VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dual Family [Stream Extras] [Gumdrop Games]

[Kezza Hearts]

If you carpet bomb enough people with your stuff, the chance of people show interest in it increase. The skills he lack in proper game development, he seems to compensate for in market himself and his game. I seen links to his game all over the internet, and now recently he push it on steam as well. Not many other creators on this site that does. I know of "House Party", and "Man of the house" is planned too. That tap into a new range of people he normally wouldn't reach. If you look at his recent influx on Patreon, it kinda go hand in hand with the steam release. No idea why someone would pledge after buy it or steam, or maybe they just didn't buy and just pledgded. idk.

If you look at all those f2p(p2w) awful social games on facebook, and such. They about invest as little as much into the actual game, and as much as possible into monetizing process's and marketing to bring in more people to play, which end up with a big swing-door. If you look at graphetron for GD's patreon earnings, you see that pattern there. People replace the ones leaving, not. Not so much long term pledges. Probably similar to the "whale" ratio in f2p games.

Well that sucks. So it's more of the fact on how he marketed the game and not about how good the game itself was?. F95Zone presents No Man's Sky 2.0 by GumDrop Games. All jokes aside, appreciate you clearing it up for me.

 

[nsj]

To be honest, I think most of us here are wondering the same thing

It's probably because a lot of people thought that this would be the next dmd when it came to storyline. People thought if they were being blue balled it meant that it would be amazing. And anything that was a bit different from the normal storyline was and still is lauded like it's a masterpiece. Despite not being so.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Well that sucks. So it's more of the fact on how he marketed the game and not about how good the game itself was?. F95Zone presents No Man's Sky 2.0 by GumDrop Games. All jokes aside, appreciate you clearing it up for me.

Tbh, I don't think the game wasn't that bad. Probably why so many people so emotional (rage, whatever), about the update keep get delayed over and over. If it had been a real shit show, none would wanted to see more of it right? Or at least it would made sense no one would.

"No man sky" did sort of redeem itself, or at least turned the boat around quite a lot since initial release though. But there you got all the lies about features and such presented in advance. Where of with this game its more confined to release updates, and excuses around why miss those dates he set himself.

 

[Bunta]

No update so far, i'm not even interested in the game anymore, i just want to see how this shit is going to end LOL

 

[NeonNinja90]

Actually its the last and i also say that A mother's love devs suspended the subscription as soon as he announced he cant provide an update in his game and i said this devs should be the role model of every devs. I guess her feelings got hurt.

Atleast you see updates from Orb Origin though, he did say it would take up to a month for an update

 

[lostraven]

To be honest, I think most of us here are wondering the same thing

Ever see a traffic collision on the road, and notice everyone slows down to watch it?

There are three types of spectators explaining why this thread and the game is still is alive.

1.) The people who are here to just see the car-crash, (AKA, me) we're the people who understand this project is completely blundered and fucked and are incredibly curious as to A.) What the next 'Scam' move is for the chessboard, or B.) Incredibly curious to see if (whenever) he actually delivers something even 50% close to being worth the wait.

2.) Delusional fans too deep in the Sunk Fallacy cost to care.

3.) People who have stumbled onto the game with no prior knowledge and think they're jumping on a bandwagon with an update 'Just around the corner guys!' Gumdrops keeps the front of house clean and professional-looking for potential customers...It's not till he has them hooked that he hopes to make them the second type of spectator, that's when the shovel shit piles on.

 

[NeonNinja90]

Guys I'm very curious. I just literally a couple of minutes ago found out about this whole Gumdrop debacle. May I ask how does he have more patreon money than for example, Icstor? Even though the Milfy City thread and the game itself is much more popular than Dual Family. Like updates aside...What's this game's charm? It's tag's seem underwhelming. A lot of people are saying to not waste time on the game which is why I'm asking rather than playing the game.

Am I missing something?

He released his game at a time when INCEST content was allowed on patreon and became something worth supporting, I'm ashamed to admitt that I gave money to him in the early days. Anyone still supporting him at this point Is either braindead, friends with him or has more money than sense.

 

[Joshua Tree]

He released his game at a time when INCEST content was allowed on patreon and became something worth supporting, I'm ashamed to admitt that I gave money to him in the early days. Anyone still supporting him at this point Is either braindead, friends with him or has more money than sense.

