VN Ren'Py Elmwood University [Ep.3 Fix] [WickedWare]

[Juerhullycin]

I also think it's a game meant to be replayed and while it will have harem routes (given the achievements), it's not like other harem AVNs where you see all content on one playthrough.

everything besides the true harem path is unnecessary bloat.

 

[QuestionableNinja]

For what it's worth, all the characters you play Harem Wars with have a difficulty level. Paris's is set to Hard. Pretty much all of them are hard. The exceptions are:
- Violet increases in difficulty. First game uses Easy, second Medium, third Hard.
- The Twins are Easy difficulty.
- Saki's first match is Easy but the rematch is Hard.
- Paris, Katie, Dr. Riley, and Molly are all set to Hard.

Only Violet, the Twins, Saki, Paris, Katie, Dr. Riley, and Molly are currently setup as possibly opponents, though you only play Violet (Ep1), Saki (Ep2), and Paris (Ep3) so far.

Dr. Riley and Molly have some really strong cards though. Their decks are actually identical so I foresee that changing.

It may take some reloading, but it is entirely possible to win all the matches legitimately.

When the heck do all of these happen? I've only had chance to play Violet, Saki and Paris. I could be missing one, but I've definitely not played against all of those.

 

[Jacowboy]

What makes the Twins' reaction stupid? That they called out the MC in a harem game?

As for redoing the entire skill tree, that might take more effort to do now than implementing it, depending how skewed his planning is from his implementation. I don't think it's unfair to compare a VN to a regular novel and, in that sense, it's very easy to have far more of a story planned out than you have written down. I can't remember the release date of Ep2, but it was a pretty quick release by single dev standards, especially since this isn't his full time job.

I mean, a little bit yeah, but that's not it, it's more the fact that their behavior is inconsistent... and like, they just met, chill the fuck down.

As for the rest, it might take more effort now, but in the long run it'll be better for the game (and the dev's health, most likely)... most people seem to be cheating anyways, so there's no real point to it as it is (and it IS a bit badly implemented too).

 

[Lagunavii]

When the heck do all of these happen? I've only had chance to play Violet, Saki and Paris. I could be missing one, but I've definitely not played against all of those.

Oh come on Ninja, he says it in the post you quoted "though you only play Violet (Ep1), Saki (Ep2), and Paris (Ep3) so far."

 

[Raziel_8]

I mean, a little bit yeah, but that's not it, it's more the fact that their behavior is inconsistent... and like, they just met, chill the fuck down.

Well not all girls like it if you get it on with them and a couple of hours later you have the next girl over (especially if said girls seem to be with the first guy they actually like and are willing to go further)...even if your not exclusive.

What is inconsistent in their behavior ?

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

You know, I suspect doing these "Legend" things is going to be a convoluted mess that's going to require a very specific path.

For example, the staff lounge one. If you break into Dr. Whatsherface's office with Nina she mentions stealing her card will allow access to any door and she specifically mentions the lounge, so I'm going to assume that's how you get that one done, but it's incredibly stupid from a "we just broke into an office and copied tests" point of view, so thinking even a little realistically or logically is likely to lock you out of that.

 

[QuestionableNinja]

Oh come on Ninja, he says it in the post you quoted "though you only play Violet (Ep1), Saki (Ep2), and Paris (Ep3) so far."

There's the egg on my face This is what happens when you only read the bullet points. It also made a bit more sense to me that I'd missed some games since I found the latest one against Paris to be one hell of a difficulty wall when you see how much more powerful her cards are than yours.

 

[QuestionableNinja]

You know, I suspect doing these "Legend" things is going to be a convoluted mess that's going to require a very specific path.

For example, the staff lounge one. If you break into Dr. Whatsherface's office with Nina she mentions stealing her card will allow access to any door and she specifically mentions the lounge, so I'm going to assume that's how you get that one done, but it's incredibly stupid from a "we just broke into an office and copied tests" point of view, so thinking even a little realistically or logically is likely to lock you out of that.

Not to mention that the Loo Legend is only possible with Selina up to now. It wouldn't make much sense to have each only possible with one character but I can only imagine how much work it would take to program every location possible with every, or even "only" multiple girls. That said, the achievements are persistent content, same as the scenes instead of tied to a playthrough. I got the Loo Legend cheevo when I was messing with URM to unlock the second Selina scene despite not being on a Selina run in my save.

 

[QuestionableNinja]

You know, I suspect doing these "Legend" things is going to be a convoluted mess that's going to require a very specific path.

For example, the staff lounge one. If you break into Dr. Whatsherface's office with Nina she mentions stealing her card will allow access to any door and she specifically mentions the lounge, so I'm going to assume that's how you get that one done, but it's incredibly stupid from a "we just broke into an office and copied tests" point of view, so thinking even a little realistically or logically is likely to lock you out of that.

Very much agree with this. I'd say the cheerleaders are much more the exceptions to normal human behaviour than Tashley. Personally, I know I'd be absolutely pissed if I was getting it on with a girl then she suddenly turned up less than a handful of hours later with another bloke.

Edit: What I actually should have been responding to...

Well not all girls like it if you get it on with them and a couple of hours later you have the next girl over (especially if said girls seem to be with the first guy they actually like and are willing to go further)...even if your not exclusive.

What is inconsistent in their behavior ?

 

[UnoriginalUserName]

Very much agree with this. I'd say the cheerleaders are much more the exceptions to normal human behaviour than Tashley. Personally, I know I'd be absolutely pissed if I was getting it on with a girl then she suddenly turned up less than a handful of hours later with another bloke.

Pretty sure you meant to reply to Raziel with this one.

