Endgame for NTR players in a NTR game

polywog

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I'm not an NTR lover, but I don't hate games that have it as long as the dev is honest about it. There are different ways of going about NTR some are better than others.

For example when NTR is a consequence of something you did wrong.

Like Mortal Kombat, when you lose and your girlfriend now belongs to your opponent who defeated you, and he uses her while you bleed out. The "end-game" is to humiliate you for losing, so that you git gud.

If you have a girlfriend, and you fool around with other girls... karma bitch

If you're gonna self-insert all the time, you need to focus on what you're diving into, like others have said, the story is important. You could be self-inserting into a serial killer. Look for clues if the MC is dressed as a killer clown, why on earth would you expect to end up with the girl in that story. Obviously she's going to run straight into the arms of the officer responding to her 911 call. put down the chainsaw dawg, if you aren't gonna use it.

Don't think it's safe to slip into the MC suit just because he's a rich Chad. That almost guarantees she's just after your money, and doesn't love you for you. Money can't buy happiness.

One more example is the "Love at first sight" if you believe in that, you deserve getting NTR. Just because a girl looks nice and you get a boner, doesn't mean she's the right girl for you. Don't be surprised that she has other boyfriends. People who believe in love at first sight, never stop looking. A hotter girl is gonna come along and you're gonna want her. lol
 

khumak

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Win her back? That's a no no for me. I say catch the slut on video and sue her for adultery to spare yourself from alimony
Yep, scorched earth baby. No interest in winning her back after that. Only thing I would want is either a clean break where I toss her out and never see her again or if it was a particularly nasty situation, payback. I can think of a small number of scenarios where reconciliation would work but pretty unlikely. Basically the only way it would work for me is if I did something just as bad or worse than what she did.
 
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Dragul17

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I agree but we are talking a hardcore NTR situation here. It takes a pretty dedicated heart and weak man to allow a woman who cheated and have another man's child to remain. Would we really allow a tainted woman back in our lives probably not but the same is with a woman there are probably more adverse to another woman sleeping with their man. I have a personal friend who did allow a woman back in his life after she cheated on him. They seem to be happy but I can't be sure whether she stopped cheating or not
 
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Ryu Hawke

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There was a game named "Innocence Lost" which got abandoned.It had a great story which got the player engrossed in its world immediately. That game was my first exposure to NTR genre. Though it was NTR, I never hated the girl because she was unwillingly being forced by the bad guy into her corruption. I connected with the good guy who was a nerd and physically no match to the bad guy. I wanted the game to end on the good note with the good guy winning his girl back and completely annihilating the bad guy, with his brains, for all the sufferings his girl had to go through.

If a girl is willingly cheating on the player then payback is the best way to end the game.
 

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I agree but we are talking a hardcore NTR situation here. It takes a pretty dedicated heart and weak man to allow a woman who cheated and have another man's child to remain. Would we really allow a tainted woman back in our lives probably not but the same is with a woman there are probably more adverse to another woman sleeping with their man. I have a personal friend who did allow a woman back in his life after she cheated on him. They seem to be happy but I can't be sure whether she stopped cheating or not
And there lies the crux of the issue. Even if she does go back to you and changes her ways remaining completely faithful, the damage is done. Once that trust is broken it will never be the same again. Of course, the cause of conflict is that the cheater doesn't just want to wallow in guilt or accept that they have lost all credibility. So they don't understand why their partner doesn't just take them at face value since they are trying to walk the straight and narrow. When their partner is suspicious, to them it feels like their efforts to turn over a new leaf aren't being recognized. Eventually they convince themselves that it wasn't their fault and that their partner should be more devoted to making them happy: "as long as they stop messing up, I'll remain faithful." It is often this pretzel logic that leads them to cheat again.
 

