VN Ren'Py Elmwood University [Ep.4 Gold] [WickedWare]

[BJ461]

i think harem ending IS the default ending if player choose to do every interaction with girls
but also, probably sacrifice a lot of lewd scenes+need harem perk+a lot of difficult/annoying choices to choose to achieve it
because during this E4 patch, in order to romance both paris and the twins you have to an option to lie about it to the twins = continue both the twins and paris path
and another check for the twin path with accepting their confession = lose double bj scene
and naomi is a cuckqueen, so 100% default girl if you choose to romance her and she probably okay with poly-relationship
also darth something in frat party pretty much told you beforehand about harem end that you NEED harem perk for all the girls to be okay with it
very ambitious, but doable
needless to say that most girls dont have solo ending, cheer girls is a package of 3 anyway

Based on what you're saying, I take it there's no way to patch things up with them yet if you're honest with them?

I wish the dev wasn't so cagey about who is on what route. I'd rather just make multiple playthroughs to experience all the girls, instead of fumbling in the dark and potentially hurting them. I'm too much of a pussy to play through making cute girls cry.

Alongside the Cheerleaders, Katie and Violet also seem pretty chill with you dating both, so I wouldn't be surprised if those 5, plus Taylor form the core of the big harem route, with others being optional inclusions.

 

[Anteron]

Based on what you're saying, I take it there's no way to patch things up with them yet if you're honest with them?

I wish the dev wasn't so cagey about who is on what route. I'd rather just make multiple playthroughs to experience all the girls, instead of fumbling in the dark and potentially hurting them. I'm too much of a pussy to play through making cute girls cry.

Alongside the Cheerleaders, Katie and Violet also seem pretty chill with you dating both, so I wouldn't be surprised if those 5, plus Taylor form the core of the big harem route, with others being optional inclusions.

Those 5 would be hot. In reality any of them would probably be the death of someone my age.

 

[BJ461]

Those 5 would be hot. In reality any of them would probably be the death of someone my age.

But what a way to go

 

[Anteron]

But what a way to go

True. It would certainly make an interesting obituary...

 

[FantasyFoursome]

Are you sure there won't be a whole harem ending among all main love interests planned?

So I had to search the dev's Patreon but this is from a post made after a survey was released after E2:

"This next question is quite interesting to look at. Here are the sort of endings you guys are most interested in:

1) Large harem (9+ girls) - 53%

2) Monogamous relationship (1 girl) - 46%

3) Throuple (2 girls) - 44%

4) 1 serious girl, casual w others - 41%

5) Small harem (3 girls) - 37%

6) Medium harem (4-8 girls) - 36%

7) No relationship, just casual sex - 19%

(These % don't add up to 100 because you could vote for more than one)

There was also the option to specify any other ending and from that we have a lot of people specifying a Tashley throuple, a few wanting a super big harem of all 18 girls and also quite a few asking for a solo Dr Riley ending. Also some other things written here such as ending the game as a virgin ahah (bodycount 0) and this was originally going to be an achievement in the game but I'm not sure if I do want to keep that or not lol. Also don't ask me what "Allergic to bee sting" means... I'm extremely confused by this lol.

But with this data the first thing that I found weird was how despite the large harem being the top desired ending, the small/medium harem are two of the least desired. So it's kinda weird - there isn't a basic correlation of more girls = more desired. But maybe the data is skewed by the options I've presented. It's just very surprising to me how the medium sized harem is so low. I might find a way to ask this question again in future with slightly different options/ wording to verify this data but regardless all of the options I've written will be endings in some form or another." (emphasis on that last point).

So while the dev hasn't explicitly said so, my thinking after reading between the lines from this post was that the "super big harem" option isn't planned. I could be wrong though!

 

[BJ461]

So I had to search the dev's Patreon but this is from a post made after a survey was released after E2:

"This next question is quite interesting to look at. Here are the sort of endings you guys are most interested in:

1) Large harem (9+ girls) - 53%

2) Monogamous relationship (1 girl) - 46%

3) Throuple (2 girls) - 44%

4) 1 serious girl, casual w others - 41%

5) Small harem (3 girls) - 37%

6) Medium harem (4-8 girls) - 36%

7) No relationship, just casual sex - 19%

(These % don't add up to 100 because you could vote for more than one)

There was also the option to specify any other ending and from that we have a lot of people specifying a Tashley throuple, a few wanting a super big harem of all 18 girls and also quite a few asking for a solo Dr Riley ending. Also some other things written here such as ending the game as a virgin ahah (bodycount 0) and this was originally going to be an achievement in the game but I'm not sure if I do want to keep that or not lol. Also don't ask me what "Allergic to bee sting" means... I'm extremely confused by this lol.

