VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dual Desires [v.0.1.5 + Extras] [AfterLust]

[MixQQ]

I've seen this argument so many times and it is always so absolutely idiotic.

The only way this is would be valid is if the dev is a no life loser that just likes wasting his time making porn games and doesn't expect any return from doing it.

If they do want to make money then they need to actually know what their intended audience wants, how would they know if they ignore all criticism like some egomaniac redditor who thinks their shit doesn't smell.

Second, even if the dev has a vision, there's no guarantee that vision is worth shit, a clear example is this game, dev had a a clear vision that no one else liked, except him and the usual cheerleaders of the site who are afraid of expressing criticism or being seen as "negative". Do you really think this game doesn't have enough quality in its renders to succed if the dev had delivered a different story??? This game has better renders than 90% of other games here, yet it was getting buttfucked by its awfully written characters and plot.

Those positivity cheerleaders usually push devs to "follow their vision" and ignore all criticism. The result? Well, you are seeing it right there, he wasted close to a year working on a project that was dead from start.

Devs are trying to sell their games, so they need to make content people are willing to pay for. That's also why the most successful devs know their audience very well and know what content they want and what other to avoid.

The thought that a dev can come out and just deliver whatever the fuck he wants without considering the audience he is trying to appeal to, is the reason a lot of games fail. This being a great example of that.

This trash game is abandoned and it is not because of some random user posting mean comments on the forum or on discord, it is not because of people criticizing his game, or asking for changes, shitting on tags or whatever. It is the money. That's all that matters, if he was making lots of it he wouldn't care about 90% of people here trashing his game, he would keep going while just laughing about it.

I sometimes wonder if these people who think some "mean" comments are going to make a dev abandon a lucrative project are really adults or are they just that naive or delusional.

And they always say those "loud" people that "pressure" the dev never pay, so then all the other people who supposedly love the game and are the actually majority.... Why dont they pay for it either??????? Because no one is paying for this last I checked.

If they did put their money where their mouth is then those game wouldn't get abandoned but alas, they never do.

So they encourage devs to waste time and resources on games that are bound to fail, encourage him to ignore all criticism that would perhaps help him to turn things around, they don't actually support him monetarily either, and when the game fails, they then pretend it was because of some mean comments???

If I didn't believe they are just low iq I would suspect they have actual bad intentions when doing this.

damn.. this post should be pinned somewhere. You perfectly described everything what's going on here and in the whole avn industry. I'm not suprised about your statment, you are here long enough (6 years) to know exactly how situation looks like

 

[rafa30]

Abandoned? Why?

 

[fajiker145]

Abandoned? Why?

Play it and find out

 

[ur1booger2]

Feedback = good, not considering it = Bad, Bye Bye...

 

[Meloned]

Both of the dev's game looks lovely, comeback please

 

[Danyboyrojas995]

Does this update incluyes only the Side story or it also avances in the main story?

 

[hakulaku97]

Does this update incluyes only the Side story or it also avances in the main story?

only side story

 

[Lucozade]

probably the same illution which most likely will be with every new developer.

They all think they can come up with a game, do 2 short updates, and expect people to throw support them so they can make tons of money instantly. Then they realize it's not gonna be that way (with few exceptions).
The times where every crap is been hyped, because there are just a few games overall, and you have to "like" them just because there's lack of alternatives, are gone long time ago.

The market is saturated with hundrets of games and developers which probably do better games and more reliable.
Even for well established developers it's getting harder to maintain their supporters.

So in other words, if you want to make money as a new dev (or even want to make a living out of your work fulltime), you either need to come up with something really innovative, or you have to deliver high quality content to play in the same league as other top developers. Both is most unlikely (but not impossible) for new devs.
You need a top render farm to produce updates filled with enough content in an acceptable timespan (even more as animations are expected nowadays and consume huge ressources to create).

OR:
They need to create their games just because of their passion (like years ago), and MAYBE .. just MAYBE ... they will get some supporters over time, but ONLY if they deliver fine content.

NO ONE is throwing money to a new dev with uncertain reliability anymore - they need FIRST to deliver several updates, and THEN maybe ask for further support.
Thinking to be able to get full support after 1-2 crappy releases is just a huge illusion.

Easier said than done.

