VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[TheLecher]

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[Knight_of_the_lance]

Yes, Ashe hid some things from Rachel, but only those that were too personal for her could make her feel shame or ruin her relationship with her sister. But here there is no such thing. And yes, Ashe literally said that it is normal for sisters to share secrets with each other. This is precisely the logical conclusion with which she justified Fiona’s action for herself. She didn't find it unacceptable or a betrayal.

Why does the burden of proof suddenly fall on Delilah? There's nothing there to indicate she was lying. It is you who needs to prove that she was lying, given that she initially did not know that Fiona knew the secret, which means that by telling Ashe that she knows everything, she could expose herself as a blackmailer, which is a rather stupid act for someone who was able to organize blackmail. And she doesn’t look like a red herring either, since she should at least look like a blackmailer, but nothing indicates this at all. Your speculation about lies is based only on subjective feelings. Don't impose your subjective feelings on me, give me logical arguments.

I specifically left out the talk about blackmail since I know your opinion on the subject and it is not the point I want to make here. Even if she is not the blackmailer, her behavior is a bit sus when she tels Ashe that she knows the secret through Fiona. And here the dilemma is between the trust in Fiona and Delilah frankness. If Delilah is telling the truth about the source of her knowledge it makes Fiona an unreliable friend. If Del is lying then Fiona knows which secret to keep. Also Delilah could be lying simply because she is embarrassed to admit that she spied on her and Zoey. It does not have to go farther than that. the lie itself is not a prove that she is the blackmailer. That is not the point of this specific argument. It is simply a trail that must be followed.

If during a private discutions with my cousin he comes out to me as Bi I wont go to my brothers to tel them right after he told me. I would feel privileged to be someone he shared his secret with. I would keep his secret until I knew he made it public since it is his decision to make, not mine. I would want to be worthy of his trust. I would feel that telling my brothers would be a breach of his trust.

The burden of proof falling on Del comes from her body language when she told Ashe that it was Fiona that told her right after Ashe mentioned Fiona among others that know her secret. I also trust Fiona to keep Ashe's secret even from her sister. And that burden is for the players who don't believe her not for Ashe since Ashe believed her in the end. The hard evidence you want, I don't have it. For me it is not necessary to come to the conclusion that there are strong chances that she is lying. For you, like you pointed out, you need harder evidences.

At the end I talked about red herring, a trail that you do not see Delilah leading us on. That is ok, but if others think that she is a red herring or the culprit then she is at least a red herring since she is leading readers, not all readers, to believe that she is the blackmailer. Not all readers will take the bait, maybe you didn't, too soon to tell. The fact that others, not you, make her their prime suspect regardless if she is guilty of blackmail or not by definition makes her a red herring. Arguing that she is not is like arguing about other people's preference, it is a fact you can't change simply with your opinion. IF you want you could call everyone's suspect a red herring.

Look here I am trying to find common ground, I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong since the hard evidence you speak of does not exist yet. I am trying to find facts we can agree on not ones we disagree on.

I would rather do a silly tier list than argue on the internet, but I think that finding that common ground is important to build something positive on it rather than be at odds on everything.

 

[Dessolos]

If during a private discutions with my cousin he comes out to me as Bi I wont go to my brothers to tel them right after he told me. I would feel privileged to be someone he shared his secret with. I would keep his secret until I knew he made it public since it is his decision to make, not mine. I would want to be worthy of his trust. I would feel that telling my brothers would be a breach of his trust.

The burden of proof falling on Del comes from her body language when she told Ashe that it was Fiona that told her right after Ashe mentioned Fiona among others that know her secret. I also trust Fiona to keep Ashe's secret even from her sister. And that burden is for the players who don't believe her not for Ashe since Ashe believed her in the end. The hard evidence you want, I don't have it.

100% this if im wrong and she didn't lie Fiona will be worst than anything Vanessa or Rachael has did in my eyes. I think being untrustworthy is worst than doing something as fucked up as Vanessa did especially when it's a major secret not something small. Especially that would mean just cant keep a secret for more than a day lol. But honestly I don't buy for a moment Ashe believed Del that and personally think it would be out of character for Fiona to tell her sister Ashe's secret. Unless I miss remember the order of scenes here I think Ashe is waiting to ask Fiona in person if she did tell her sister or not. Even if Ashe did believe Del and was okay with it being shared. I think it would make sense she would want to hear it from Fiona. Either way I think we will find out if she lied or not in the next update

 

[Kontralta]

I specifically left out the talk about blackmail since I know your opinion on the subject and it is not the point I want to make here. Even if she is not the blackmailer, her behavior is a bit sus when she tels Ashe that she knows the secret through Fiona. And here the dilemma is between the trust in Fiona and Delilah frankness. If Delilah is telling the truth about the source of her knowledge it makes Fiona an unreliable friend. If Del is lying then Fiona knows which secret to keep. Also Delilah could be lying simply because she is embarrassed to admit that she spied on her and Zoey. It does not have to go farther than that. the lie itself is not a prove that she is the blackmailer. That is not the point of this specific argument. It is simply a trail that must be followed.