But with this data the first thing that I found weird was how despite the large harem being the top desired ending, the small/medium harem are two of the least desired. So it's kinda weird - there isn't a basic correlation of more girls = more desired. But maybe the data is skewed by the options I've presented. It's just very surprising to me how the medium sized harem is so low. I might find a way to ask this question again in future with slightly different options/ wording to verify this data but regardless all of the options I've written will be endings in some form or another." (emphasis on that last point).

So while the dev hasn't explicitly said so, my thinking after reading between the lines from this post was that the "super big harem" option isn't planned. I could be wrong though!

It makes sense to me. If a harem with all the girls is available, smaller harems feel a bit redundant. That's, of course, assuming they contain the same girls. A small harem with my favourites is going to be a lot more appealing than a 9+ harem without them.

Personally, I'd rather them be broken up into smaller polycules. I'm no Rentaro.

If there isn't going to be an everyone harem, though, then it just makes it all the more frustrating not knowing what the routes explicitly are. I'd rather get working on multiple saves now than have to do it later. Last time I asked, the dev wanted to keep that close to their chest.

 

[Anteron]

As the number of girls go down, the numbers percentagewise go down...

 

[OWSam000]

If there won't be a full harem ending for this game, I would definitely go nut.

 

[TAGELD]

Considering the description of the perk "harmony", I would be VERY surprised if there isn't an "all 18 main girls" harem (that maybe you can only get by rushing the light supernatural branch as fast as possible or something). Also, I would expect the "Fuck everyone (incuding side girls) but no relationship" to be what you get if you rush the dark supernatural branch.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Considering the description of the perk "harmony", I would be VERY surprised if there isn't an "all 18 main girls" harem (that maybe you can only get by rushing the light supernatural branch as fast as possible or something). Also, I would expect the "Fuck everyone (incuding side girls) but no relationship" to be what you get if you rush the dark supernatural branch.

Considering the amount of perks needed to make the full harem work, I still think it is possible in a eventual game+

 

[TAGELD]

Considering the amount of perks needed to make the full harem work, I still think it is possible in a eventual game+

Nah, if you get to harmony that's +70 love points with all main girls by itself. Sure, you'll skip some sex scenes, but I think the whole point of Harmony is to get them all in spite of that.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

who cares about a harem when the whole cast looks homely next to Riley

 

[Jaga Telesin]

Nah, if you get to harmony that's +70 love points with all main girls by itself. Sure, you'll skip some sex scenes, but I think the whole point of Harmony is to get them all in spite of that.

Kids buy action figures to play with them. Similarly, someone assembling a harem would add members to have sex with them.

If you can collect them all, but can't play with them when/how you want, what is the point of the harem? It's like having limits imposed despite being the one who built the harem. "You can buy 1,000 action figures Timmy, but you can only play with 5 at a time, and you have to permanently stop playing with them after 20 hours each!"

Bottom line: forcing good path followers to skip content just so they can "get along" later doesn't seem like a rewarding path for the player/reader. If the dark path scenes are *specifically* dark, that's one thing. But if the good path locks out a bunch of non-dark-specific content just to manage members and work on getting them to "play nice", that's a bit of a turn-off.

I originally liked the skill trees that EU presented. But the more I see it over time, and the more I play it, the less I like it overall. I see skills as "earned perks" that should enhance gameplay, not lock the player into a pre-determined path. That may not align with what EU offers.

 

[TAGELD]

Kids buy action figures to play with them. Similarly, someone assembling a harem would add members to have sex with them.

If you can collect them all, but can't play with them when/how you want, what is the point of the harem? It's like having limits imposed despite being the one who built the harem. "You can buy 1,000 action figures Timmy, but you can only play with 5 at a time, and you have to permanently stop playing with them after 20 hours each!"

