now he cannot do that because he has to click through 15 minutes of really not that interesting story before he can get any action. Or he gets pissed off with the personal drama of the paper-thin characters in the game. That is not good porn game design.

Of course, I'm all for creating meaningful storytelling experiences. But if that is what you set out to do, then be ready for your work to be judged based on a higher standard. The same generic DAZ 3D models, your "ambitious" story interjected with poorly justified sex scenes or clunky gameplay in case of games which include that. We forgive all that stuff because it's a porn game and what matters is whether you can fap to it.

It's not a $100 dinner in a fancy restaurant, it's a cheap burger in a shady joint that you wandered into at 3 AM while completely wasted. And when I do that, I just want something that is filling, somewhat tasty and convenient. I don't want the waiter to take 20 minutes just to set up the table just so I can get some appetizers.

Don't get me wrong though - I'm not saying that you can put some interesting, maybe even ambitious things in a porn game. Stories CAN enhance the experience. But when it starts to detract from the fapping experience, it's not a good porn game.

So, to sum up - remember that, at the end of the day, you are making a porn game. Or, if you are not, then be ready to be judged more harshly because now you are being compared to other, non-porn games. And, if that happens, it might turn out that when the game stops being seen just as wank material, no one wants to read your shitty story.

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So... What do you think guys? Do you see games here just as wank material and think that they should focus on the quality of "action" or do you welcome titles that go beyond that?
 
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If you want wank material, use porn.

A lot of the games here are what could best be described as adult games, not porn games. They're not designed for you to get your rocks off quickly, they are there to entertain, with the option for a wank if you want it.
Give me one example of an "adult game" here where wanking is not the most entertaining part and if you take that out, the rest isn't just kind of "meh"?
 
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polywog

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We need to make a clear distinction between visual novels, and adult game.

Visual novels are picture books with some words, much like porn. Adult games are different, the player isn't just some cuck reading dialog and watching a story, games are interactive. You can't interact with a VN or porn, you're forced to just sit in the corner masturbating while the MC has all the fun.
 

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To be "entertaining" just means enjoyable, you like it. Its a hobby, some make games as a hobby and some play them. The sexual content can make the game more entertaining, but its not the primary reason a lot of people play them. For me, pretty much all the games I genuinely look forward to playing is because I like their stories. Now, can sexual things enhance this story? Sure, but I generally skip through most sex scenes. Poor animations, weird sex "dialog" etc.

I think in general, a good story makes the sexual stuff way better. You start to see the characters as people, not just model renders. You see their personalities, you see their character development. You become emotionally attached to them to a degree. Thats what that scene in AL triggered so many people, including myself. I have only played it once, and I don't plan on doing it again. That scene was just too much, but I can still say its an excellent game.

I've said it before, but IMO playing these games just to masturbate is generally a waste of time and effort. Find a game that has fetishes you like, download the game, extract the game, play the game (or just extract the images), masturbate and then wait months for the next update and repeat. Its so much easier to just go find a video or whatever you prefer on the good ol' reliable private tab.
 
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In my opinion, Visual Novels aren't more than simple slideshows with fancy menus and maybe some animations; with a very few exceptions. So yeah, for me, they're simple porn games that require you to click sometimes to skip some dialogs and maybe change your location.

Now, there's games that actually focus in gameplay and require you to have a certain amount of skill, and use your keyboard for something else than pressing Spacebar/Enter to go to the next dialog or screen. That's what I consider real adult games. Games made with Unity, Action Game Maker, Unreal Engine, RPG, etc.

But hey, that's my opinion. I simply can't seem to have fun playing a VN, but I do know about some people that have the exact opposite of my opinion, and I respect that.
 
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Yes I come for porn but not for clik and watch…
I don’t play visual novel without game play
If I had to do that I just watch or read porn instead…
There are plenty of it out there without need of endless click for no fun or gimmick to play at all
 
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No one is talking about games like Fate/stay night. No one has any doubts that those hold up without the h-content.

Nah I like sex in my VNs, I think it's a part of the human experience and adds a lot.

Also FSN is on this site and unless you think it should be removed https://f95zone.to/threads/fate-stay-night-type-moon.629/ I don't see why it wouldn't be in this conversation.

Basically you're asking for a nukige. And that's great. It really is, I support nukiges 100% and I'm often in the mood for them.

Just contribute to this thread so that there's clear distinction: https://f95zone.to/threads/there-is...ames-and-a-game-with-porn-on-this-site.42464/ and ask the developer to decide before starting their work so they don't get confused about which requests/demographic they want to satisfy.
 
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Nah I like sex in my VNs, I think it's a part of the human experience and adds a lot.
I'm not necessarily opposed to sex in VNs, I just find the way they did in FSN to be kind of "meh". It feels tacked-on. IIRC even the author didn't actually want h-scenes in the game, but the publisher made him put them in there because that's what sells.
Also FSN is on this site and unless you think it should be removed https://f95zone.to/threads/fate-stay-night-type-moon.629/ I don't see why it wouldn't be in this conversation.
Nah, let it be. All I'm saying is that it's not representative of an average game here. Average game here is renpy/rpgm-based daz3D-using indie effort funded by patreon. It's not comparable to FSN.
Basically you're asking for a nukige. And that's great. It really is, I support nukiges 100% and I'm often in the mood for them.
Didn't want to get into the Japanese terms because it would imply to some people that I'm talking exclusively about eroge, not western stuff, but yeah, this exactly what I'm asking for. My problem is with games that are in denial about being nukige. Too much porn-like to be a regular game, but still trying to keep up the pretenses.
Just contribute to this thread so that there's clear distinction: https://f95zone.to/threads/there-is...ames-and-a-game-with-porn-on-this-site.42464/ and ask the developer to decide before starting their work so they don't get confused about which requests/demographic they want to satisfy.
This.
 

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Give me one example of an "adult game" here where wanking is not the most entertaining part and if you take that out, the rest isn't just kind of "meh"?
Try GRAY

Any game or rather VN i try here is primarily for fapping purposes, or atleast it gets me to a point where porn can finish it off. BUT, the whole reason of playing these games is because i got bored of porn. All of them have terrible acting and non-existent stories except for maybe some vintage movies.
So when devs try to implement good stories, i find it as a plus(as long it's not over dramatic/preachy).
 
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A porn game is all about enhancing the experience by tickling the brains reward center, speaking from the scientific side, you'll get a grater dose of dopamine if you work a little to achieve the porn you're fapping to.
The problem with most game is: they can't get the work-reward relation quite right. often they become too grindy and repetitive.
Like everything else, adult games are on a spectrum, some lean towards fapability and some towards story or some other aspect of the the game. Though it's hard to find the perfect game for your personal taste (the reason why people try creating their own games) you can find few that you enjoy more than others for sure.
 

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seems like a pointless distinction. what does it achieve?

since I first found manara, serpieri, and hugo pratt comics in the library more than 30 years ago I've always been drawn to beautiful drawings, mystical stories with some tits and pussy thrown into the mix. that's what I want to see and that's ultimately what I'd like to create. but it takes more skill than I currently have, so here I am settling for less.
 
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I agree with OP that a dev going for a significantly story-centric approach to his game will get judged, by me at least, on a much higher standard than if it were strictly a porn game. I come here to watch and sometimes wank to sexy shit. If I wanted to be taken on an adventure, I have plenty other avenues to enjoy that. That being said, my problem with a lot of these story-centric games is that they don't take advantage of the freedom that being an adult game allows for. Where else can you tell a deep story of incest, rape, and what have you? This industry is not restrictive like the mainstream movie or book industries, you're open to explore all the deep dark corners of storytelling without limit (kinda).