If during a private discutions with my cousin he comes out to me as Bi I wont go to my brothers to tel them right after he told me. I would feel privileged to be someone he shared his secret with. I would keep his secret until I knew he made it public since it is his decision to make, not mine. I would want to be worthy of his trust. I would feel that telling my brothers would be a breach of his trust.

The burden of proof falling on Del comes from her body language when she told Ashe that it was Fiona that told her right after Ashe mentioned Fiona among others that know her secret. I also trust Fiona to keep Ashe's secret even from her sister. And that burden is for the players who don't believe her not for Ashe since Ashe believed her in the end. The hard evidence you want, I don't have it. For me it is not necessary to come to the conclusion that there are strong chances that she is lying. For you, like you pointed out, you need harder evidences.

At the end I talked about red herring, a trail that you do not see Delilah leading us on. That is ok, but if others think that she is a red herring or the culprit then she is at least a red herring since she is leading readers, not all readers, to believe that she is the blackmailer. Not all readers will take the bait, maybe you didn't, too soon to tell. The fact that others, not you, make her their prime suspect regardless if she is guilty of blackmail or not by definition makes her a red herring. Arguing that she is not is like arguing about other people's preference, it is a fact you can't change simply with your opinion. IF you want you could call everyone's suspect a red herring.

Look here I am trying to find common ground, I am not trying to tell you that you are wrong since the hard evidence you speak of does not exist yet. I am trying to find facts we can agree on not ones we disagree on.

I would rather do a silly tier list than argue on the internet, but I think that finding that common ground is important to build something positive on it rather than be at odds on everything.

First, Ashe doesn't consider Fiona to be an unreliable friend for telling Delilah everything. She thinks this is normal. The fact that you don't think it's normal doesn't matter.
Secondly, body language, seriously? Are you Dr. Lightman? How do you detect lies from body language? For a static 3d model?
Thirdly, I have no idea why Delilah seems to everyone either a real blackmailer or a red herring, there is nothing to indicate this at all.
Fourth, it's good that you acknowledge the lack of evidence and just want to find common ground. But there are people who believe that the fact that Delilah is a blackmailer is obvious to everyone, and I’m just blind or stupid, and they don’t give any argument, because why, everything is obvious. It's stupid.

 

[Hungover00]

100% this if im wrong and she didn't lie Fiona will be worst than anything Vanessa or Rachael has did in my eyes. I think being untrustworthy is worst than doing something as fucked up as Vanessa did especially when it's a major secret not something small. Especially that would mean just cant keep a secret for more than a day lol. But honestly I don't buy for a moment Ashe believed Del that and personally think it would be out of character for Fiona to tell her sister Ashe's secret. Unless I miss remember the order of scenes here I think Ashe is waiting to ask Fiona in person if she did tell her sister or not. Even if Ashe did believe Del and was okay with it being shared. I think it would make sense she would want to hear it from Fiona. Either way I think we will find out if she lied or not in the next update

Just watch out about feeding the troll Kontralta, they are here just to be a contrarian, people show evidence, they ignore it and claim no one has given any evidence re: sus Delilah. It's been going on for over a week now. They don't bring anything new, refuse to see other's perspectives, and are incredibly flawed as a debater.

 

[ElmerFapp]

Just to add my 2 cents, I think the blackmailer is Delilah. She told Ashe she found out from Fiona because Ashe herself said that Fiona was supposed to be the only one that knew. So naturally Delilah's only route after her slip is to just say she found out from Fiona.

 

[Birdnman993]

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I really like the appearance of the two traffickers, I would like Ashe to be able to pay them with sex on occasion.

 

[Kontralta]

Just to add my 2 cents, I think the blackmailer is Delilah. She told Ashe she found out from Fiona because Ashe herself said that Fiona was supposed to be the only one that knew. So naturally Delilah's only route after her slip is to just say she found out from Fiona.