Bottom line: forcing good path followers to skip content just so they can "get along" later doesn't seem like a rewarding path for the player/reader. If the dark path scenes are *specifically* dark, that's one thing. But if the good path locks out a bunch of non-dark-specific content just to manage members and work on getting them to "play nice", that's a bit of a turn-off.

I originally liked the skill trees that EU presented. But the more I see it over time, and the more I play it, the less I like it overall. I see skills as "earned perks" that should enhance gameplay, not lock the player into a pre-determined path. That may not align with what EU offers.

You misunderstood, or I didn't express myself well enough, one or the other. What I meant was, I think with rushing Harmony you'll miss some early sex scenes, but later you'll be able to be in a relationship with all of them, which will mean you'll get to fuck everyone. Later on. Makes things a bit slower, but with a better (in my opinion) payout.


Remember the tale that robed weirdo told us at the party, prioritizing sex perks will get you laid, but won't get you the full harem.

In the end of the day, if you want to have your cake and eat it too, you can always use the cake mod.

 

[BJ461]

Considering the amount of perks needed to make the full harem work, I still think it is possible in a eventual game+

Do we know if NG+ is still on the table? I asked the dev if New Game+ will have scenes to account for perks we would have on a NG+ playthrough that we wouldn't have been able to unlock on our first playthrough, and that made him seem less keen on the idea.

 

[Jaga Telesin]

Remember the tale that robed weirdo told us at the party, prioritizing sex perks will get you laid, but won't get you the full harem.

In the end of the day, if you want to have your cake and eat it too, you can always use the cake mod.

I think I understood you pretty well. You re-stated, and I'll re-reply (and for the record, I think we're seeing the same scenario, and it doesn't look good for EU):

You can either have more sex early on due to the right sex perks, and less sex later on due to not having Harmony (and hence not a full harem)...

OR

You can have less sex early on (due to rushing Harmony), and more sex later on due to having the full Harem.

NEITHER way gets you the full gamut of sex, start-to-finish, unless you cheat using a mod.

I don't know about a lot of people out here, but I rarely re-play an entire game just to see different choices pan out. That is at least, not until it's been a year or more for me and I'm running out of other things to play.

Do we know if NG+ is still on the table? I asked the dev if New Game+ will have scenes to account for perks we would have on a NG+ playthrough that we wouldn't have been able to unlock on our first playthrough, and that made him seem less keen on the idea.

That's too bad. Seems like he may be hell-bent on requiring new playthroughs start-to-finish. It might end up making mods to cheat in skills mandatory to see full content.

 

[TAGELD]

fair enough

 

[OdinTGE]

I think I understood you pretty well. You re-stated, and I'll re-reply (and for the record, I think we're seeing the same scenario, and it doesn't look good for EU):

You can either have more sex early on due to the right sex perks, and less sex later on due to not having Harmony (and hence not a full harem)...

OR

You can have less sex early on (due to rushing Harmony), and more sex later on due to having the full Harem.

NEITHER way gets you the full gamut of sex, start-to-finish, unless you cheat using a mod.

I don't know about a lot of people out here, but I rarely re-play an entire game just to see different choices pan out. That is at least, not until it's been a year or more for me and I'm running out of other things to play.




That's too bad. Seems like he may be hell-bent on requiring new playthroughs start-to-finish. It might end up making mods to cheat in skills mandatory to see full content.

Just...use one of the mods that unlocks perks.

 

[Jaga Telesin]

Just...use one of the mods that unlocks perks.

That's what I did last playthrough, yup. I'm just afraid the few skill points given out will make multiple playthroughs required to experience most of the content. Some people can do that, but a lot of people won't (myself included). It'd make a cheat mod almost mandatory to avoid more than 2 playthroughs (1 Light, 1 Dark) even with the mod cranking up points.

 

[OdinTGE]

That's what I did last playthrough, yup. I'm just afraid the few skill points given out will make multiple playthroughs required to experience most of the content. Some people can do that, but a lot of people won't (myself included). It'd make a cheat mod almost mandatory to avoid more than 2 playthroughs (1 Light, 1 Dark) even with the mod cranking up points.

I have no doubt that if you don't use a mod, you will miss content. That is clearly the dev's intent. If mods weren't possible, it would be worth a discussion. As it is, I'm not sure why there's any concern. If you want to play it "as intended" and do multiple playthroughs that's available. If you want to have all the cakes and eat all the cakes all at once, that is also available.