FrostyMay

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Hi. I think your game does not fall into the avoidable ntr or skippable category. What I see at the beginning of the game, is a switch to alternative story with no ntr scenes or full ntr (I haven't seen any ntr yet from the beginning of the game but only the heroine in sexual relationships with other men before even meeting the protagonist?). From your description, people will probably misunderstand what's in the game.
The game is non-ntr. The main theme of the game is to rescue the princesses and obtain their secret abilities. To obtain that ability, you as the protagonist should take their virginity, which allows you to use lewd things to the side characters and also to progress the mission.
 
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FrostyMay

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Oops, not sure how that slipped my tests. I'll update it in the next version within tomorrow. I apologize for the trouble. Thank you for reporting it
 

Beast Within

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Hi. I think your game does not fall into the avoidable ntr or skippable category. What I see at the beginning of the game, is a switch to alternative story with no ntr scenes or full ntr (I haven't seen any ntr yet from the beginning of the game but only the heroine in sexual relationships with other men before even meeting the protagonist?). From your description, people will probably misunderstand what's in the game.

lets say the dev makes an essay in dev notes explaining in every detail what kind of ntr is in the game , how and in what way it is avoidable and so on.

be brave and tell him the truth. it wont make any difference.

let me give some examples of how much that matters.

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also, something that you forgot to say ( not intentionaly I preffer to think), is that it doesnt have for the li to be in any kind of relationship with the mc for the tag to apply ( check current tag description).

if she is ment for the mc, then she is a Romantic INTEREST, also known as LI ( Love Interest), hence the tag applies, because she is there to make the player/MC INTERESTED in romancing her.

with that being said, the tag up there, has already done its damage. (Reference excibit A)
and will keep doing its damage as long as it is up there ( Reference excibit B)

nobody misunderstood anything. the dev said it clearly in his notes. you can either watch the lis getting fucked, or not.
now, you may read that, I, the mega weird one may read that ( and ignore the game), but the two examples I gave wont bat an eye, the first group because they wont even see the game, the second because they dont care.

its all good to ask devs to add things, but at least be honest about the consequences he will face.
anyways. I said what I had to say.

best of wishes for good health for you and yours.



ps. there will be those, the usual "advisors", who will come out of their holes with advise like "dev dont listen to anyone cause they are *insert derogatory term here* do your thing, and you will be top dog. "
I agree with them. dev dont listen to anyone. including me AND them. take the info given and do your thing.
 

FrostyMay

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lets say the dev makes an essay in dev notes explaining in every detail what kind of ntr is in the game , how and in what way it is avoidable and so on.

be brave and tell him the truth. it wont make any difference.

let me give some examples of how much that matters.

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also, something that you forgot to say ( not intentionaly I preffer to think), is that it doesnt have for the li to be in any kind of relationship with the mc for the tag to apply ( check current tag description).

if she is ment for the mc, then she is a Romantic INTEREST, also known as LI ( Love Interest), hence the tag applies, because she is there to make the player/MC INTERESTED in romancing her.

with that being said, the tag up there, has already done its damage. (Reference excibit A)
and will keep doing its damage as long as it is up there ( Reference excibit B)

nobody misunderstood anything. the dev said it clearly in his notes. you can either watch the lis getting fucked, or not.
now, you may read that, I, the mega weird one may read that ( and ignore the game), but the two examples I gave wont bat an eye, the first group because they wont even see the game, the second because they dont care.

its all good to ask devs to add things, but at least be honest about the consequences he will face.
anyways. I said what I had to say.

best of wishes for good health for you and yours.



ps. there will be those, the usual "advisors", who will come out of their holes with advise like "dev dont listen to anyone cause they are *insert derogatory term here* do your thing, and you will be top dog. "
I agree with them. dev dont listen to anyone. including me AND them. take the info given and do your thing.
Thank you for the example, released a clean version today. The older version didn't make much sense to me anyway. The game was supposed to always be non-ntr. The main theme of the game is to rescue the princesses and obtain their secret abilities. To obtain that ability, you as the protagonist should take their virginity, which allows you to use lewd things to the side characters and also to progress the mission. Really appreciate your feedback
 
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Larry2000

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The game is officially vanilla now. Thank you for your support guys
Not gonna lie, I’ve never seen a dev so quickly change their game. Like you released yesterday and then you update today and remove said content.

I’ve seen devs decide to remove it, but do it in the next update which takes weeks or months to do. You did it in a day. I commend you.

Instantly on my watch list! Good luck sir and if you want any thoughts on writing let me know :)
 

FrostyMay

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Not gonna lie, I’ve never seen a dev so quickly change their game. Like you released yesterday and then you update today and remove said content.

I’ve seen devs decide to remove it, but do it in the next update which takes weeks or months to do. You did it in a day. I commend you.

