Endgame for NTR players in a NTR game

[ulala0077]

Well, here's two short NTR films if that helps.

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. Both end on kind of a cliffhanger (which is kind of a characteristic of short films and not necessarily exclusinve to NTR films).

I maintain that NTR should share a structure with horror, where you imply the NTR and have the MC's brain going wild about how bad the NTR is, then you finally revel it. Like horror, NTR is a world shattering experience the MC goes through and is normally fundamentally changed after it (good horror as with good NTR should include a character arc for the protagonist). Honestly, I'd watch horror movies and pay close attention to their endings if you want to figure out a good ending for an NTR game.

That's actually a very great analogy. Thank you! I may try following it in my second NTR route.

 

[Insanely43]

I might as well add my 50 cents on this if you still haven't decided on a ending. NTR can end either way in my opinion. Best example of this is Netoraserare, where it has a lot of drama but they still lived a Happy Ever After, albeit a fucked up on. Your would really have to depend on the way your story was constructed prior to the ending. Was the girl a slut? Was the MC a spineless wimp? Did he fight for her, etc. The flow of the story is the most important part in the NTR imo rather than the ending itself as the NTR is all about that build up of rage, sadness, despair and hope.

Best NTR for me would be Netorare Type B, explained in VNDB. It is for me the only true NTR, aside from Netori, as most of the current NTR stories are basically rape, adultery, cheating, swinging, corruption or just plain drama. Cuckold is actually just Netorase. Hopefully this helps.

 

[ulala0077]

I might as well add my 50 cents on this if you still haven't decided on a ending. NTR can end either way in my opinion. Best example of this is Netoraserare, where it has a lot of drama but they still lived a Happy Ever After, albeit a fucked up on. Your would really have to depend on the way your story was constructed prior to the ending. Was the girl a slut? Was the MC a spineless wimp? Did he fight for her, etc. The flow of the story is the most important part in the NTR imo rather than the ending itself as the NTR is all about that build up of rage, sadness, despair and hope.

Best NTR for me would be Netorare Type B, explained in VNDB. It is for me the only true NTR, aside from Netori, as most of the current NTR stories are basically rape, adultery, cheating, swinging, corruption or just plain drama. Cuckold is actually just Netorase. Hopefully this helps.

Thanks. I will pay more attention to the flow

 

[Faceless0ne]

I'am quite conservative, especially for someone lurking on the internet. I would even dare saying that I don't even have kinks seeing as what I define as "kink" has made its way into "normal" bedrooms many years ago.
But over the past few weeks I found, that I have my very own "demon"... In general I really hate NTR (got burnt in the past like most other who hate NTR) but "doing the NTR to others", causing them emotional pain (no matter if it is consensual or not)...gives me a kick...
Although I'm unsure if you still call this NTR...
I'm old AF and don't bother keeping up with all them trends...

 

[thenatedog7]

I have to say these are all really good answers and helpful to making a good ntr game.

 

[tanstaafl]

First, establish whether you are talking about netori or netorare. Both are classified as NTR on this site and that is a tragedy because they are completely different things, with different intrinsic fetishes behind them and different overall expectations.

And no, netori is not just netorare from the MCs perspective. I don't know how people got that in their heads. It can be that, obviously, but usually the motivations and general overall focus of the plot are vastly divergent.

 

[TheAnimeKing12]

well in my opinion i would like to play a game where the player steals the girl from the guy

 

[DasKapitan]

Because NTR is basically a fetish of the most hardcore of masochists. Rather than just having a dominant/sadistic woman, they want to feel shameful and be absolutely humiliated as they are treated like trash and thrust into the depths of despair with no escape and no recourse. The sex often isn't the important part, it's meerly a means to an ends, the key part is showing how much better the other guy is at sex than you; which is why it is depicted as so good that she completely loses her ability to make rational decisions.

Here's the problem with defining NTR this narrowly: On this site it's not only people who like the kink or make/upload the kink that get to tag it... More often with NTR it seems like it's the haters pushing for things to be tagged, so their precious egos aren't exposed to it.