khumak

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And there lies the crux of the issue. Even if she does go back to you and changes her ways remaining completely faithful, the damage is done. Once that trust is broken it will never be the same again. Of course, the cause of conflict is that the cheater doesn't just want to wallow in guilt or accept that they have lost all credibility. So they don't understand why their partner doesn't just take them at face value since they are trying to walk the straight and narrow. When their partner is suspicious, to them it feels like their efforts to turn over a new leaf aren't being recognized. Eventually they convince themselves that it wasn't their fault and that their partner should be more devoted to making them happy: "as long as they stop messing up, I'll remain faithful." It is often this pretzel logic that leads them to cheat again.
Yep that's why it wouldn't work for me. Trust is something that would never come back. Resentment is something that would always be there even if I actually still loved her. Now if I retaliated by fucking her sister or her best friend or her mom or something so we both had a taste of that lack of trust and resentment then I think I could come back from it but it would have to be someone she was really going to be upset about me fucking. Just giving me a free pass to fuck some random stranger wouldn't do it. Otherwise it would be like living with a roommate that you wish you could afford to kick out. Better to find someone who was actually worthy of your trust.
 
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Dragul17

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Moral dilemmas aside I think we can all agree in the cardinal rule
"Thou shalt not eats from tainted teets"
 
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OneWayMissile

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I am planning two routes, one NTR another non NTR. While I see the non-NTR one going longer in terms or story and plot development. I don't see the same in first NTR scene you mentioned.

I think I will follow the second route for the NTR path and keep the first part for game over.

Third NTR route will mess up the plot line so won't even touch that.
Im going be honest I think that you shouldnt make a non ntr path in a ntr game
 

Fliptoynk

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That would lessen his potential players. Ntr haters might still play his vn if given the chance to avoid the ntr part. Sounds like a sellout, yeah, but we can't help it if some devs need to earn some before he gets the courage to stand against some... sort of cancel culture.
 

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Sorry I'm not a player s male protagonist becouse I hate where I can't play as female protagonist. ( I Kno a get the slpfacepalm becous I hate in porn game play as male platogonist and submition fatish withou be dominant on other. I alredy see the faceplams alredy show up.) If yoe make only ale protgonis be the death in al all pth expet one. The male prtonost gonna killed in raid buy paist afte see the gire he love be reape. he diade in the end.
 
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DawnCry

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Im going be honest I think that you shouldnt make a non ntr path in a ntr game
Personally what I am against are the paths in itself.

For example I would like a game in which the "evil characters" are trying to woo the girlfriend or perhaps force her in some way and we as a player can act to stop them, but not noticing, not being able to stop it because of X reason or just plainly failing would end in NTR, while if you are successful you evade the problem.

Overall something that I do wonder about games is why they are so definite on the "your girlfriend got stolen, you lost", I believe the same way you lose her you could get her back without issue.
 
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OneWayMissile

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That would lessen his potential players. Ntr haters might still play his vn if given the chance to avoid the ntr part. Sounds like a sellout, yeah, but we can't help it if some devs need to earn some before he gets the courage to stand against some... sort of cancel culture.
Is not even cancel culture, devs just dont want to investi time on something and dont get money, there is a public to ntr of course.
I do 100% agree with your first point, if you have an ntr game just do a ntr game, dont try to appeal to people that dont like ntr by doing a non ntr path, they are not your public in the end and just make the game process slow af
 
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Hi, I am making a game that has NTR in it. My question is specifically for NTR loving people.

What is your end game in a NTR game. Most NTR games, where the guy who is stealing the girls are either abandoned or under development. I want to ask what an NTR gamer see as an end game for such games.

Is it to get as many NTR scenes possible while slowly and steadily winning your girls back in the end or having the other guy winning it all.

I have a good well thought plan about MC following the first part while keep the NTR loving part of his personality intact but when I think about the latter part, I can't seem to be able to think more content than 2-3 updates and an early game over.
NTR is a portion of content not a story in and of itself.

If you want to figure out an ending develop the story first. Figure out who the protagonist is and give them a set of goals and decide how they are going to get there. Maybe those goals change because of what happens in the game.
But always work along the line of trying to complete the story and follow the path of the goal.