For what it's worth though, I agree as well. I've never experienced it myself, but I worked with a guy who brought a girl home and fucked her, then went for a shower, and came out to find her sucking off his roommate on the couch. And all 3 of them worked together at the time. The girl fucked off somewhere, and the 2 guys stopped being roommates, but shit at work was awkward as all hell between them.

 

[QuestionableNinja]

Pretty sure you meant to reply to Raziel with this one.

For what it's worth though, I agree as well. I've never experienced it myself, but I worked with a guy who brought a girl home and fucked her, then went for a shower, and came out to find her sucking off his roommate on the couch. And all 3 of them worked together at the time. The girl fucked off somewhere, and the 2 guys stopped being roommates, but shit at work was awkward as all hell between them.

I absolutely did. Sorry about that. Worst part is I remember seeing his quote while I was typing. Apparently the mid-life halfzeimers is kicking in or something.

And yes, that sounds horrendously awkward. It's certainly one way to find out who the village bike is... just not the most desirable.

 

[mahligl]

Just wanted to say that Dr. Riley's answer to the "intelligent question" in the new update makes no sense. The essay is framed around Titchener's structural psychology, which has no connection whatsoever to the "structuralism" of the 1950s and 1960s, except for a superficial one.

, I know.

 

[Jacowboy]

Well not all girls like it if you get it on with them and a couple of hours later you have the next girl over (especially if said girls seem to be with the first guy they actually like and are willing to go further)...even if your not exclusive.

What is inconsistent in their behavior ?

okay first of all, these are porn games, not rl simulators.... obviously... because guess what, chances of twins "getting it on" with the same dude in rl? Yeah, not very high...

secondly, they get all butthurt about just having some fun after flirting like crazy... okay I guess? but then they're like "well you're not gonna be hooking up with both of us anyways" (i'm paraphrasing), which... erm, okay, then why did you do what you did earlier? I dunno, it's just inconsistent... it's weird switching between "realistic" logic and porn logic like that (note the quote marks).

in the end tho, I suspect it doesn't really matter, because curiously enough, you actually don't lose love points with them for even telling them they're overreacting and having fun with the other girl... sooo either it's a coding error, or it's just pointless drama... I guess we'll see.

 

[Raziel_8]

Very much agree with this. I'd say the cheerleaders are much more the exceptions to normal human behaviour than Tashley. Personally, I know I'd be absolutely pissed if I was getting it on with a girl then she suddenly turned up less than a handful of hours later with another bloke.

Yeah, i'd say that is the normal reaction to that, don't think any girl i have dated would have been cool if she saw me with an other girl later the day, same for me if the situation were reversed.

But i find this whole exclusive thing strange either way...dunno is this something typical american, because i'm more from the country side, or i'm just getting too old, idk.
But from the time when i was that age you hade a couple of dates to see if it fits, maybe could imagine more, lol no such things as sex on the 3rd date, and if you wanted to try for more you stoped dating others, that was kinda expected...well that is how i know it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[QuestionableNinja]

Yeah, i'd say that is the normal reaction to that, don't think any girl i have dated would have been cool if she saw me with an other girl later the day, same for me if the situation were reversed.

But i find this whole exclusive thing strange either way...dunno is this something typical american, because i'm more from the country side, or i'm just getting too old, idk.
But from the time when i was that age you hade a couple of dates to see if it fits, maybe could imagine more, lol no such things as sex on the 3rd date, and if you wanted to try for more you stoped dating others, that was kinda expected...well that is how i know it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To my knowledge, it's the American dating style that has leaked into modern British dating too but I think it comes down to how you met the person and how you've come to be dating them. Like most things, I think there's no real "true way" despite some peoples' best attempts to make a system of it.

 

[walker188]

To my knowledge, it's the American dating style that has leaked into modern British dating too but I think it comes down to how you met the person and how you've come to be dating them. Like most things, I think there's no real "true way" despite some peoples' best attempts to make a system of it.

Yeah, but there's also the whole connection thing. Like if I have an incredible date with a person and we fool around and then a couple hours later, they're out fucking someone else ONE ROOM AWAY, I wouldn't be too happy about it. The twins really like the MC. They let him go farther than they've ever let anyone else go as well as at the same time. Also they are (despite being incredibly unrealistic) still virgins.

I think they're reaction is reasonable for their character and moreover for a real human being.

But I personally also dislike it when games simply pretend a dozen women will happily share a single man as if they're splitting a pack of gum.

 

[TigerWolfe]

But I personally also dislike it when games simply pretend a dozen women will happily share a single man as if they're splitting a pack of gum.

So don't play games with the harem tag... I don't like games with swinging, I don't go to threads with games that have that tag, and regale everyone with tales of how I think it's a weird lifestyle that'd never work.

 

[walker188]

So don't play games with the harem tag... I don't like games with swinging, I don't go to threads with games that have that tag, and regale everyone with tales of how I think it's a weird lifestyle that'd never work.

First, what's with the hostile tone? We're all friends here.

Secondly, I have nothing against the Harem tag. What I don't like (thanks for asking) is when (IMO poorly written) harem games have bad characterization or bad character development. Personally I'd take consistent writing and well developed characters over just throwing them at the MC for the sake of being able to 'collect them all', like some sort of adults only Pokemon game.

 

[TigerWolfe]

First, what's with the hostile tone?

I don't think my tone was that hostile, more exhausted and annoyed... you're not the first person to pop up in a thread with similar complaints it's old hat. Instead of telling everyone what you don't like, go hang out in areas where you do enjoy what's there.

Or don't. No animosity meant.

 

[walker188]

I don't think my tone was that hostile, more exhausted and annoyed... you're not the first person to pop up in a thread with similar complaints it's old hat. Instead of telling everyone what you don't like, go hang out in areas where you do enjoy what's there.

Or don't. No animosity meant.

You sound defensive.

Do you want to talk about it? I'm a good listener.