VN Ren'Py Echoes: The Lies We Tell Ourselves [Ep.2 Public] [Oldcat]

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By the way, that's a good point, I missed that. It's very strange that Dev gives the option to keep the photo (even though at that point we know they hurt MC, but we don't fully understand how). What purpose does that choice serve?
I thought the housemates would discover the picture and ask MC questions (that's why I thought the option to keep the picture was there). For example, Mina comes into MC's room and then see the picture and asks MC who the other two were, you looked pretty close etc. At that point, MC would obviously be hesitant to talk about it. But MC ended up revealing his backstory himself anyway, without the picture. So I don't know what purpose it serves anymore.
 
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Well, in "Wild cats," at first glance it seems like, yes, she's a party girl and sleeps with everyone, but after her explanation, everything falls into place, and the way she treats MC makes you truly sympathize with her, and what's more, she even makes sacrifices (I'm talking about the scene in the pool, where she doesn't go to the party, but decides to spend time with MC). And after that, you realize that while at first glance she looks like a slut, after meeting her, you can definitely tell she's not one. And yes, for me, the term "vanilla" includes any fetish except ntr/nts/rape.
Lmao, with this dev what you see is what you get. In MRD Elaine is presented as a whore and that's just who she was, hell, he would even had her getting raped and gangbanged if it was up to him, but his audience didn't let him get away with that one. Same with the camgirl iirc, you are just supposed to ""accept" them as they are.
So if you think that later we will find out Roxy hasn't been around getting STDS, you are 100% wrong, the game will just try to gaslight you into thinking that it doesn't matter and that she is such a great girl regardless, that's how the dev handles that kind of LI.

And for those saying that the MC doesn't act pathetic or like a cuck, he does, because it's what he is. The dev even makes it clear when he gets him to keep a photo of his cheating ex AND the dude she cheated with. That was just hilarious tbh, specially the choice to keep the photo and not throw it away. :poop::poop::poop::KEK:
 

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Lmao, with this dev what you see is what you get. In MRD Elaine is presented as a whore and that's just who she was, hell, he would even had her getting raped and gangbanged if it was up to him, but his audience didn't let him get away with that one. Same with the camgirl iirc, you are just supposed to ""accept" them as they are.
So if you think that later we will find out Roxy hasn't been around getting STDS, you are 100% wrong, the game will just try to gaslight you into thinking that it doesn't matter and that she is such a great girl regardless, that's how the dev handles that kind of LI.

And for those saying that the MC doesn't act pathetic or like a cuck, he does, because it's what he is. The dev even makes it clear when he gets him to keep a photo of his cheating ex AND the dude she cheated with. That was just hilarious tbh, specially the choice to keep the photo and not throw it away. :poop::poop::poop::KEK:

actually, thats what her first past story was. she was fucked to the extent of turning nymphomaniac unable to exist without a dick. she was gangraped, passed around and used as a sex toy by her rapist and his friends for years.

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actually, thats what her first past story was. she was fucked to the extent of turning nymphomaniac unable to exist without a dick. she was gangraped, passed around and used as a sex toy by her rapist and his friends for years.

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wtf? was one of the main LIs in the dev’s previous games really like this? I’m honestly wondering why he even felt the need to include such a slut of an LI. Anyway, im not playing this game for the harem, im here for the solo route, but if one of the main LIs turns out to be a slut, i will lose all interest in the game
 

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wtf? was one of the main LIs in the dev’s previous games really like this? I’m honestly wondering why he even felt the need to include such a slut of an LI. Anyway, im not playing this game for the harem, im here for the solo route, but if one of the main LIs turns out to be a slut, i will lose all interest in the game
it isnt a bad game all in all but it did have some major hicups that brought fire and brimstone on him. the good thing about this dev is that he listens and is willing to change things, which is a rare quality in my book. plus he completes games and he puts lot of effort quality wise.

I dont know what made him go with this setup in this one though. he does have the experience.
 

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By the way, that's a good point, I missed that. It's very strange that Dev gives the option to keep the photo (even though at that point we know they hurt MC, but we don't fully understand how). What purpose does that choice serve?
IIRC throwing it away sets sets a ''move on'' variable.
I found it strange that he even packed that picture, absolutely no idea why he would keep it...could be used for well, moving on, or not, and maybe wanting to get even with them...but who knows.
 
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Yeah, whenever I think of the best harems, it's the ones that don't try to add in anything controversial in order to "spice it up". I just want the most vanilla game (at least by AVN standards, there won't be a 100% vanilla game, but Vanilla in terms of no one trying to rape/steal the LIs) with a good story and dialogue, like Wild Cats also. And I do add in Eternum and Wild Cats into that category (though Wild Cats does have a party girl, I thought I would dislike her just based on that fact, but they ended up making her one of the best girls in the game, which is why I think Echoes can develop Roxy as well).
Uhm...
Once in a life time (Caribdis first game), had a rape scene for the sister if you fucked up really bad, which was nearly impossible (iirc dev changed it because all the whining), and Eternum also had a rape attempt with some random girl early on...
 
