Endgame for NTR players in a NTR game

[ChaosOpen]

i think is not so easy
1. If a wife cheat on her husband .. the husband is a loser
2 if the husband cheat on his wife... the husband is a hero and the tag will be called "harem"

there is no harem tag for straight female MCs!
and there is no NTR for female MC... (usually if the husband cheat on her she will go for revenge gangbang with the husband friends = cheating tag

The female cuck does exist, most VN authors just think "why waste time making a cuckquean game when you can just make a harem?"

 

[Satyrsfaction]

I do not consider 'NTR' to be a fetish, since fetishism is more related to objects,
materials or parts of the body (one's own and or also those of one's partner).
So I would rather think of it as a genre, just like some people are into action and
comedy and others are into horror, splatter, psycho-thriller or drama, for example.
In a sense, NTR could perhaps be compared to a melodrama, a genre that deals
with emotional and inner-mental conflicts.

Now a/my little statement on (NTR), here focused on Netorare.
From my point of view, NTR does not deal with cheating, but rather the withdrawal of love,
the separation of an emotional bond in a state of powerlessness.
In a sense, both are powerless here, both
- the man who has to watch his wife being screwed by another man, and
- the woman who can no (longer) escape the influence of the other man.

The desire of so many to tone down NTR (here Netorare), to make it more harmless,
is in comparison (to me), like trying to have a happy ending in a psychothriller melodrama.
It is entirely possible -> while in the end everything was just a bad dream and everything is fine;
but that will probably get boring in the long run.

So why do people watch comedies?
- because they want to be made to laugh.
Why do people watch dramas?
- because they want made to be sad and to cry.
Why do people watch psychothrillers?
- because they want to be get frightened.
Splatter, horror, action, romance, crime ... etc. everything is ultimately for entertainment.
And to include my comparison to the melodrama again ...
Why do people watch this? Because they are masochists?!
- The viewers are often confronted with their own fears, longings and losses.
It even helps some to deal with or face these feelings.

Sex films, porn movies/clips and porn games often become monotonous after a while
because they often follow a same boring pattern.
Porn games here less often, if they have a plot ... and these often also use the genres
mentioned above - horror, crime, comedy, action, BUT less drama.
So why shouldn't there be a kind of porn drama too?

However, I have the impression that for many it would be important:
- to indicate, which NTR it is
and, if necessary,
- a warning that the game can affect the state of mind (sadness, anger, fear of loss).


So if you like, you can tone down your NTR game by
- it was a bad dream
(or you have a second path)
- ... no, it wasn't a dream.

 

[Satyrsfaction]

For some men it also makes a big difference, who the woman is cheating with,
especially if they have particular dislikes, such as:
- certain people (whom they knows, e.g. best friend (taboo), hated neighbor)
- men of certain cultures or religions,
- Followers of certain groups (e.g. sports fan of an opposing / hostile team)

On the other hand, a kind of affection for the other man / men
can make the betrayed man more aroused than angry while watching.


Here is a rather funny example:

 

[Dragul17]

For some men it also makes a big difference, who the woman is cheating with,
especially if they have particular dislikes, such as:
- certain people (whom they knows, e.g. best friend (taboo), hated neighbor)
- men of certain cultures or religions,
- Followers of certain groups (e.g. sports fan of an opposing / hostile team)

On the other hand, a kind of affection for the other man / men
can make the betrayed man more aroused than angry while watching.


Here is a rather funny example:

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Thank God it was only the pizza man can you imagine if it was the goddamn postman?

 

[javier_himura]

forget to say... in this forum NETORI is included in cheating
just click on the cheating tag and the definition is Netori...

Not exactly. Netori contains cheating in the sense that it can't be Netori without cheating, but cheating is not always Netori.
Netori focuses on how the MC steals the girl from another man, for example explaining how the girl hates being forced to cheat or having scenes with the MC doing naughty things with the girl near her husband without him being aware. So, in games where the husband is not a character actually in the story, it should have a cheating tag but not a Netori tag (which right now does not exist).

Netori contains cheating but is not cheating, that is why it should have its own tag separated from cheating.

what if the MC is the woman?

I almost never play female characters games so I am not sure about Netori and Netorase with female MC except for lesbian games (in which case the female MC is for all purposes the same as a male MC) but with female MC is Netorare when the female MC is forced to cheat on her husband/boyfriend. Probably female Netorase would be just cuckqueen but with the MC being the cuckqueen , in essence, that a game with male MC could have a cuckqueen but only a game where the MC is a female cuckqueen would be a female Netorase. And female Netori, this is just my guess, but it could be a game where the female MC is willing to cheat on her husband/boyfriend at his back or even worst making him being aware without being able to do nothing.

So, no matter if male or female is netorare if you are the victim, netori if you are the villain, and netorase if you are a willing "victim". With the exception of the willing "victim" in wich case there is no real victim an NTR story could involve 1 villain and 2 victims or 2 villains and 1 victim, depending on if the cheating part is cheating voluntarily or is being forced to cheat.

there is no harem tag for straight female MCs!

Actually, it would be the same tag for female MCs, harem. A harem of males is still a harem. Another different thing is that there is no game or almost no game with female MCs gaining a harem. Female domination games with female MCs could be ideal, but most femdom games are for submissive male MCs.

The female cuck does exist, most VN authors just think "why waste time making a cuckquean game when you can just make a harem?"

