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sex sells always been like that but since i dont have a life i dont mind the wait for the story ironically i think the game will ending around 6 or 7 more updates since we found out about nora black origins
Having sex scenes in it self in an erotic visual novel, they are just par for the course... It was just really disappointing how the first half of this VN was primarily story driven with some erotic scenes now and then, to being almost all erotic scenes, with hardly any plot movement... It felt to me like the author/s were really motivated with the story and plot in the beginning, but either due to boredom, laziness, or some other driving force, decided that sex scenes were either easier or more important or would make them more money, and ruined the experience by going over board with the erotic scenes at that point, and to hell with the story/plot... It's just disappointing and left me feeling annoyed, as it had such great potential in the first half...
 

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Ok, I have quite a bit to say about this Visual Novel/Game... And this is just my point of view, so please don't be offended... From the beginning I was really truely enjoying this VN as the story had a creative and interesting plot... With all the mystery surrounding the protagonist and his new abilities, with an almost detective mystery feel to it... Sure there is erotic stuff as well, but the story was really engaging and sucked you into wanted to know more about what was going on, how will the protagonist figure it all out, who are the bad guys, will the protagonist fall in love, and so on and so on... But as the VN went on, I started to find that the story began to suffer due to various things that I'll mention below...

Visually the characters in this VN was absolutely top notch, and better than most other VN's I've read or played... The backgrounds, when unique, were also good... There were a few backdrops that are copies from other VN's, so the sources were probably the same, which does get a bit tiring after a while... I would love to see more original backgrounds, not the same ones being used from different VN/Games, especially when it's not the same authors... The animations were well done as well... There are a LOT of creepy visuals as well, that tended to sometimes be a little too creepy so much as to just add to the confusion of the plot at times... There is also a lot of body camera panning, some which you can space bar through, and some you can't... At first it happens on occasion, but later it happens quite a lot, which I was glad I could space bar through most of them, because they started to become distractions...

The script and how it plays out is where I found the most problems in this VN... From the beginning, I absolutely loved how it was playing out, with the mystery and character interaction, and the tons of protagonist dialogue and inner monologue... But as the story progressed, so many questions kept coming up with what was going on, and the protagonist started to feel more and more like a clueless sex addict, and it just started to become just a bunch (and I mean a huge amount) of back to back sex scenes, with the occasional small amount of pushing the plot forward... The protagonist would begin to push for more information, and 9 times out of 10 get distracted by more erotic scenes, walking away from it with no new information... Don't get me wrong, this is supposed to be an erotic VN, but too many constant erotic scenes, just destroys the driving points of the main story... Add to that, with so much sex constantly happening, the immersion also began to suffer since it is biologically impossible for a man to ejaculate that much through multiple sex scenes in one day, and do it yet again every day... Nothing leads you to believe that any ability he has includes unlimited ejaculate... Of course, that is just my observation, with so many darn erotic scenes in the last 1/3rd of the VN...

There are lots of scenes/script that only open up based on the decisions the reader/player makes, so it is impossible to see all the content on one play through... Many times throughout a play through, decisions will alter content later in the VN, and in some cases multiple different decisions together will alter what you see and read later in the VN... So going through this VN several times will be required if you want to see it all..

Sex scenes are well choreographed and sexy as hell, but with the VN going from story driven in the beginning, to sex scene driven, with the protagonist just repeatedly having inner monologue about the confusion of what was happening all around him, as the only real driving force to push the plot along, at a snails pace, it becomes a bit annoying... Now, there were moments, very few near the end of the current content, that scenes not involving sex, pushed the story along a tiny tiny bit... But I wanted to see the story progress, not be constantly bombarded with sex scene after sex scene after sex scene... The sex scenes become tedious when presented so often... The VN started to really lose that Novel story driven feel, to being just back to back porn (sometimes creepy porn)... They should have been more spread out with more story filling the gaps... I just don't understand the 90 degree turn on how this VN began to progress...

And the Halloween stuff, when it occurs, both times, it seems totally and I mean totally out of place with what is happening in the story at the moment both events occur... It felt like bonus material that should have been included outside of the main story as a separate entity for viewing, rather then being slipped into the main story at points that make no sense, and just causes more confusion... It also felt like chapter 9 was just haphazardly thrown together, and some continuity is lost with the Halloween stuff...