I don't consider myself a fan of NTR the way you've defined it, narrowly and shame-based, but a lot of the stuff that I am into, like consenting non-monogamy, corruption/sexual-awakening, polyamory, etc is enough to trigger a subset of the population here, so it gets lumped in with NTR all the time.

So if the goal of the haters is to define NTR as broadly as possible, so they can push anything remotely like it out of their bubble, you've gotta think that the people who do search for the NTR tag, or at least don't actively exclude it, have a range of interests that might not be quite as narrow as you'd like if you're one of the "hardcore" NTR fans.

For example: I can easily imagine a scene in a game where an MC's wife fucks the poolboy while he watches on the security camera, then later that night she'll tell the MC in lurid detail how she got ploughed by that virile young stud while they're also fucking. Not to shame him, but to get him even more excited.
I mean, that deliberately doesn't match your own definition of NTR, but it would 100% cause some folks here to demand that it get tagged as NTR... You see what I mean?

So the question for a dev making NTR content is gonna be whether they stick to their own specific interests, whether that's true NTR or just something else that got pushed out of the bubble, or whether they explore other related kinks because people have asked them to?
Personally I don't think there's any harm in asking a dev to explore something different or tangential, as long as you're prepared to take "No" for an answer... But by the same token I've seen NTR fans get pretty tribal when a dev does that, accusing them of caving to pressure or similar nonsense, and you're only harming yourselves when you do that... If a little broader appeal gets more people into a game, that's a good thing. If a detour from expectation helps a dev to identify new interests of their own, or just gain a new perspective on their work, that's a good thing. Hell, even if a dev 'sells out' for the Patreon money, so they can maybe quit their shitty day job and still pay the rent, even that's ultimately a good thing.

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Now, to answer the OP's question, given my place outside the bubble, but not strictly within NTR fandom:
I'm a giant fucking carebear, so I like games to end with all the characters being sexually fulfilled in their own way... That is, not the player's way, but the character's way. Bring me on that journey... So say, if the character's really into the shame thing show me that by finding it's ultimate zenith. You can have the shame spiral into sissification, or have the character transform themselves into the very image of Big-dick Alpha Male perfection trying to escape from it, only to realise it was that shame that got them off all along, and they dive right back in. Anything that's not an unrelenting downward spiral ending in oblivion, or a pointless journey that just ends right back where it started.

But one of my holy grails would be a game where I have to work to encourage the MC's wife/girlfriend/lover to fuck certain other people, not just the MC... You'd be doing all the 'relationship quest' stuff, only not for the usual self-gratification but to watch your partner blossom into a true sexual dynamo. Stuff like building up the nerdy neighbour kid's confidence enough that he'll actually ask her for sex as his 18th birthday present. Or you really want her to fuck her boss but she thinks that could impact her career, so you have to create a setup where the boss fucks her without knowing who she is. That sort of thing.
The MC can have sex with her basically whenever he likes. She wouldn't be cucking him. But all these new experiences would unlock new scenes for the two of them to share together. And of course it would have some group sex and MC voyeurism sprinkled in there.
I wouldn't personally think of that as an NTR game. Hardcore NTR fans definitely wouldn't. But of course the vocally anti-NTR folks absolutely would.

 

[lancelotdulak]

Most of us hate ntr. I do too.
Having said that.. those of you smart enough to figure out your fetish is a tiny one (percentage wise).. why do you want to narrow it even more? Stop bashing each other. I suggest you all form a subgroup here with a thread and share stories and comment on them (in a nice way) about what you like and dislike so that the TINY subsection of devs who do it can figure out what you want....

 

[DasKapitan]

I suggest you all form a subgroup here with a thread and share stories and comment on them (in a nice way) about what you like and dislike so that the TINY subsection of devs who do it can figure out what you want....

Sooo... People have actually done that in the past. The threads tend to fill up with driveby commenters who feel compelled to tell everyone how much they don't like NTR, and how insignificant the kink's audience is. Namsayn?