Well, per definition, no incest taken place in the game so far, unless the mc/aunt thing counts. Still, with the ability to name the characters and decide the relations yourself. It's not as obvious, heck it even went through the vetting for steam. Where as Slonique tried to get "Oh My Love" on steam and got rejected. Maybe because his game referred to the woman as MOM a lot of the time regardless if you used a incest patch or not.

I wonder if GD put it on steam as a countermeasure to possible patreon shitcan him, if he drop that update eventually and it deliver on content. Just to have monetizing venues open. (In addition to his own site).

 

[Morah SDG]

Well, per definition, no incest taken place in the game so far, unless the mc/aunt thing counts. Still, with the ability to name the characters and decide the relations yourself. It's not as obvious, heck it even went through the vetting for steam. Where as Slonique tried to get "Oh My Love" on steam and got rejected. Maybe because his game referred to the woman as MOM a lot of the time regardless if you used a incest patch or not.

I wonder if GD put it on steam as a countermeasure to possible patreon shitcan him, if he drop that update eventually and it deliver on content. Just to have monetizing venues open. (In addition to his own site).

I think and the optional bathroom scene with the cousin, too.

 

[Baxonius]

last opdate is 30/3/2018 ? maybe i am wrong, just a bit confus because i saw on this game own patreon with money, just wow.

 

[jayyou]

last opdate is 30/3/2018 ? maybe i am wrong, just a bit confus because i saw on this game own patreon with money, just wow.

wow indeed. I'm still surprised people still support this dev after more than 1 year with no major update.

 

[Deleted member 99963]

Dont worry guys there is an update coming soon in december, last christmas part 2 , then part 3 next year same date , this game is not on hold it just take a little longer then most.

 

[Aristos]

Don't rack your brains train to understand what's going on here, to me it's very clear: his Patreon must be a front for money laundering or who knows what.
I still believe in humanity, therefore I refuse to accept that almost 1,000 people are still paying this disgusting scammer on a monthly basis.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Don't rack your brains train to understand what's going on here, to me it's very clear: his Patreon must be a front for money laundering or who knows what.
I still believe in humanity, therefore I refuse to accept that almost 1,000 people are still paying this disgusting scammer on a monthly basis.

I'd love to hear how that would be manageable. Knowing the payment methods you got with Patreon. You supported any creator at Patreon before at all? Or even know what it takes to do actual money launder?

Oh, and humanity is flawed.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

I'd love to hear how that would be manageable. Knowing the payment methods you got with Patreon. You supported any creator at Patreon before at all? Or even know what it takes to do actual money launder?

Oh, and humanity is flawed.

If you have an illegal business where customers only spend a tiny amount/commission, then this scheme could work, there would be no suspicious activity on their end as quantities would be too low and could be easily explained by them as a result of being "fans of the game". You set up a patreon (added to the alternative payment method on his site) to collect all payments and when questioned about it you can always claim it's for a game you are developing, denying the existence of your real business. The end result is that dirty money from an undisclosed, potentially illegal business ends up in your account. You would use the facade to justify those movements if questioned/inspected by authorities.

Since the fake "business" basically runs for free (as a result of being a scam), it costs nothing to keep it alive and to inflate numbers (increased "patrons") without having to match them with increased costs. One of the reasons why hotels or restaurants are often used to launder money (on top of being able to deal with cash).

Regardless of whether he is laundering money or not, what we do know for sure is that this guy is a scammer whose true nature, countless lies and scummy tactics should be exposed, at least until he admits what he is really doing.

 

[Turret]

I'd love to hear how that would be manageable. Knowing the payment methods you got with Patreon. You supported any creator at Patreon before at all? Or even know what it takes to do actual money launder?

Oh, and humanity is flawed.

Hate to tell you, but every system can be rigged, if you put enough brain power/resources into it. But that is beside the point, since gumdrop´s patreon presence exhibits many charactristics of a front, no matter for what, as has been told by many users.