 

[Lucozade]

You should really support creators so they don’t stop. This game has everything—story, high-quality renders—and I’m sure the author could come up with many amazing things in the future. But without support, there’s no motivation. You’re like spoiled kids who want everything for free and justify yourselves by saying, ‘Oh, he released one or two short updates and abandoned the project.’ People like you will never support anyone; you just talk trash and manipulate creators, acting as if they’re as shortsighted as you. You’re very foolish—it’s time to grow up. Take ICSTOR as an example; he still has tons of paying subscribers even though he hasn’t released updates for years. Or SUBVERSE, where they didn’t even give players access but showed a preview of what could be expected, and only after collecting the funds did they have the motivation to make the game. AfterLust has just 32 paying subscribers, which is insanely low for such high-quality content, but you’re too dumb to understand that.

 

[JJohns2049]

Dual Desires [UNIVERSAL] [AfterLust]

NOTE: As title says "UNIVERSAL", game is abandoned anyway.

INCEST PATCH:

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- PIXELDRAIN - WORKUPLOAD

Great incest patch.... [end sarcasm]

 

[Loxxxthenasty]

You should really support creators so they don’t stop. This game has everything—story, high-quality renders—and I’m sure the author could come up with many amazing things in the future. But without support, there’s no motivation. You’re like spoiled kids who want everything for free and justify yourselves by saying, ‘Oh, he released one or two short updates and abandoned the project.’ People like you will never support anyone; you just talk trash and manipulate creators, acting as if they’re as shortsighted as you. You’re very foolish—it’s time to grow up. Take ICSTOR as an example; he still has tons of paying subscribers even though he hasn’t released updates for years. Or SUBVERSE, where they didn’t even give players access but showed a preview of what could be expected, and only after collecting the funds did they have the motivation to make the game. AfterLust has just 32 paying subscribers, which is insanely low for such high-quality content, but you’re too dumb to understand that.

Is something wrong with u??? Many of us can't stomach mentally jarring materials.. I had hope for it myself honestly, but the MC personality is utterly unrelatable not to mention the fact the mom was given a toxic unloving unlovable feel.. towards her son?? The renders are top notch for sure but the story is SHIT!!
THE KINDA SHIT YOU ACCIDENTALLY STEP INTO...

 

[Bmagada]

I've seen this argument so many times and it is always so absolutely idiotic.

The only way this is would be valid is if the dev is a no life loser that just likes wasting his time making porn games and doesn't expect any return from doing it.

If they do want to make money then they need to actually know what their intended audience wants, how would they know if they ignore all criticism like some egomaniac redditor who thinks their shit doesn't smell.

Second, even if the dev has a vision, there's no guarantee that vision is worth shit, a clear example is this game, dev had a a clear vision that no one else liked, except him and the usual cheerleaders of the site who are afraid of expressing criticism or being seen as "negative". Do you really think this game doesn't have enough quality in its renders to succed if the dev had delivered a different story??? This game has better renders than 90% of other games here, yet it was getting buttfucked by its awfully written characters and plot.

Those positivity cheerleaders usually push devs to "follow their vision" and ignore all criticism. The result? Well, you are seeing it right there, he wasted close to a year working on a project that was dead from start.

Devs are trying to sell their games, so they need to make content people are willing to pay for. That's also why the most successful devs know their audience very well and know what content they want and what other to avoid.

The thought that a dev can come out and just deliver whatever the fuck he wants without considering the audience he is trying to appeal to, is the reason a lot of games fail. This being a great example of that.

This trash game is abandoned and it is not because of some random user posting mean comments on the forum or on discord, it is not because of people criticizing his game, or asking for changes, shitting on tags or whatever. It is the money. That's all that matters, if he was making lots of it he wouldn't care about 90% of people here trashing his game, he would keep going while just laughing about it.

I sometimes wonder if these people who think some "mean" comments are going to make a dev abandon a lucrative project are really adults or are they just that naive or delusional.

And they always say those "loud" people that "pressure" the dev never pay, so then all the other people who supposedly love the game and are the actually majority.... Why dont they pay for it either??????? Because no one is paying for this last I checked.

If they did put their money where their mouth is then those game wouldn't get abandoned but alas, they never do.

So they encourage devs to waste time and resources on games that are bound to fail, encourage him to ignore all criticism that would perhaps help him to turn things around, they don't actually support him monetarily either, and when the game fails, they then pretend it was because of some mean comments???

If I didn't believe they are just low iq I would suspect they have actual bad intentions when doing this.

Its both. How hard is that? They want to make what they want to make AND they want to make money doing it. However this entire forum has a problem, there's criticism and there's "why don't you just do what I want even though this game was never made with my tastes in mind and if you don't you're a stupid piece of shit that will never amount to anything". They are just as bad as anyone who does that every kid deserves a trophy bs.