I feel that shortly after about 3/5ths into the current content, that the story slowed way down in favor of erotic scenes, and it became frustrating to have so many unanswered questions about what was truly going on, and whenever the protagonist would plan out a way to get more information, he would be stymied by more erotic sex scenes and not get anywhere... The inner monologue in the shower scenes and at night, tried to portray that the story was moving along, albeit at a snails pace in the last few chapters, yet sometimes felt like it was just repeating the protagonists confusion again without really being constructive... I started to question if this VN was as good as it seemed during the first half, and the potential that this would be great story driven VN began to just disappear...

By the end of chapter 9, it seems to just be mostly nothing but sex scenes, hardly any movement in the real plot... And it's so hard to tell who is really a bad guy and who is really a good guy... It's so confusing and full of mystery in the last few chapters... I actually began to feel the need to skip some of the last few erotic scenes, just to get the story moving...

Now, in the last half of the vn, there were a few (and I mean only a few) sex scenes that perhaps were probably intended to slightly add to the actual plot (beyond just adding to the creep vibe), and did tease at something more going on then what may be currently known... But they also just added to the confusion and mystery... There was more mystery than answers by the end of chapter 9... You really only know 1 character that is 100% a bad guy, but it isn't the protagonist that knows this, just you as the reader... Every other character could be a bad guy, could be a good guy, could be nothing, and the protagonist is so bad at figuring things out, it's a bit scary...

There were a few moments, especially in the first half, that I felt like there might even be a few love stories playing out between the protagonist and other characters... But by the end, it felt like that aspect was most likely abandoned, and it just become sex, sex, and more sex...

Overall, I'm so disappointed in how things are playing out... Please don't get me wrong, the sex scenes are very well done, creative (albeit some creeped me out during dream sequences), and so forth... But to go from such great promise in the first half to becoming a plot tease, while throwing mostly sex scenes at the reader, it's starting to become tedious that the story has taken such a back seat to the sex, when it started off so strong...

It makes me wonder if all these sex scenes, being added, are just to keep the money flowing in for the author/s, rather than making a well balanced VN that is a piece of art, up there with some of the best erotic VN's... And not just another copy cat 3D porn show... I may try this one again in the future, and I may not... I dunno, because I'm so disappointed with how slow the story is actually progressing at the moment...
No idea why you think from the beginning that this will be next Mass Effect2,The Witcher 3 or Sherlock.
You know that we have 3-5 more episodes?There is no much time to delay sex scenes.MC have 3 more girls to get.Not to mention all will be devastated if MC will have sex only once with each girl.And don't forget the promised threesomes,foursomes and orgy.Maybe ep.10 will be for you because there is indications that will be more story than sex.
only the dumbass MC haven't noticed that yet
Well he let the other head take the leadership.
 

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i wonder if we have an aunt and a cousin moth although i like the artifacts Main charcter mom/daughter and i like milf control mom although she was lacking in personality
The artifact I don't play, but milf's control really have good characters, but like I said for you, before, I'm huge fan of 3d, and in this way DoD and Moth are the best;);):)
 
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The artifact I don't play, but milf's control really have good characters, but like I said for you, before, I'm huge fan of 3d, and in this way DoD and Moth are the best;);):)
I really recommend you play The Artifact bro is the best RPGM game I've played so far. It has an interesting story and still has some nice minigames and beautiful characters of course
 

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I really recommend you play The Artifact bro is the best RPGM game I've played so far. It has an interesting story and still has some nice minigames and beautiful characters of course
I'll try, but I'm not really a huge fan of minigames, I don't have many time for play it, for this reason I don't play till now :):):)
 

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I really recommend you play The Artifact bro is the best RPGM game I've played so far. It has an interesting story and still has some nice minigames and beautiful characters of course
yeah the mini games are really the only downer to it but i love the concept
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you are entitled to your opinion but if you really want a solid story with little sex scenes i would suggest japanese visual novels or dating my daughter
I really do not like the cartoony style of hentai based VN's... They look like children acting as adults, and that is wrong on so many levels... As to DMD, already read that one, along with many others that had really good stories along with the erotic scenes...

This VN was doing fairly well with the story until the halfway point, at which time it began to wane less towards story and more towards erotic scenes... I don't mind erotic scenes, when they are well balanced with the story, but in this VN they started at a normal pace and then the VN became practically nothing but sex scenes... Which I found was a complete turn of how the VN was developing from the 1st half... Almost like it was getting a complete face lift half way through... It was just very disappointing how much it changed from it's original path, and how slow the plot began to become at that point... The first half was excellent, but the 2nd half lost that quality that had me hooked...
 
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I really do not like the cartoony style of hentai based VN's... As to DMD, already read that one...

