OhWee

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I've tried looking up both Sunset Riders and figuring out what "DS" meant, but nothing worked out. I'd love to know what those are all about!
DS is Daz Studio, at least in this context.
I'm not familiar with Sunset Riders.
 
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No 'ds' is DarkSilver. The dev of the infamous big brother game...
OK. I guess I stand corrected. He said them, not him, and DS is an abbreviation us Daz users use regularly on the Daz forum, so pardon my confusion.

Thanks for the clarification in this context.
 
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Goku_Blackish

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This has now been added to my favorites list. I had to go and support lewdlab after playing this game. It looks like there have been constant updates with story progression. Finally a creator I can get behind. (Wait did that come out right?)
 
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krmit

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Getting that error with Tracy at the coffee shop. I thought that was fixed already? Using the PC version.

Edit: I see I have an outdated version. I figured the one in the OP would be the most up to date.
 
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Sieg Linde

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Getting that error with Tracy at the coffee shop. I thought that was fixed already? Using the PC version.

Edit: I see I have an outdated version. I figured the one in the OP would be the most up to date.
Mine still does that too even from the 5.0 in OP. I can kind of understand with the way mine did it though. The morning is supposed to be timed and if I move one room away after 3 events it goes to afternoon, and if I make that room the coffee shop it gives the error when I hover over Tracy.
 

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Saw this guys patreon the other day, the lad is making around 13k a month... :O

Its an Ok game, but I don't even think DarkCookie gets this does he?
 

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Really? You obviously have zero business experience because anyone who has the least business experience knows that to expand busainess you have to spend money on infrastructure. It's called a "sunk cost".

Just how much do you think it costs to make a game each month? If the dev (any dev here, not bad-mouthing Sin specifically) was living off (let's say hypotnetically) $35,000/year, and with Patreon they could suddenly make $60,000/year, don't you think with the $25,000 'extra' they couldn't afford to upgrade the equipment needed to make the game?

Or are you being self-centered and assuming that trhat extra $25,000 doesn't need to be reinvested in the "business" at all? Maybe that dev is ok to spend all that extra cash to make a live-action movie for themselves with porn actors (*cough* Sunset Riders *cough*) and not actually, you know, show return good faith with your supporters and show them that their patronage of you will reap real, improved delivery rewards, and not just selfish, self-centered benefits to the devs only?

Look, 4-6 kick ass PC's can easily be built/bought for less than $1500/each. Considering some of these dev's are making 10X that in a MONTH I don't see where the reinvestment in improving production of the game , which would get more people to invest as a Patreon, is a negative benefit. Or perhaps the dev could delay releases or decrease the amount of content each month, which would in turn cause the high patreon subs to stop their support. Seems like improving/increasing the capacity to add more to the game is a win/win and no brainer situation for any dev once they reach a certain amount of Patronage.

Then again, look at DS and all the idiots that give them money, so you know, there are suckers born every minute.
Differance is ds makes claims he hiring people sin however has hired people and many have spoke to them. His current aim is to have about 10 staff members and have enough money to live on. Sin is one of those rare devs that actually spend the money to build a games company. Yes this update was a bit lacking, however when you consider hes taken on new staff who hes had to talk through everything with hes doing better than most would. And as for kick ass pc as a person who has spent thousands helping devs get established and pledging to tonnes of devs ever month i can tell you now that wont get you much at all. Biggest problem for devs are the pcs. The absolute top of the line pcs are about 8000 dollars. They allow you to render 4k images the quality is insane, however once you have posed in daz you have to render the image. Renders can take upto 1 hour even on the best rigs. And while its rendering the rigs useless. Keyboard lag prevents you from coding while an image is rendering. Once a renders finished most devs improve it further with photoshop. Sadly sins quality is so high its extremely time consuming. Now he has a few coders speed should increase on production, however i doubt with the little hes been earning that he has had enough to buy multiple expensive rigs. And i camt speak for other pledges but for me i support the dev not the game. I agree ds has lost his way and i wont be a pledge anymore if next update sucks. Calling people suckers because they want to help nurture a persons talent and ensure they become successful is a bit stupid. Its like saying teachers are suckers for wanting to teach our children.
Also please remember patreon takes a cut tax man takes almost half sin isnt making as much as you think.
 