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Uhm...
Once in a life time (Caribdis first game), had a rape scene for the sister if you fucked up really bad, which was nearly impossible (iirc dev changed it because all the whining), and Eternum also had a rape attempt with some random girl early on...
I honestly don’t remember about the scene from the first game, but I remembered about the scene from Eternum, there is a scene when you first get into Eternum, one guy from the class tried to rape some girl(well, that scene did not concern MC or any LI) in that reality, but he was killed by the Praetorians.
 
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I honestly don’t remember about the scene from the first game, but I remembered about the scene from Eternum, there is a scene when you first get into Eternum, one guy from the class tried to rape some girl(well, that scene did not concern MC or any LI) in that reality, but he was killed by the Praetorians.
True, but but not exactly pure vanilla.
Just saying even Caribdis did add such content in his games. Meh, i don't give a fuck about the ex, i want to see how the dev handles the asshat, that pretty much will determine if i will keep playing the game or stop.
 

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This game needs a "No internal monolouge" patch

Internal monolouge is fine when done correctly. Every MC thought in this game that should be one line is instead turned into 5 lines. It adds nothing to the character or story
 

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Uhm...
Once in a life time (Caribdis first game), had a rape scene for the sister if you fucked up really bad, which was nearly impossible (iirc dev changed it because all the whining), and Eternum also had a rape attempt with some random girl early on...

I own the game. one of my favorites to be honest. I dont remember if the scene is removed or not, but it wasnt the whinning. it was that the dev was called out for adding a ntr scene that made absolutely zero sense.

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I own the game. one of my favorites to be honest. I dont remember if the scene is removed or not, but it wasnt the whinning. it was that the dev was called out for adding a ntr scene that made absolutely zero sense.

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The difference is that Caribdis learned his lesson and there was no more controversial content in his games and both of his games were quite successful.
 

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The internal monologue is a bit much. But I like Mina. MC being NTR as the background for his trauma is a part of the story. It's the reason he is afraid of getting hurt and wears a mask. Hopefully he does not get NTR'ed in his present. In the past is in the past.
 
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actually, thats what her first past story was. she was fucked to the extent of turning nymphomaniac unable to exist without a dick. she was gangraped, passed around and used as a sex toy by her rapist and his friends for years.

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I know, my point was that she still remained a nympho whore, even after he removed the ntr and her retarded backstory, in the end she was a whore for no reason even after the retcon. Thats whats going to happen with Roxy here, people expecting her sluttiness to be a red herring will just be disappointed.
 

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I own the game. one of my favorites to be honest. I dont remember if the scene is removed or not, but it wasnt the whinning. it was that the dev was called out for adding a ntr scene that made absolutely zero sense.
Yeah, it was an absolutely retarded scene which didn't make much sense at all. Also easy to avoid because you just needed to say 'no', or get the guy killed...i did both, first because it's obvious you don't bet your sister for sex, second i wanted the guy dead, the killing scene was fun.
Don't know about if he made it as fan service...iirc, the scene wasn't animated and was only a couple of renders, but there was a huge shit storm, which was how i even found out that there is such a scene...
The difference is that Caribdis learned his lesson and there was no more controversial content in his games and both of his games were quite successful.
His games are just overal better, be it story, writing or visuals and he's way better at writing romance.
That being said, the cheating scene alone i don't see as controversial, if he doesn't add any cuck crap with the LI's i have no problem.
If she was a LI, or the MC acted like a voyeur or cuck i'd certainly agree on that and be pissed.
I know, my point was that she still remained a nympho whore, even after he removed the ntr and her retarded backstory, in the end she was a whore for no reason even after the retcon. Thats whats going to happen with Roxy here, people expecting her sluttiness to be a red herring will just be disappointed.
He only remade the rape backstory of Elaine, but Elaine was an easy hoe which gets around long before that scene. Pretty obviously at that, from the very first time you meet her and she remaind just that, she had no character or relationship development, she was basically still the easy slut in a fwb relation with the MC until the ending choice rolled in...man it pissed me off that you needed her and her web cam friend to get the harem end...
He would have had to rewrite her entire story/character to change that and she didn't have any story or plot beside the easy slut for sex scenes...add to that, Elaines backstory came pretty late in the game, at that point i'd have been likely be easier if he hade just removed her character, wouldn't have lost much, she was barely present in the later part of the story anyway.

I do hope Roxy gets a better story and is not the easy slut she seems to be, but yeah, i won't hold my breath...frankly i find this way worse than this dumb cheating scene, i just hate slut LI's, especially in a harem game and even worse if she's the best looking one among them, again...:cautious:
 
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