 

[defd©™]

I can suggest you to make a NTR game that satrs from the end.
My favorite NTR ending is not lose the girl because if the MC loses his girl his wife also loses the ability to continue doing what she wants.

I think do NTR is a mutual choice so if you want really start a great NTR game different from those that already existing:

START THE STORY FROM THE END!

A good story that can tell about a old couple over 60s that comes from the liberation of stereotype where the women must be dominated by the men and/or vice versa a couple that loves to do role-playing games to spice up their relationship
One time he is submissive and another time she go to be the submissive one

A story with tons of flashback that looks on their fabulous past where they actively participated to the Sexual Revolution i think

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during their relationship they met artists like Mick Jagger or Jimi Hendrix
and they have attended many sex and drug parties

But back to the story... the game must be a dual protagonist (female-male protagonist) game in order to include the point of view of both of them.

in any case the end is not really important because there are no moral or immoral choices in adult game
they are just remember their past (and the end is always the same sad end for all humans)
they also have many children and some were conceived with other partners
this game should be focused in the roleplaying that is inside a mutual decision in the relationship

when a couple survives their 50th anniversary it is normal to have gone through ups and downs
... and role-playing games have lead them to love each other from the start until today
so there is not a dominant one in this couple...

sometimes one of them decides to do take dominant and sometimes the part of the submissive.

they love each other and what they have built is really important ...
it is a step forward towards a world where there are equal rights between men and women

 

[defd©™]

ignore the comments by people that do not like NTR they are out of topic here
and they will never play your game...

 

[defd©™]

The spirit of a NTR relationship is based on the reciprocate sexual satisfaction.... there is a song ... I can’t get no satisfaction... by Rolling Stones
Do so thing tha talk about the sexual liberation where the only must is do what you want by respect the needs of your partner... in a reciprocal way....

 

[defd©™]

Of course ther will be also the cuckold path but this path must be done without preconceptions because there are men and women the in some circumstances can get excitement also by this.

Also do not forget that NTR can be done also hiding some relationship
It is not required that the male mc knows that she fucks with other guys...

NTR is an excellent way for write very unexpected events and the limit is only in your fantasy

 

[defd©™]

Best ending for ntr story?
.... To be continued

 

[Rufus20]

The answer depends on who you ask the question to.
Every person has their own kinks/fetishes.

But i see 3 categories of people who like NTR scenes:

1. People who like to be cucked (start with the girl) and slowly lose her
2. People who want to rescue the girl from another guy (start single) and slowly win her over
3. People who want to corrupt the girl (turn her into a slut) and share her with others

My advice would be to make the scenes/kinks/story that you yourself would like to see and give the players an option to skip certain scenes that don't fit their kinks.
If you try to cater to everyone their kinks, I'm afraid your game would never get finished.

3

 

[defd©™]

The answer depends on who you ask the question to.
Every person has their own kinks/fetishes.

But i see 3 categories of people who like NTR scenes:

1. People who like to be cucked (start with the girl) and slowly lose her
2. People who want to rescue the girl from another guy (start single) and slowly win her over
3. People who want to corrupt the girl (turn her into a slut) and share her with others

My advice would be to make the scenes/kinks/story that you yourself would like to see and give the players an option to skip certain scenes that don't fit their kinks.
If you try to cater to everyone their kinks, I'm afraid your game would never get finished.

number 3 is ok but there are a lot of missing points.
NTR is complicate relationship

one of the missing points should be:
I love to be single and i do not want only one girl in my life...
I'm not looking for faithful girls... because there is no chances if they are already engaged
So I love looking for NTR couples... or girls that love sex... and i do not want win the girl or stole her from her man
I just want to be good fuck friend...
...and whenever possible I would like to be with her alone for a date and go to a porn cinema to see if she is truly a nymphomaniac... but I will never force her to do something she do not want to do.

I love women that are free to choices.

but I have to admit that the number 2 happened to me when i was in the college ages
and it didn't end well.. she was a total slut ... she cheated on me as she was doing with her previous boyfriend...