Just answer the question - why did Delilah tell Ashe that she knew her secret BEFORE Ashe mentioned Fiona?

 

[Dessolos]

Just to add my 2 cents, I think the blackmailer is Delilah. She told Ashe she found out from Fiona because Ashe herself said that Fiona was supposed to be the only one that knew. So naturally Delilah's only route after her slip is to just say she found out from Fiona.

I don't really think Delilah is the blackmailer cause the way the blackmailer is blackmailing Ashe. As I don't think Delilah would want to hurt Ashe in any way , like reveal her secret unless she never intends to follow through and just wants some nudes. Otherwise I can't see why she would blackmail Ashe. Still makes me wonder how she found how she found about Ashe's secret as it's clear to me she is lying because of how she hesitated and came up with a reason on the spot.

One of my theories is this. She isn't the blackmailer but the blackmailer lied to Ashe and told Delilah for some reason and she came up with the lie Fiona did cause it would be better Fiona knew her secret instead of a stranger. Since Delilah had no idea about the blackmail or someone else knows.

 

[Kontralta]

it's clear to me she is lying

How did you find out?

 

[Hungover00]

I don't really think Delilah is the blackmailer cause the way the blackmailer is blackmailing Ashe. As I don't think Delilah would want to hurt Ashe in any way , like reveal her secret unless she never intends to follow through and just wants some nudes. Otherwise I can't see why she would blackmail Ashe. Still makes me wonder how she found how she found about Ashe's secret as it's clear to me she is lying because of how she hesitated and came up with a reason on the spot.

One of my theories is this. She isn't the blackmailer but the blackmailer lied to Ashe and told Delilah for some reason and she came up with the lie Fiona did cause it would be better Fiona knew her secret instead of a stranger. Since Delilah had no idea about the blackmail or someone else knows.

'Never intends to follow through and just wants some nudes' does kinda describe the blackmail so far. The blackmailer didn't even say anything like 'I'll accept these pics today, but you know that's not going to be good enough in the future.' They just stopped messaging for ~2-3 days (iirc).

I'm still not sure if Delilah is the blackmailer, but from what info we have, she's the main suspect until more evidence comes in. I do kind of think and hope she'll be vindicated, but will be caught out in some lesser lies. And a lot of people could still be the blackmailer, but there's not enough evidence for a convincing 2nd place.

 

[Dessolos]

How did you find out?

Look I already know you aren't going to accept any answer I give and probably a troll at this point but i'll bite and feed you one more time incase you aren't. Since it's clear to me you can't let me have my own opinion. Sure there is always a chance im wrong but if you read my post you would know why I think so. But I'll just copy paste why I think so , and yes there is no hard evidence. The way the scene played out clearly points me in the direction in having the opinion she is lying.

From my post "She hesitated and came up with a reason on the spot". Someone who isn't lying isn't going to hesitate unless she is hiding something and unless she is the blackmailer why would she hesitate. I don't think she is the blackmailer so it's clear to me personally she is lying. So logically I came to the conclusion she is lying because of her hesitation.

If Fiona really did tell her there would be no reason to hesitate once Ashe called her out for lying for saying she is different. According to Delilah Fiona told her not to say a word. Yet that makes no sense to me at all why would she even bring up she is different in a conversation if she isn't suppose to say a word about it because she promised Fiona. So even if she isn't lying which I do not believe she is full of red flags.

 

[Dessolos]

'Never intends to follow through and just wants some nudes' does kinda describe the blackmail so far. The blackmailer didn't even say anything like 'I'll accept these pics today, but you know that's not going to be good enough in the future.' They just stopped messaging for ~2-3 days (iirc).

I'm still not sure if Delilah is the blackmailer, but from what info we have, she's the main suspect until more evidence comes in. I do kind of think and hope she'll be vindicated, but will be caught out in some lesser lies. And a lot of people could still be the blackmailer, but there's not enough evidence for a convincing 2nd place.

yeah the only other person that makes sense to me is Jessica. However I don't know how she would of found out in such short of a time period. The timeframe doesn't fit as I doubt she found out and started to blackmail her within what was it 1 - 2 days.

 

[IvanGam]

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Added those to the template, thank you. Personally won't be rating them, but if someone wants to, they're there now.

 

[Hungover00]

Look I already know you aren't going to accept any answer I give. Since it's clear to me you can't let me have my own opinion. Sure there is always a chance im wrong but if you read my post you would know why I think so. But I'll just copy paste why I think so , and yes there is no hard evidence. The way the scene played out clearly points me in the direction in having the opinion she is lying.