There's very little in between and then people wonder why these devs don't listen to them. These are the same people that will think they know whats best for devs like DPC and then claim probably the best rated AVN is somehow trash because theres no scene with a girl licking the MC's asshole. Want a dev to take your criticism seriously? This is probably not the place to do it with all the noise that comes through on this forum. Even worse is getting offended that they don't jump to change their game for you. Imagine screaming into the void about how you must be a genius and everyone else is low IQ, yet you've nothing to offer to show your advice means dick amongst the rabble of milf_lover34xxx and whyd0es1tsm3llw31rd22.

I honestly think this game has some of the worst writing with how these characters interact and how the mom is coming off rapey af, but its not my game. If the dev is getting subs with it, then good for them and they are probably gonna listen to those subs than anyone. If they aren't then the same obnoxious noise that comes from every other forum for every other game is not going to help much. You think they're stupid for not taking forum opinions as gospel from random unknown users? How many top tier AVNs have they dropped? Cool....then its an opinion and its just as stupid as an inexperienced dev making guesses. Its literally just as obtuse as the 5 star squad that think games on their initial release are worth a perfect score. Its just more noise.

Sometimes people have good ideas and they click and sometimes they don't. Either way thinking there's no artistic incentive to any creative endeavor is simple at best, and just purposefully ignorant at worst. Some devs do need encouragement when someone thinks they have something special and yeah maybe not all the positive shit aren't all from people who pay, but even if they took all your criticisms and fixed their game, guess who would still never pay?

 

[Dustellar]

Abandoned? what a shame, the models are fantastic, I really like the mom, even if there are some NTR vibes, you just know he will fuck her eventually and have a threesome.

 

[fajiker145]

You should really support creators so they don’t stop. This game has everything—story, high-quality renders—and I’m sure the author could come up with many amazing things in the future. But without support, there’s no motivation. You’re like spoiled kids who want everything for free and justify yourselves by saying, ‘Oh, he released one or two short updates and abandoned the project.’ People like you will never support anyone; you just talk trash and manipulate creators, acting as if they’re as shortsighted as you. You’re very foolish—it’s time to grow up. Take ICSTOR as an example; he still has tons of paying subscribers even though he hasn’t released updates for years. Or SUBVERSE, where they didn’t even give players access but showed a preview of what could be expected, and only after collecting the funds did they have the motivation to make the game. AfterLust has just 32 paying subscribers, which is insanely low for such high-quality content, but you’re too dumb to understand that.

No one should do shit, it's their money, they can wipe their ass with it if they want. And, unironically, that would be a better use of their money than supporting this.

It is up to the creators to earn that money by making games that are worth paying for. And this one is not it, great renders but the rest is shit, crap, dung, excrement, feces, etc.

you’re too dumb to understand.

You should read this line while looking in a mirror, it might help you realize some things.

 

[chatlakman06]

Is there any content with the MILF?

 

[WastedTalent]

You should really support creators so they don’t stop. This game has everything—story, high-quality renders—and I’m sure the author could come up with many amazing things in the future. But without support, there’s no motivation. You’re like spoiled kids who want everything for free and justify yourselves by saying, ‘Oh, he released one or two short updates and abandoned the project.’ People like you will never support anyone; you just talk trash and manipulate creators, acting as if they’re as shortsighted as you. You’re very foolish—it’s time to grow up. Take ICSTOR as an example; he still has tons of paying subscribers even though he hasn’t released updates for years. Or SUBVERSE, where they didn’t even give players access but showed a preview of what could be expected, and only after collecting the funds did they have the motivation to make the game. AfterLust has just 32 paying subscribers, which is insanely low for such high-quality content, but you’re too dumb to understand that.

So tired of hearing these support development arguments. First of all I don't know the exact number but if you scroll to the end of the pages from latest updates backward to the first page you will see that a high number of these projects are abandoned. Look at as a primary example one of the most controversial titles Big Brother. That one had tons of support and the dev poofed. Also what other industry do we pay for development. I'm not trying to squash aspiring dev's but have been burned too many times by dev's who don't take feedback well or who abandon their work. So yes I will only pay for a completed project. I won't even support development for long time dev's who have several completed titles. Not because I don't appreciate them but when I shop anywhere else I don't buy incomplete things. Also think of it like this. For the dev's who interact here this is basically a huge beta test market for them. They get feedback for free that would otherwise probably cost them a lot. That being said for those who want to support dev's for their unfinished works that is up to them, but stop trying to tell others they should. It's a choice. We all have our own reasons for making those choices. Also look at some of the cycles. It's all over the place. Some dev's release every ... it varies between dev's. There is no one standard that works for every dev. But if the cycle is a really long time regardless of quality where is the value to the supporter? However if the cycle is too short and many times the dev is under the gun to release even the tiniest most unsatisfying installment again where is the value? Like I said to each their own but that just isn't for me.