SO options 1 and 2 are very similar... but
if a girl loves to have sex like a nympho (this is great) she has to be with boyfriend/husbands who allow her to fuck with others..
If you stolen a girl like that you will never be able to win her..
I do not like to be a cuckold but if I love her and she loves me as well...
I must be the one that like to share her with others.... If not I will be a cuck and i do not like the lies ... I prefer the truth

 

[Ric]

First of all, you need to take into account that by asking such things here (on a pirate forum), you will first of all get a subjective opinion, which can seriously differ from what people who want to buy your product will want. Many people simply do not fully understand the meaning of the term NTR, as evidenced by numerous debates in various topics, when some users, including the author, say that there is no NTR in the game, others argue the opposite. Also, in many topics, you can see people who write that the author does not make the game well, but at the same time, these people are regularly waiting for a link to the new version.
Summarizing the above, make allowances for the subjectivity of the answers.

Any genre of games has classic scenarios and the author must choose something anyway. And in order to understand what is in demand, it is best to analyze (take as an example) successful projects of the required genre.
That is, to study popular games of this genre, read reviews.
The forum has a sufficient number of high-quality games on different engines with translation , which can be found by the tag.
https://f95zone.to/tags/ntr/
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https://f95zone.to/threads/ntr-netorare-cuckold-resources-discussion-development.2711/

In addition, you can study not only games, but also comics/manga
https://f95zone.to/threads/blackmaled-collection-sexy3dcomics-gonzo-studios.21890/#post-1371421
https://f95zone.to/threads/black-takes-white-ep-1-6-sexy3dcomics.15351/
https://f95zone.to/threads/touchuukasou-ch-1-7-fuetakishi.44651/
etc

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you can pay special attention to the "most popular / viewed" works

After exploring the resources, you should choose the scenario that suits you best. The ending of the game as well as its development can have several branches.
First of all, the basis of the game and the main scenario must be author's. That is, you must follow your scenario to the end. The opinion of users can be taken into account for some adjustment or in an additional branch.

If you have an understanding of the first part of the game, but you still do not know what will happen at the end. That is, it makes sense to make this part, publish it on patreon and arrange a vote there. At least the opinions of people who pay are much more important.
But even in this case, you need to understand who your project is intended for. Any game finds its supporters and opponents. Even patrons can vote for opposite things in the game and it is impossible to please everyone.
You will have to choose for the interests of which part of the audience you will work, and which desires may not be fully fulfilled or completely ignored.

As for my opinion on the final. The ending can be anything, but it must have a logical connection with the whole game. That is, the game itself must have prerequisites for the ending. (Prerequisites can be both pronounced and barely noticeable, but they should be)...

 

[hakarlman]

-It is possible to get back your girlfriend by stealing her back

I agree with everything you wrote, but this one part is confusing.

Do you really want to play a game where you can win back your woman after losing her?

I'm making a game with the following:
- You can keep the girl all to yourself (never lose her).
- You can let her fuck tons of other guys, and you risk losing her ONLY if you slack behind, but as long as you stay on the path, you won't lose her, even if she gets fucked by tons of other guys.
- Once you lose her, THAT'S IT, you never get her back.

Is there a strong appeal in losing her, but then working to get her back? Do you know of any NTR games that have actually done this?

I love Netorare, Sharing, Netori, Cuckolding, Netorase, but I never got into the idea of trying to win women back after you've lost them. The way I see it, you either WIN or LOSE, but you seem to want to LOSE, but then slowly WIN again?

 

[Pretentious Goblin]

Do you know of any NTR games that have actually done this?

I love Netorare, Sharing, Netori, Cuckolding, Netorase, but I never got into the idea of trying to win women back after you've lost them. The way I see it, you either WIN or LOSE, but you seem to want to LOSE, but then slowly WIN again?

Well yeah, if you include those rather obnoxious "be the alpha male or get cucked" games like Big Brother. If you consider those to be NTR. In The Tyrant, the only one of these I've played that I kinda like, you can definitely turn it around and get them to go out with you rather than your rival. But it's more of a sandbox game, not really a story. Amor Magical Academy has this too, afaik.