From my post "She hesitated and came up with a reason on the spot". Someone who isn't lying isn't going to hesitate unless she is hiding something and unless she is the blackmailer why would she hesitate. I don't think she is the blackmailer so it's clear to me personally she is lying. So logically I came to the conclusion she is lying because of her hesitation.

If Fiona really did tell her there would be no reason to hesitate once Ashe called her out for lying for saying she is different. According to Delilah Fiona told her not to say a word. Yet that makes no sense to me at all why would she even bring up she is different in a conversation if she isn't suppose to say a word about it because she promised Fiona. So even if she isn't lying which I do not believe she is full of red flags.

I think if we just straight up never respond to it (I don't think Trolls have genders) their head may implode and peace will be realised.

Despite what may be said, it's usually actually easier to read emotions in non-film visual mediums, because they are often less subtle/more exaggerated than they would be in real life. So anyone that can do it normally will absolutely catch it when it's in these mediums, if they pay attention.

You've pointed out these moments that have telegraphed that Delilah is hiding something.

 

[ElmerFapp]

The fact this conversation is even happening should speak volumes to how well the writings been handled so far. Time will tell what ends up being the truth if we ever learn the truth. If I was Ashe I'd for sure have a question for Fiona lol. She just doesn't seem to be someone that would go behind Ashe's back especially after knowing/seeing how much she cared about keeping it a secret.

 

[Kontralta]

Look I already know you aren't going to accept any answer I give and probably a troll at this point but i'll bite and feed you one more time incase you aren't. Since it's clear to me you can't let me have my own opinion. Sure there is always a chance im wrong but if you read my post you would know why I think so. But I'll just copy paste why I think so , and yes there is no hard evidence. The way the scene played out clearly points me in the direction in having the opinion she is lying.

From my post "She hesitated and came up with a reason on the spot". Someone who isn't lying isn't going to hesitate unless she is hiding something and unless she is the blackmailer why would she hesitate. I don't think she is the blackmailer so it's clear to me personally she is lying. So logically I came to the conclusion she is lying because of her hesitation.

If Fiona really did tell her there would be no reason to hesitate once Ashe called her out for lying for saying she is different. According to Delilah Fiona told her not to say a word. Yet that makes no sense to me at all why would she even bring up she is different in a conversation if she isn't suppose to say a word about it because she promised Fiona. So even if she isn't lying which I do not believe she is full of red flags.

Goddess, Delilah hesitated because she was afraid of Ashe's reaction, who almost started yelling at her! Purely logically, she couldn’t lie, otherwise it would mean that she didn’t have an answer to how she knew Ashe’s secret, which means she wouldn’t said that she knew it. Yes, she mentioned that Ash was different, but that was out of excitement and because she was trying to tell Ash that she wanted to get closer to her.
No, I let you have your opinion, calm down. But please make your opinion logical.

 

[Kontralta]

The fact this conversation is even happening should speak volumes to how well the writings been handled so far. Time will tell what ends up being the truth if we ever learn the truth. If I was Ashe I'd for sure have a question for Fiona lol. She just doesn't seem to be someone that would go behind Ashe's back especially after knowing/seeing how much she cared about keeping it a secret.

Fiona doesn't go behind Ashe's back, she only told her sister and Ash thinks it's normal.

 

[Axel34]

I'm more interested not in who the blackmailer is (IMO, there is no option that satisfies the majority of players), but in how big the role she playes in the plot.
Will blackmailer be the main antagonist and the main "engine of the story" because of which Ashe, and maybe some of her friends, will dig themselves deeper into web of criminality and controversy? Will blackmail take up almost all of Ashe's attention and determine her behavior?
OR is blackmailer just a pervert who wants to satisfy her manipulative tendencies? And the blackmail will take place on the periphery of the plot, will complement it but not define it?
Anyway, in any case, blackmail in itself is a fetish and a good ingredient for corruption and non-typical character behavior for spicy pornography.
This story is so masterfully engaging! I love every part of it!

 

[MagicMan753]

I don't even no why most of you are replying to this dumb troll. Do I think Deliah is the blackmailer? NO. But to say there is no evidence or red herrings is dumb and so is this guy, who, I already put on the ignore list just now, because this guy can't be reasoned with, and will take everything at face value. If you tell them that aliens and zombies will strike in a week, this dude will believe it and go start preparing, Or better yet tell him you slept with his mom, he will cry and go ask her why did she do that, because he doesn't have the brain cells to think logically. So my advice people is just ignore this dude, because it is the easiest method.