VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dual Family [Stream Extras] [Gumdrop Games]

[Nottravis]

I find the logistics of that claim baffling.
You set up a bunch of scenes on one rig with 5 GPU's to render, and then set up scenes on the remaining 4 rigs?
The renders would be done faster than you could set them up.
If there were a team working together, that would make sense. But for one guy working alone? One rig with 5 GPU's would be more than enough. He wouldn't be able to physically keep up.

You're right. Totes.

Sorry, I know I shouldn't criticise other devs. It's bad form in a way and you never really know what it's like on the other side of the hill until you start making a game yourself - but this is just....madness.

I had a quick think about this over my morning coffee and a smoke and did some very simple maths.

Let's say, for simplicity sake, that on one of those rigs it takes 5 mins to do a super-dooper render (has no idea, mine take about an hour so is wildly guessing what a 5 card machine could do). So, 12 renders an hour. A 60fps ani would take 5 hours per second per machine.

Working on an assumption that four are used as render machines with one for setting up gives you four seconds of ani every 5 hours or, rounding for the ballpark, 20 seconds of ani per day. Not looped ani's. Pure tailored original ani's. So 140 seconds per week. 560 seconds per month. So ten minutes every month.

In three months that would be a typical TV episode. The game could be made live action. In nine months that would be a film length. So every year, with that rig, you could make a film! A 60fps film....and still have three months left over to make sufficient renders to make a decent update.

It's not baffling I think. It's bullshit. Utterly.

 

[ilikemomsonincest]

You're right. Totes.

Sorry, I know I shouldn't criticise other devs. It's bad form in a way and you never really know what it's like on the other side of the hill until you start making a game yourself - but this is just....madness.

I had a quick think about this over my morning coffee and a smoke and did some very simple maths.

Let's say, for simplicity sake, that on one of those rigs it takes 5 mins to do a super-dooper render (has no idea, mine take about an hour so is wildly guessing what a 5 card machine could do). So, 12 renders an hour. A 60fps ani would take 5 hours per second per machine.

Working on an assumption that four are used as render machines with one for setting up gives you four seconds of ani every 5 hours or, rounding for the ballpark, 20 seconds of ani per day. Not looped ani's. Pure tailored original ani's. So 140 seconds per week. 560 seconds per month. So ten minutes every month.

In three months that would be a typical TV episode. The game could be made live action. In nine months that would be a film length. So every year, with that rig, you could make a film! A 60fps film....and still have three months left over to make sufficient renders to make a decent update.

It's not baffling I think. It's bullshit. Utterly.

Don't think too hard about it, it's not supposed to make any sense it's just supposed to make his patrons think he's actually working seriously on the game and not just taking advantage of their naivety.

 

[lostraven]

You're right. Totes.

Sorry, I know I shouldn't criticise other devs. It's bad form in a way and you never really know what it's like on the other side of the hill until you start making a game yourself - but this is just....madness.

I had a quick think about this over my morning coffee and a smoke and did some very simple maths.

Let's say, for simplicity sake, that on one of those rigs it takes 5 mins to do a super-dooper render (has no idea, mine take about an hour so is wildly guessing what a 5 card machine could do). So, 12 renders an hour. A 60fps ani would take 5 hours per second per machine.

Working on an assumption that four are used as render machines with one for setting up gives you four seconds of ani every 5 hours or, rounding for the ballpark, 20 seconds of ani per day. Not looped ani's. Pure tailored original ani's. So 140 seconds per week. 560 seconds per month. So ten minutes every month.

In three months that would be a typical TV episode. The game could be made live action. In nine months that would be a film length. So every year, with that rig, you could make a film! A 60fps film....and still have three months left over to make sufficient renders to make a decent update.

It's not baffling I think. It's bullshit. Utterly.

Don't worry too much about that, no dev takes him seriously anymore and he's long lost all credibility on our side as well. He's one of the very few devs whose pretty much free game for ridicule.

 

[Trapezio]

I think F95 mods might add a "CON ARTIST" tag on top of this thread next to "Gumdrop Games".

 

[Sam]

I've just finished operating on some stage 5 cancer in this thread. It'd be awesome if everyone could stop acting like fuccbois, so I can avoid breaking out the chemotherapy again. Thanks.

 

[MykeRosy]

I've just finished operating on some stage 5 cancer in this thread. It'd be awesome if everyone could stop acting like fuccbois, so I can avoid breaking out the chemotherapy again. Thanks.

Its technically abandon right? But like other asking why not just put "ABANDON" tag to it?

 

[Sam]

Its technically abandon right? But like other asking why not just put "ABANDON" tag to it?

Check the OP, it's explained there

 

[MykeRosy]

Check the OP, it's explained there

I actually read long time ago. My question is, why not put the "ABANDON" tag to it instead of the note. Im not the only one asking this.

 

[Sam]

I actually read long time ago. My question is, why not put the "ABANDON" tag to it instead of the note. Im not the only one asking this.

The note explains why. It doesn't meet our criteria for abandonment as explained.

 

[Man In Moon]

The note explains why. It doesn't meet our criteria for abandonment as explained.

It's been a solid year (and then some) of missed deadlines after missed deadlines. Along with absolutely zero content added to the game. Sure the dude keeps talking but that's all he does. I mean good lord. I get yall wanna give the guy a fair shake, but if this whole mess doesn't quality as abandoned by now for literally no other reason than he "keeps in contact", how many years of no game activity will it take? No seriously. How many years of no game updates does it take for an Abandoned tag? Are we still gonna be seeing "On Hold" tag this time next year just because he "keeps in contact"? My Uncle has a car he bought scraped back in 95 he swore he was gonna restore. He fixed the body and painted it red. Then parked it in his barn and that's where it stayed. He's been saying how he's gonna restore it for the last twenty years. Oh, he's got the stuff to do it, and the skill. And the money to do the things he can't. But just like the "developer" of this game, despite all promises to the contrary, he has yet to do the job.