Cuckquean wouldn't be a female netorare because cuckquean usually is willing to let her husband cheat on her. If the MC is willing then is not netorare. I know that in this forum two cocks automatically means netorare to most people, but sharing, threesome, willingly to be cuckquean or cuckold is not netorare. Netorare only happens when you play as the victim, if you play as someone who wants that to happen you are not a victim, therefore is not netorare. The problem is the lack of tags for these things, there is no sharing, cuckquean nor cuckold tags.

 

[zenshiny]

Thank God it was only the pizza man can you imagine if it was the goddamn postman?

Plot twist: It was actually the postman dressed up as the pizza man

 

[hakarlman]

The mid game is watching all the women you care about engaged in the most extreme degenerate sex, all while jerking off to them with the MC's mind broken. The MC feels the most ruthless, brutal shame humanly imaginable and is the lowest male in the male hierarchy. Pure masochistic pain while bearing witness to depraved sexual acts: Your women getting fucked by tons of guys over & over again.

The end game is beyond the mid game, traveling into uncharted territory that the human imagination has yet to see. NTR content so shocking, that it inspires the Harem guy checking out the NTR content out of curiosity to send the developer hate mail and death threats.

 

[BraveOrakio]

I look like an ntr frogman so I can relate better to the cucker than the cuckee

 

[NcncYono]

Hi, I am making a game that has NTR in it. My question is specifically for NTR loving people.

What is your end game in a NTR game. Most NTR games, where the guy who is stealing the girls are either abandoned or under development. I want to ask what an NTR gamer see as an end game for such games.

Is it to get as many NTR scenes possible while slowly and steadily winning your girls back in the end or having the other guy winning it all.

I have a good well thought plan about MC following the first part while keep the NTR loving part of his personality intact but when I think about the latter part, I can't seem to be able to think more content than 2-3 updates and an early game over.

So I know this is a really old post but I thought I'd say that in NTR, Netori is very underserved. Many Netori fans (people who prefer playing or reading as the stealer) have to settle for Netorare games and stories and sort of imagine themselves as the antagonist in mediums that aren't geared towards them. A lot of NTR consumers actually hate finding ways around the perspective of guys being cucked in games that only embrace that perspective, that's why you hear them complain.

Stories where an ugly old dude is the hero and he steals a hot young woman have a very unexexploited niche. Specially from a Nettori type B side. She says no but then gives up. Bonus points if our mean and ugly hero is somehow a bully to her husband and she's kind, loyal, and doesn't want to end up with her husband's ugly bully. The best end game is when the ugly old protagonist impregnates this woman and ends up forcing her to leave her husband and marry him instead.

Experiment with different levels of torn loyalty for optimal results. She either

1. becomes mostly loyal to the ugly protagonist but still retains enough loyalty to her original husband to be sad,

2. or her loyalty is torn between the previous husband she's always loved and the ugly protagonist she's come to love,

3. or she's completely loyal to the ugly protagonist and no loyalty remains for her husband (preferably with a "you failed to protect me" resentment angle going on, also applicable in split loyalty scenarios),

4. or she's completely loyal to her previous husband but submits to the ugly protagonist for her previous husband's sake (or maybe the ugly protagonist is threatening to destroy the world, etc),

5. Or she's still mostly loyal to her previous husband but also becomes just loyal enough to the ugly protagonist that she doesn't want this to end with him dead or in prison so she submits to him because she knows her previous husband won't cause trouble if she tells him not to.

 

[Deleted member 14950]

What is your end game in a NTR game. Most NTR games, where the guy who is stealing the girls are either abandoned or under development.

Endgame - continuous activity in last stage.
Example: In World of Warcraft leveling and dungeons is early game,
collecting best in slot gear is mid game,
raiding or collecting mounts is late game.
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The reason why most game are abandoned is because authors doesn't know what to do once you've achived NTR. Those games are centered on NTR itself, not a quest, mission or a goal. NTR itself becomes a goal.
Look, a lot of developers are focused on NTRing love interest of a main character, that is why, when NTRing finally happens, there is no story to tell anymore.
NTRMAN games is precisely like that, the one where you're working for a company, remember that one? There is nothing about a company, nothing about becoming a director of it, or at least getting a promotion, etc. The story is not about that, it's about NTRing.

Now, let's suppose there is a game that focuses on a main quest, on a goal that you character needs to achieve, like throwing a ring into a mountain, or defeating an enemy, saving the princess. So, even if NTRing does happen, the story doesn't end, there's still a quest to finish. Another example, you've been sent to colonize a planet, you're crew is NTRed, but you still need to colonize that planet.

In other words, first type of a game doesn't have an endgame, only early and mid, since once you've achieved NTR it quickly wraps up. The endgame in a second type is talking, interacting, observing a NTRed character while trying to complete your quest. Endgame is NTR that happens along the way to a goal. Not NTR in a vacuum.
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So I know this is a really old post but I thought I'd say that

I don't think it's necro threading.
First, this thread is open to replies. If necroing is bad, then why does user has an ability to do it at all? Make a timer, 365 days since last message in a thread, when it excedes it, shut the thread down, thats it.

Second, the question of NTR structure, purpose, tempo, meaning is not yet clear. People are experimenting, trying new things(Apart from Japanese devs). So I consider a follow up to that to be completely valid, since we still doesn't have a clear understanding how to make perfect NTR game and such.