This VN was doing fairly well with the story until the halfway point, at which time it began to wane less towards story and more towards erotic scenes... I don't mind erotic scenes, when they are well balanced with the story, but in this VN they started at a normal pace and then the VN became practically nothing but sex scenes... Which I found was a complete turn of how the VN was developing from the 1st half... Almost like it was getting a complete face lift half way through... It was just very disappointing how much it changed from it's original path, and how slow the plot began to become at that point... The first half was excellent, but the 2nd half lost that quality that had me hooked...
well i think you be better reading a book then porn games are not driven by indepth stories thats just the way it is same with real porn companies from girlsway brazzler etc its all sex
 
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No idea why you think from the beginning that this will be next Mass Effect2,The Witcher 3 or Sherlock.
You know that we have 3-5 more episodes?There is no much time to delay sex scenes.MC have 3 more girls to get.Not to mention all will be devastated if MC will have sex only once with each girl.And don't forget the promised threesomes,foursomes and orgy.Maybe ep.10 will be for you because there is indications that will be more story than sex.

Well he let the other head take the leadership.
I never even mentioned those, and those are games, not Visual Novels... The 1st half of the 9 chaptered version, was primarily story driven, and there were a fair share of erotic scenes, yet the story was so engaging, deep, and well thought out... But at that half way point a chain reaction began to occur, where erotic scenes began showing up more often, and it wasn't too terrible at first... But then in the last several 1/3rd, the plot slowed down a lot, and the sex scenes started coming one after another, after another, etc... It was such a paradigm shift from how the authors were developing the VN during the 1st half... Hence why I reviewed it the way I did...

Please do not get me wrong... Sex scenes are good and well in erotic visual novels, but usually it's either authors go full out with sex being the actual plot, or they focus on the story and place sex in when appropriate, or worst case there is no real plot just a bunch of sex... This VN had sex scenes in rapid succession literally one would end and right away another would begin and at it's end yet another one would begin afterwhich that game day was over, and it began again the next game day... With absolutely no break between scenes, no plot between sex scenes, and at the end of the day or first thing in the morning, just a short amount of inner monologue with the protagonist repeating the same confusion he already had before more back to back erotic scenes... The fervor of the sex scenes lose their desire and energy, when presented so rapidly and so often...

Dreams for Desire was a well balanced VN in the 1st half that was excellently written, but the 2nd half was out of balance, becoming just another porn movie in VN form with very little in the way of plot growth... And that Halloween content was so out of place in the plot, it really shouldn't be in there, but instead be a separate download or in a bonus button in the main menu, as it made no sense where they placed it in the story...
 
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well i think you be better reading a book then porn games are not driven by indepth stories thats just the way it is same with real porn companies from girlsway brazzler etc its all sex
I tend to disagree, I've read dozens and dozens of erotic visual novels over the last few months... There are plenty of good erotic visual novels out there with deep and fun stories/plot along with the erotic scenes... This particular VN started off as a really good Erotic themed Visual Novel and only in the last 1/3rd or so did it take on a more Porn theme... Erotic Visual Novels are not Porn... Porn has no real story, it is just about the sex, in it's infinite forms... Visual Novels are Novels (aka Stories) with a visual element to support the story...

Some folks seem to think Erotic Visual Novels are Porn Games, and believe me there is a difference... Just because some VN's give the readers the ability to make occasional story choices, doesn't make it a game either... It becomes more like the old Choose Your Own Adventure books from back in the 80's... It's still a story... If I wanted to see porn, there is so much free live action and animated porn movies/shorts on the web, it's laughable... Erotic Visual Novels should aspire to be greater then that... Hence why I find Erotic Visual Novels to be more engaging, since a good story mixed with sex is much more entertaining, then getting my kicks watching a sex video...

I know there are a lot of folks out there who are just looking for some sexy games to play in order to get their kicks... And they find it offensive when other folks give a different opinion of something that they enjoyed getting their kicks with... But take a review/feedback/opinion/etc at face value for what it is...

I'm not asking anyone to agree with anything I've said... I'm just being as honest and detailed as I can when I give my review of a visual novel, based on my experience with it... The critique is meant to shine some light on what I found absolutely great and what I found to be a possible flaws in what I read/watched... That way everyone has an opportunity to see different points of view, and perhaps even help point out things or even compliment things for the author to perhaps, maybe, have more detailed feedback...
 
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I never even mentioned those, and those are games, not Visual Novels... The 1st half of the 9 chaptered version, was primarily story driven, and there were a fair share of erotic scenes, yet the story was so engaging, deep, and well thought out... But at that half way point a chain reaction began to occur, where erotic scenes began showing up more often, and it wasn't too terrible at first... But then in the last several 1/3rd, the plot slowed down a lot, and the sex scenes started coming one after another, after another, etc... It was such a paradigm shift from how the authors were developing the VN during the 1st half... Hence why I reviewed it the way I did...