 

[fajiker145]

. For the dev's who interact here this is basically a huge beta test market for them. They get feedback for free that would otherwise probably cost them a lot.

Nah bruh, they should just ignore all criticism and just go forward, artistic integrity or some shit like that ya know? Who cares about actually making money.

Worked pretty well for this dev apparently, he kept going with his vision, changed nothing, and proved everyone wrong and then ........ he woke up

 

[WastedTalent]

Nah bruh, they should just ignore all criticism and just go forward, artistic integrity or some shit like that ya know? Who cares about actually making money.

Worked pretty well for this dev apparently, he kept going with his vision, changed nothing, and proved everyone wrong and then ........ he woke up
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Honestly it depends on the dev. There are some dev's who do this just because they truly enjoy doing it. Then there are those who think it should be a cash cow. The truth is about 3-5% of dev's actually make a living wage doing this. So if it's not a hobby or something they are truly passionate about they really should consider putting their efforts into something with a higher chance of ROI. However just like people walking into a casino every dev here wants to be the exception not the rule. I get we all wanna beat the odds and it's a beautiful thing when someone does but, how arrogant do you have to be to expect that you are the exception to the facts/rules.

 

[fajiker145]

Honestly it depends on the dev. There are some dev's who do this just because they truly enjoy doing it. Then there are those who think it should be a cash cow. The truth is about 3-5% of dev's actually make a living wage doing this. So if it's not a hobby or something they are truly passionate about they really should consider putting their efforts into something with a higher chance of ROI. However just like people walking into a casino every dev here wants to be the exception not the rule. I get we all wanna beat the odds and it's a beautiful thing when someone does but, how arrogant do you have to be to expect that you are the exception to the facts/rules.

I can count the devs who don't do this for money with a single hand. They usually dont even make a patreon or a way to be supported since they don't want to feel indebted to their supporters or feel like they owe them something, they want to be totally free to do what they want with their game and I can respect that.

99.99% of the others? They are looking for money, maybe they dont expect it to be their main source of income but, they have an idea of how much money would get them to keep working on it, and would abandon it if they feel the returns aren't worth the effort. These projects require so much time and resources that they can't just be done as a normal hobby.

You guys also need to remember that a lot of devs are from countries where the dollar has a very high value, a dev earning 600$ a month might seem like nothing to you if you live in the US, but if you live in places like South America, Russia, Mexico, etc, it is very good money. So there are certainly a lot more than you think that are using these projects as a significant source of income and even a main one.

 

[WastedTalent]

I can count the devs who don't do this for money with a single hand. They usually dont even make a patreon or a way to be supported since they don't want to feel indebted to their supporters or feel like they owe them something, they want to be totally free to do what they want with their game and I can respect that.

99.99% of the others? They are looking for money, maybe they dont expect it to be their main source of income but, they have an idea of how much money would get them to keep working on it, and would abandon it if they feel the returns aren't worth the effort. These projects require so much time and resources that they can't just be done as a normal hobby.

You guys also need to remember that a lot of devs are from countries where the dollar has a very high value, a dev earning 600$ a month might seem like nothing to you if you live in the US, but if you live in places like South America, Russia, Mexico, etc, it is very good money. So there are certainly a lot more than you think that are using these projects as a significant source of income and even a main one.

I understand but still takes me back to my original point name any other industry where consumers pay for unfinished, incomplete, or abandoned projects that are in development? Besides video games and avn's? Nobody holds the cash grabbers accountable either the ones who come along and release two or three updates snatch whatever support they received and poof. Who holds them accountable? Again it sounds too much like gambling. Because as my example above of Big Brother which isn't the only one btw but, how many well supported dev's poof? I'm sure it's less than the lesser supported dev's but either way investing money in something that has about 50% (I'm not certain if 50 is accurate but it doesn't seem far off imo) failure to complete as an industry just feels like a waste to me.