You can look at how the character lets the NTR affect them. Does it change the way they deal with others and their relationship or does he take it as something more like has his/her goals change and feel the need to get the person back or seek revenge or whatever.

My best advice is to write a basic story just very simple. Then write in the NTR and think of what it is going to change. Then create that.

Lets take a simple idea a guy is dating a girl and another guy steals her away from him.
One guy might just say fuck the bitch and move on.
Another guy might let it affect how much he trusts other women so starts acting overly possessive and starts driving them off that way.
The next guy might want some form of pay back or retribution or to try and win her back or some crap.

Each of those can lead totally differently so the ending would be different based on how the character takes it.
 

Fliptoynk

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Is not even cancel culture, devs just dont want to investi time on something and dont get money, there is a public to ntr of course.
I do 100% agree with your first point, if you have an ntr game just do a ntr game, dont try to appeal to people that dont like ntr by doing a non ntr path, they are not your public in the end and just make the game process slow af
With numerous topics about ntr, and some people ranting about it, can't help if cancel culture crosses my mind. But yeah I know it's not a full blown thing like in hollywood but it's like... sort of. Some people even thinks ntr goers have a cuck fetish but let's not go there bcuz well there could be truths in there who knows.

True, there are players in every genre/tags and devs can't cater them all due to time/resource limits but I say let the devs pull it off like make a harem game, then include ntr as a penalty like if one of mc's gf finds out he's either a monkey brancher, or a simp.
 
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Steve Carter

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I do 100% agree with your first point, if you have an ntr game just do a ntr game, dont try to appeal to people that dont like ntr by doing a non ntr path, they are not your public in the end and just make the game process slow af
I actually disagree with this. I do like NTR among other things but I think that a non NTR path is important in an NTR game. The NTR should never be inevitable or it takes away from the point of having the anxiety of "will my girl get stolen?" NTR should also have a lot of buildup, where the wife or girlfriend is being slowly seduced. I also think that its necessary for the MC being cucked to have at least partial responsibility for the cucking. Sometimes that means neglecting the girl, or sometimes it is because the MC tries to get a girl to be more adventurous and it backfires.

As for endings, you basically have four possible ones. You have two where the relationship ends and two where the relationship continues. The MC could get fed up and leave the girl, the girl could get rid of the MC, they could both agree that the relationship has gotten too crazy and go back to the way things were and the cheating stops, or they stay together and the girl continues to have other relationships.

With NTR it is also inevitable that there is some amount of female domination as well, as the relationship is unbalanced and the girl has more power than the MC. How subtle or overt that is will be something a dev making an NTR game will have to decide.
 

hanpengyi

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I'm more of a corruption fan than ntr fan, technically speaking, but I find it more exciting that the female is a close related person, ie wife, gf, mom, sis etc. What I want is them to start as prude persons, and then make them become cock hungry sluts, and preferably becoming porn stars, the plot which does not exist in almost all games, because porn star plot contains corruption, exhibitionism, gangbang, interracial etc. MC can participate or not, and he can get jealous or not, but that's not my main focus
 

ChaosOpen

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I'm more of a corruption fan than ntr fan, technically speaking, but I find it more exciting that the female is a close related person, ie wife, gf, mom, sis etc. What I want is them to start as prude persons, and then make them become cock hungry sluts, and preferably becoming porn stars, the plot which does not exist in almost all games, because porn star plot contains corruption, exhibitionism, gangbang, interracial etc. MC can participate or not, and he can get jealous or not, but that's not my main focus
Well, there are no shortage of corruption novels, problem is, while NTR certainly contains corruption, NTR is in the realm of masochistic while those who enjoy corruption tend to be sadist, Anyone who tends to empathize with the character wanting to live their fantasies vicariously through them may find it uncomfortable the way NTR tries to convince your fault that your girlfriend got stolen because you're a pathetic loser who won't even voice a word of protest. This is done mostly by centering on the MC with the wife given very little attention beyond her role to make sure you know that the MC is the only one not allowed to have fun in this plot.
 
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