Please do not get me wrong... Sex scenes are good and well in erotic visual novels, but usually it's either authors go full out with sex being the actual plot, or they focus on the story and place sex in when appropriate, or worst case there is no real plot just a bunch of sex... This VN had sex scenes in rapid succession literally one would end and right away another would begin and at it's end yet another one would begin afterwhich that game day was over, and it began again the next game day... With absolutely no break between scenes, no plot between sex scenes, and at the end of the day or first thing in the morning, just a short amount of inner monologue with the protagonist repeating the same confusion he already had before more back to back erotic scenes... The fervor of the sex scenes lose their desire and energy, when presented so rapidly and so often...

Dreams for Desire was a well balanced VN in the 1st half that was excellently written, but the 2nd half was out of balance, becoming just another porn movie in VN form with very little in the way of plot growth... And that Halloween content was so out of place in the plot, it really shouldn't be in there, but instead be a separate download or in a bonus button in the main menu, as it made no sense where they placed it in the story...
The Halloween stuff was only bonus for elite patreons.Think for it like a DLC.We here just get all the extras.Like a season pass.But if you want you can remove the extras.
 

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DOD had my attention when I falled in love with Tracy, seriously not joking about this. Sin didn't answered me if she was based out of a real person he knew, or if she was drawned out of the blue, but you know what? WHO CARES? TRACY IS FUCKINGGGGGGGG HOT! She has my heart alright!!!


even if she's just virtual, I would rather have a beautiful drawing in my bedroom until I die, than some female real human-being who is a gold-digger or backstabbing b*tch who is only going to make me suffer in real life... am I the only one dat feels like dis? Oh well, I just ask in a humble way to DOD step into a 3D animation more immersive, and somebody already said what technique/upgrade is this but don't ask me I don't know and I'm too lazy to research it, but it would be really awesome to see that, rather than a slideshow back and forwards, that way we will have an engine that feels more real in terms of sex and animated moves. Catch my drift? Cheers and hf with the game! :eek:penedeyewink:
 

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The Halloween stuff was only bonus for elite patreons.Think for it like a DLC.We here just get all the extras.Like a season pass.But if you want you can remove the extras.
During my play through over the last 2 days, I didn't see any option to remove it from appearing in the story line... I read the elite version and both Halloween events appeared right in the middle of the story progression, at moments that made no sense and had no continuity with the story before and after they appeared... They really should just be a bonus button from the main menu for separate viewing, and not in the play through of the main story...

All other Elite content, beyond the Halloween event and the Halloween Revenge event, fit properly into the story line as far as I could tell... Which was very cool and I enjoyed the extra content... If I could have removed, just the Halloween stuff and not the rest of the elite extra content, I probably would have, but I saw no option to do that, beyond just space baring through it...
 
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I really recommend you play The Artifact bro is the best RPGM game I've played so far. It has an interesting story and still has some nice minigames and beautiful characters of course
I tried playing The Artifact a couple times, but I'm not a real fan of the RPG Maker's old style Nintendo game feel for how it plays... I did play it for a short bit, but the mini-games also kind of killed it for me... RPGM games are more arcade game like in their portrayal of story, where as I like the more Novel type approach of Ren'Py style visual novels... I don't even mind some of the more grindy style visual novels as long as there is plenty of story being told and it's not too overly grindy...

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure The Artifact is tons of fun for a lot of folks, it's just not my cup of tea on it's play style...
 

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Enjoy the game:)
Nice Christmas present
 
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I really do not like the cartoony style of hentai based VN's... They look like children acting as adults, and that is wrong on so many levels... As to DMD, already read that one, along with many others that had really good stories along with the erotic scenes...

This VN was doing fairly well with the story until the halfway point, at which time it began to wane less towards story and more towards erotic scenes... I don't mind erotic scenes, when they are well balanced with the story, but in this VN they started at a normal pace and then the VN became practically nothing but sex scenes... Which I found was a complete turn of how the VN was developing from the 1st half... Almost like it was getting a complete face lift half way through... It was just very disappointing how much it changed from it's original path, and how slow the plot began to become at that point... The first half was excellent, but the 2nd half lost that quality that had me hooked...
Try Goog Girl gone Bad, the story progresses at the pace you choose, the sex scenes never feel forced or disconnected from the plot.
 
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