 

[tarzan999]

It's been a solid year (and then some) of missed deadlines after missed deadlines. Along with absolutely zero content added to the game. Sure the dude keeps talking but that's all he does. I mean good lord. I get yall wanna give the guy a fair shake, but if this whole mess doesn't quality as abandoned by now for literally no other reason than he "keeps in contact", how many years of no game activity will it take? No seriously. How many years of no game updates does it take for an Abandoned tag? Are we still gonna be seeing "On Hold" tag this time next year just because he "keeps in contact"? My Uncle has a car he bought scraped back in 95 he swore he was gonna restore. He fixed the body and painted it red. Then parked it in his barn and that's where it stayed. He's been saying how he's gonna restore it for the last twenty years. Oh, he's got the stuff to do it, and the skill. And the money to do the things he can't. But just like the "developer" of this game, despite all promises to the contrary, he has yet to do the job.

Grow up you big baby. The game is not abandoned and that's that.

 

[satoshi36]

Well some might tink that GD has a stake on this site

 

[Sam]

It's been a solid year (and then some) of missed deadlines after missed deadlines. Along with absolutely zero content added to the game. Sure the dude keeps talking but that's all he does. I mean good lord. I get yall wanna give the guy a fair shake, but if this whole mess doesn't quality as abandoned by now for literally no other reason than he "keeps in contact", how many years of no game activity will it take? No seriously. How many years of no game updates does it take for an Abandoned tag? Are we still gonna be seeing "On Hold" tag this time next year just because he "keeps in contact"? My Uncle has a car he bought scraped back in 95 he swore he was gonna restore. He fixed the body and painted it red. Then parked it in his barn and that's where it stayed. He's been saying how he's gonna restore it for the last twenty years. Oh, he's got the stuff to do it, and the skill. And the money to do the things he can't. But just like the "developer" of this game, despite all promises to the contrary, he has yet to do the job.

As explained in the note, it doesn't meet our criteria, we're not going to add the abandoned tag. We're not going to break our rules over the shady practices of a single developer.

 

[Man In Moon]

As explained in the note, it doesn't meet our criteria, we're not going to add the abandoned tag. We're not going to break our rules over the shady practices of a single developer.

So, just to clarify, as long as a developer "keeps in contact" or doesn't give official notice of the games cancellation, a game will stay strictly on hold. No matter how long the game sits without being updated, or how high the number of missed deadlines gets. Years can pass, and it would still be "On Hold"? That's very generous.

 

[Sam]

So, just to clarify, as long as a developer "keeps in contact" or doesn't give official notice of the games cancellation, a game will stay strictly on hold. No matter how long the game sits without being updated, or how high the number of missed deadlines gets. Years can pass, and it would still be "On Hold"? That's very generous. Well, at least we have official word now.

Yes. There are plenty of games out there (especially kickstarter, nutaku or other non patreon based games) which can release a demo then nothing until the full game releases, months, even years later.

As I said, we're not going to change our rules for single outlier cases like DF. The onhold prefix, the note in the OP, as well as the clear "last update" date is enough.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

As explained in the note, it doesn't meet our criteria, we're not going to add the abandoned tag. We're not going to break our rules over the shady practices of a single developer.

Apparently your rules need an upper bound on the ONHOLD tag (1.5/2 years maybe?). Posting a message on some social platform is a very low barrier that in no way guarantees any continued work. As the other person said, do the rules even consider the possibility of a perpetual ONHOLD tag? what about a new tag? ONHOLD tag for devs who stop payments or are sick is not the same as ONHOLD for being a scam.



The mod team was also very late to add the warning, while other games got sudden petty warnings about the quality of the game, while not even being the blatant scam this is.

 

[Sam]

Apparently your rules need an upper bound on the ONHOLD tag (1.5/2 years maybe?). Posting a message on some social platform is a very low barrier that in no way guarantees any continued work. As the other person said, do the rules even consider the possibility of a perpetual ONHOLD tag? what about a new tag? ONHOLD tag for devs who stop payments or are sick is not the same as ONHOLD for being a scam.

We're not going to break our rules over the shady practices of a single developer.

The mod team was also very late to add the warning, while other games got sudden petty warnings about the quality of the game, while not even being the blatant scam this is.

We don't usually put any kind of message in OPs relating to abandonment issues, the only other instances I can recall are some Slonique games.

 

[Deleted member 285976]

Why is it such a big deal to put the abandoned tag on it is the real question? I really doubt he's getting too much support from anyone on F95 at this point... and if you somehow are crazy enough to ignore the on hold and potentially abandoned tag that's on you lol. I actually love checking in on the madness of this thread!

 

[Vladimir Putin]

This game does not need an abandoned tag but a scammer tag..

Having said that, the current warning in the OP is fair and if anyone wants to donate to the dev after reading the warning then well, I don't know what to say. Gimme your CC number.

 

[Deleted member 1150609]

We're not going to break our rules over the shady practices of a single developer.


We don't usually put any kind of message in OPs relating to abandonment issues, the only other instances I can recall are Slonique games.

Well, I think you should reconsider your rules. I predict it will get more obvious with time as more scammers show up.

Slonique's game still has the warning, which is far more aggressive than the one here, even though Slonique is hardly earning as much as this one. He is to blame for poor quality more than scamming:

https://f95zone.to/threads/abyss-slonique.1512/