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dc gets more then that.
Well it really does not matter.

These guys can only go at a certain pace.

You can pay them $50 a month or they could be receiving $1.000.000 a month, and the game would still be crawling at the same pace.

Unless he hires more people.

So you see this is balance between his personal ambitions to get this game done and his greed.
What I mean here is the following.

If he is alone, making this game and he receives $1000, he will still do it.
If he is alone, making this game and he receives $5000, he will still do it.
If he is alone, making this game and he receives $15000, he will still do it.

Now, depending on his greed, and how much is he willing to "let go" in order to employ another dev to help him, is entirely up to him.

He can keep getting more and more, but remain a single individual working on this game, not paying anyone a dime, and his game would still be cumming out at the same pace as before. or he can hire 3 people and it would be at least 2x faster.
 
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The OP is not updated, then small summary:
Last version is DreamsOfDesireEP5-1.0b-ELITE


mac:
pc:

Mirror:
PC:

Walkthrough:

You can find a patch EP5-1.0 to EP5-1.0b (Elite):
(very) Compressed versions: &
 
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Love the game, love all the women in the game for different reasons but sad about small update. Makes it a long month until the next one being left on such a sexy cliffhanger...

I have to admit though, very perplexed on the date with Abby the statement that Tracy always speaks fondly about MC. Also, wishing out loud that Mom lets her hair down every now & then. Also a bummer that you had to pick between the 3 for your day out and couldn't just do all 3 routes over a week.
 
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I really like the art of this game (one of the best) but IMHO the development of the story feels like...random (obviously it's also because of the hypnosis stuff).

For example for the next update I would expect penetration because in this one the girls were practically begging for cock...but I'm not sure :-/

Well...we will see ;)
 

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flowing? we know exactly the same since Ep2, nothing about dad, nothing about the terminal illness, nothing about what or why the spell appear, nothing about why Tracy try to get rid of mc or why she send alice away, the last 2 episodes Tracy says you will understand later, but when?
@Rosa Melano hmm well let me see we now see that the dream world can come into the real world, what will this do? we see the creepy guy having a huge effect on anyone you've used the spell on, so what is going on there? We know that the aunt is slowly coming under the MC's control. We also see the Mom start to try and stop the action between MC and her, she feels it is wrong but seems circumstances keep that from happening thanks to the spell in part.... We have learned that eventually the MC will be able to come into the dream world on his own.... I'd say we've learned a great deal more than you are talking about.

Meh update, it is just too slow and it is milking it is not on the level of Dating my Daughter milking but it is still milking. I think it's biggest problem is that it tries to cover so much characters at once and i think he does it on purpose so you get little content each update, like i said, milking.
@Takemura well i respect your opinion is this way but I disagree that it is being milked. if you can do this better why don't you make your own and see how it works and if you can get a better game/visual novel going!!! I know I couldn't. I challenge you to do so and show sin how it is done (everyone else: please note I love what sin is doing here , it feels good)
 

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Love the game, love all the women in the game for different reasons but sad about small update. Makes it a long month until the next one being left on such a sexy cliffhanger...

I have to admit though, very perplexed on the date with Abby the statement that Tracy always speaks fondly about MC. Also, wishing out loud that Mom lets her hair down every now & then. Also a bummer that you had to pick between the 3 for your day out and couldn't just do all 3 routes over a week.
When I was younger, my big brother (in real life) would pick on me because he was my big brother and I was still learning. I found out later that he'd tell everyone without me knowing how good I was with computers, how smart I was... Siblings will tend to pick on each other and praise the other to their friends. It's a wierd way but one way to express the love for someone. In this case the MC and Tracey don't get along at home but Tracey has respect for what the MC does and because it's how things are continues being a bitch to the MC. You might have noticed that she wasn't such a bitch in front of the girl at the tanning salon till they were alone.... :)
 
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