He get´s a lot of money for practically near nothing (couple of pics in years) back, lots of proven lies and simply unprofessional behaviour (two rather optional animations the reason for an unlimited delay, really? Even if true, which is near zero probability, that would be clashing with his skill at marketing) and more, the oszillation of patron numbers is less than standard. Far less than expected considering his behaviour and output.
Hell, there are internationally known undertakings with sterling reputation with more fluctuation in patron numbers. Yes, there are the truly dedicated fans, but gumdrop has so many unwavering ones compared to developers who are far more productive, nicer and reliable than gummy ever will be, that it stretches credibility.
But I should not have to tell you all this, sicne you are a chummer or an alias of gumdrop. You might deny it, but the hints e.g. posting history and topics into that direction speak louder.

It would be like me stating "I hate chocolate". Anybody only slightly aquainted with me would scoff at such a statement and rightly so. Luckily I have the genetics to stay thin even with my considerable chocolate consumation and that I gift rare chocolates to other persons are strong hints that any statement of hating chocolate cannot be true.
Now we look at your "unrelated bystander" posting history in this thread and wonder...

Yes, humanity is flawed, especially when we look at the masses of political limp dicks filling out the majority of our western parliaments today due to few alternatives available (unfortunately politicians like Disraeli, Lincoln, Erlander or Bismarck, even Kohl, Kinkel, G.H.W. Bush or Mitterand do not grow on trees), but that does not fly here in this case.
It is near the far end of the probability curve, that a lazy liar like gumdrop could gather a core of roughly a thousand absolutely gulllible sheeps, incite them to give him money for nothing for nearly two years now and has no rebellion on hand. While there will be some holdouts hoping that they will get something back for their money (which is their right), I doubt it they are so numerous to fill out a regiment!
And even they will be fed up, only holding out to see some value return with an update.
But ca. 1000 people just handing out money without a thought to a person who does few things to hide the disdain he has for his followers is hard to swallow. And when you look at enterprises with solid reputation having difficulties for partly little things in comparison it becomes even more of a stretch. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far.

 

[Bonhart]

today has posted another vote, for me it is clear that it is all a fiction


(Sorry my english)

 

[Joshua Tree]

If you have an illegal business where customers only spend a tiny amount/commission, then this scheme could work, there would be no suspicious activity on their end as quantities would be too low and could be easily explained by them as a result of being "fans of the game". You set up a patreon (added to the alternative payment method on his site) to collect all payments and when questioned about it you can always claim it's for a game you are developing, denying the existence of your real business. The end result is that dirty money from an undisclosed, potentially illegal business ends up in your account. You would use the facade to justify those movements if questioned/inspected by authorities.

Since the fake "business" basically runs for free (as a result of being a scam), it costs nothing to keep it alive and to inflate numbers (increased "patrons") without having to match them with increased costs. One of the reasons why hotels or restaurants are often used to launder money (on top of being able to deal with cash).

Regardless of whether he is laundering money or not, what we do know for sure is that this guy is a scammer whose true nature, countless lies and scummy tactics should be exposed, at least until he admits what he is really doing.

Consider the payment methods that Patreon does cover. Money launder would be hard to pull off, as you would need so many accounts/cards to pull it through. I would like to see you manage to funnel 10k through patreon a month with what options they give. What he pull off on his alternative payment, idk. But that isn't tracked through Patreon either though.

Money launder works where physical money changes hand. The name itself have its origin in laundromats after all. Using money with digital footprint to launder money is silly and services such as resturants and similar work great. Of more recent I read about, inflate gym memberships etc. The people GD would require to have involved in such through Patreon would be ludacris.

At best he deceived and lied to people about progress and release dates of his game. Of which is not a crime, what is more criminal in that regard is people supporting him. But seeing the great flux in his numbers, the chance of he got a long term fan base of any size left supporting him is rather slim. He said before, (several times), that if people sick of waiting for a update, they should stop pledge to him. Kinda in line with the "don't push the red button". If people still do, that is on them right? It's not like he begging people to support him. Heck, if you look at that Harry potter game or what it's called on this site. The dev there almost held players ransom and said he wouldn't update it if he didn't get x amount.

Call out people for what they actually are and do should be plenty without apply all kinda unproven stuff on top. It just make people look toxic.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

Consider the payment methods that Patreon does cover. Money launder would be hard to pull off, as you would need so many accounts/cards to pull it through. I would like to see you manage to funnel 10k through patreon a month with what options they give. What he pull off on his alternative payment, idk. But that isn't tracked through Patreon either though.