Instantly on my watch list! Good luck sir and if you want any thoughts on writing let me know :)
Thank you for your encouraging response. That's a great boost for me. Many took the time to make me understand my mistake. It's only fair that I take the time to fix it
 

Vax Morale

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You have literally zero evidence to back up that claim, I for one have only ever subscribed to different devs patreon because of this site and I'm current supporting around 15 devs thanks too it, I won't however subscribe to any dev that has any ntr in their game even if it's avoidable and that's not because I don't want them to succeed, but why would I support A dev who makes content I'm not fond of when there's plenty of devs who make content I enjoy the entirety of.
Guy is always having a meltdown about "anti-ntr" people just ignore him
 

netcov

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Hey FrostyMay !
Congratulations on your release!

I'll add the game to my backlog of games I want to play.
Just a quick question because I saw the preview thumbnails: Is it planned for the MC to have an harem (relationship with multiples people at once / polygamy)? Based on the preview thumbnails it looks he engages at least with a variety of different women sexually.
(asking due to missing "harem" tag in the header, genre spoiler and dev notes)

I'll drop a note once I played it.
Good luck and wish you the best for the development of your game!
 

FrostyMay

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Hey FrostyMay !
Congratulations on your release!

I'll add the game to my backlog of games I want to play.
Just a quick question because I saw the preview thumbnails: Is it planned for the MC to have an harem (relationship with multiples people at once / polygamy)? Based on the preview thumbnails it looks he engages at least with a variety of different women sexually.
(asking due to missing "harem" tag in the header, genre spoiler and dev notes)

I'll drop a note once I played it.
Good luck and wish you the best for the development of your game!
Hi netcov exactly, it is supposed to have many harem contents in the future with threesomes and moresome maybe. I just added harem in the tag. It'll progress more after I add more content to start rescuing the princesses. Thank you for noticing and letting me know. Hope you like them.
 

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Removed NTR scenes and options and 100% protagonist centric
Just saying.... probs a bit too late for that. :HideThePain:

Reputation Damage kinda be done.


Think about it from the player's perspective:

When playing an incomplete game, would they not go to the one where it was always MC-only focus?

The idea being if they had it once they could add it back in. but the one that never had it, is unlikely to ever have it.
I say unlikely because... Joy/Sorrow dev happened, and Daily Lives (Milda Sento) happened.


Like... even non-H media can't get away with it anymore, like the hate for AOT ending, MHA ending, and latest one Oshi No Ko ending.

You also have the "Bends to pressure" perception (Not saying it's true, but many will just assume that).


Besides a "redemption arc" so to speak (which takes time) there likely isn't another solution.
 

Larry2000

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Just saying.... probs a bit too late for that. :HideThePain:

Reputation Damage kinda be done.


Think about it from the player's perspective:

When playing an incomplete game, would they not go to the one where it was always MC-only focus?

The idea being if they had it once they could add it back in. but the one that never had it, is unlikely to ever have it.
I say unlikely because... Joy/Sorrow dev happened, and Daily Lives (Milda Sento) happened.


Like... even non-H media can't get away with it anymore, like the hate for AOT ending, MHA ending, and latest one Oshi No Ko ending.

You also have the "Bends to pressure" perception (Not saying it's true, but many will just assume that).


Besides a "redemption arc" so to speak (which takes time) there likely isn't another solution.
I wholeheartedly disagree. If this dev was deep in the game and added it, it could be the way you described.

If the dev blindsided people, It could be.

if the dev put in your face from the start and unavoidable, then I could see it.

However, the dev’s VERY first release they got instant and direct feedback and their like “Nah, not what I wanted” and in less than a day removed said content.

This Dev deserves a medal, but in speed of update and choosing his audience. Fastest I’ve ever seen in this site.

I’ve also talked to the dev behind the scenes, I love what they’re cooking up in the Harem/vanilla side ;)

I don’t think you have to be doom and gloom. This will turn out fine. :D
 

FrostyMay

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Just saying.... probs a bit too late for that. :HideThePain:

Reputation Damage kinda be done.


Think about it from the player's perspective:

When playing an incomplete game, would they not go to the one where it was always MC-only focus?
Thank you for your post. I do think the earlier people would've ignored my threads, what they probably don't know is that this game was supposed to be a MC-only focus. The main theme of the game is to rescue the princesses and obtain their secret abilities. To obtain that ability, you as the protagonist should take their virginity, which allows you to use lewd things to the side characters and also to progress the mission. The initial NTR content was never that deep, the princess always remained a virgin even in that. I realized that the mistake was logical in the story itself and didn't make sense and not just for the fan base.
 

FrostyMay

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I wholeheartedly disagree. If this dev was deep in the game and added it, it could be the way you described.

If the dev blindsided people, It could be.

if the dev put in your face from the start and unavoidable, then I could see it.

However, the dev’s VERY first release they got instant and direct feedback and their like “Nah, not what I wanted” and in less than a day removed said content.

This Dev deserves a medal, but in speed of update and choosing his audience. Fastest I’ve ever seen in this site.

I’ve also talked to the dev behind the scenes, I love what they’re cooking up in the Harem/vanilla side ;)

I don’t think you have to be doom and gloom. This will turn out fine. :D
Thank you for understanding That's exactly the point, it's not what I wanted. Those who have played the v1, knows that the ntr doesn't have any place in it and it was a logical error when the theme was always supposed to be about virgin princesses. The update only enhances the game for the better, and I'm sure the players will understand.