Money launder works where physical money changes hand. The name itself have its origin in laundromats after all. Using money with digital footprint to launder money is silly and services such as resturants and similar work great. Of more recent I read about, inflate gym memberships etc. The people GD would require to have involved in such through Patreon would be ludacris.

At best he deceived and lied to people about progress and release dates of his game. Of which is not a crime, what is more criminal in that regard is people supporting him. But seeing the great flux in his numbers, the chance of he got a long term fan base of any size left supporting him is rather slim. He said before, (several times), that if people sick of waiting for a update, they should stop pledge to him. Kinda in line with the "don't push the red button". If people still do, that is on them right? It's not like he begging people to support him. Heck, if you look at that Harry potter game or what it's called on this site. The dev there almost held players ransom and said he wouldn't update it if he didn't get x amount.

Call out people for what they actually are and do should be plenty without apply all kinda unproven stuff on top. It just make people look toxic.

"Money launder would be hard to pull off, as you would need so many accounts/cards to pull it through."

Nope, it wouldn't. Did you read what I wrote? if your illegal business has many small customers, then activity would be easily concealed by the Patreon front you would instruct your customers to use. That's the whole point.

"Money launder works where physical money changes hand."

You are choosing a restrictive definition you made up to try to exonerate this scammer of being a potential money launderer because we all know what you are doing here since forever. In reality, we don't know what he is really doing besides scamming. But you could launder money through Patreon if your illegal business has many small customers. It's not impossible as you imply.

"At best he deceived and lied to people about progress and release dates of his game. Of which is not a crime,"

Why are you so obsessed with repeating this line? literally every time you try to defend this scammer you say something along these lines: "this is not a crime, nothing to see here folks, move along". Quite suspicious if you ask me.

"Call out people for what they actually are and do should be plenty without apply all kinda unproven stuff on top. It just make people look toxic."

You are the only one on this thread who still defends this scammer. Clearly, you have a problem with people exposing this dude. Don't pretend you only have a problem with "unfounded allegations", you have a problem with all criticism.

Bottom line, this guy is a scammer whose tactics should keep being exposed. Garbage people like this dude are cancer to society. Nothing you say will change that, as the scam becomes more evident than ever.

 

[Joshua Tree]

"Money launder would be hard to pull off, as you would need so many accounts/cards to pull it through."

Nope, it wouldn't. Did you read what I wrote? if your illegal business has many small customers, then activity would be easily concealed by the Patreon front you would instruct your customers to use. That's the whole point.

"Money launder works where physical money changes hand."

You are choosing a restrictive definition you made up to try to exonerate this scammer of being a potential money launderer because we all know what you are doing here since forever. In reality, we don't know what he is really doing besides scamming. But you could launder money through Patreon if your illegal business has many small customers. It's not impossible as you imply.

"At best he deceived and lied to people about progress and release dates of his game. Of which is not a crime,"

Why are you so obsessed with repeating this line? literally every time you try to defend this scammer you say something along these lines: "this is not a crime, nothing to see here folks, move along". Quite suspicious if you ask me.

"Call out people for what they actually are and do should be plenty without apply all kinda unproven stuff on top. It just make people look toxic."

You are the only one on this thread who still defends this scammer. Clearly, you have a problem with people exposing this dude. Don't pretend you only have a problem with "unfounded allegations", you have a problem with all criticism.

Bottom line, this guy is a scammer whose tactics should keep being exposed. Garbage people like this dude are cancer to society. Nothing you say will change that, as the scam becomes more evident than ever.

I'm trying to stay grounded in reality where concept of proof is the governing factor. If I repeat something, it's because its a fact and proven. What crime can you prove taken place? I mean not your opinion, because, just like assholes, everyone got those. So actual proof?

There is no need to expose him for breaking his word when he done such a good job at that himself. When I state he been deceiving and not truthful, that isn't critics?

Internet is filled with garbage people, among them you find those that throw out accusations without valid claim as well.
I got no problem with expose people/whatever if there is evidence and facts to back it up.

Don't be a dotard....