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She is on my S tier along with Vanessa. unlike others I don't see what she did has a betrayal or anything. Both her and Ashe are at fault. I'm not even sure who I put more blame on tbh for the whole situation. Cause I think Rachael is more at fault when she came home but before that I think Ashe is more at fault. So maybe equal blame idk. As well I think Rachael is just an overall good character with a pretty good backstory and someone Ashe needs in her life. She is probably one of the rare sister characters I would actually sleep with most I ignore / skip their path.
Like what?
And you all literally ignored that she told Ashe that she knew her secret, which she wouldn't have done if Fiona hadn't told her.
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You don't know Fiona told her like I don't know Fiona didn't tell her, there is no proof either way yet until Ashe talks to her about it. But in my opinion I doubt Fiona did as it would be out of character for her as she is portrayed as a really good friend. I don't think it would of been slip of the tongue unless she was drunk either. Not to mention the way Delilah said Fiona told her it felt like she fumbled and just came up with a lie on the spot not something that was the truth or anything she put thought into. I do admit it is a bit weird why she would say it like that out of no where to Ashe and didn't think of something better to say lie or no lie as she should know she would ask how she found out. Which makes the way she hesitated what to say at first feel more like a lie to me.
If Fiona didn't tell her, how did Delilah know? If in some other way she decided to hide it by setting up a blackmailer, then why did she reveal that she knew the secret without thinking of another way in advance to lie? She had no plan to justify herself. Even you admit it's weird. But for some reason a lot of people here ignore it.
And yes, it was quite normal for Ashe that Fiona told her sister everything, because Ashe and Rachel share everything with each other too. I don't understand why this is impossible for you.
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I mean we just don't know one way or another yet I just have a hard time believing Fiona said anything. Sure they might tell each other alot of things cause they are siblings but who says they tell each other everything 100% of the time. I mean Ashe wasn't even going to tell Rachael about the blackmail until she knew something was wrong.
But why I find it hard to believe she did on purpose. Simply because it is a big secret and Fiona knows how hard that secret was to even tell her since she didn't say a word for 6 years. Since Fiona comes across as a really good friend I think it be out of character to say a word and Fiona didn't seem freaked out by the secret or anything that she would let it slip. Not sure if Fiona was joking but seemed like Fiona does want to keep Delilah away from Ashe as she knows how crazy she is for her. So If you believe Fiona wasn't joking about that I doubt she would spill the secret cause of that to. With all that said yeah it's possible i'm wrong but there is no proof that Fiona did unless you believe what Delilah said, but like I said in my last reply I don't believe what Delilah said as it feels more like a lie. To be honest the entire situation is weird without enough proof or info as everything we have at this point is more of our own interpretation.
Neither you or me are wrong in our opposite opinion on this until there is some hard evidence or proof one way or another and yes I don't think what Delilah said is good enough proof unless you believe her which I don't.
Why does this suddenly have to be a lie? Firstly, Fiona could have told it by accident, this is quite in her character. Secondly, she and Delilah don't see anything wrong with Ashe being a duplo, so why not tell? If Delilah did not find out from Fiona, then there are two options - either she is a blackmailer, and then she should not tell that she knows the secret, not knowing what to lie about, or she is not a blackmailer, and then there is no point in lying to her, that Fiona told her about this. What happens in the game contradicts these options, but there cannot be others.
I'm not saying I have proof. I have arguments based on logic. But you just say "I don't believe Fiona told her" and "that sounds like a lie." These are not logical arguments, these are subjective feelings.
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like I said in my first post I don't think it would be in character at all for her just to say to Delilah hey Ashe is a duplo unless she was drunk or something even if neither of them would have a problem with that. Because of their friendship that feels very out of character to me especially knowing how long it took Ashe just to tell her and how emotional she was just telling her. Not just that that would be a break of trust and up to Ashe to tell not Fiona it isn't her secret to share. If Fiona did just straight up tell her that would be enough for me to consider what Fiona did worst than what Rachel did maybe worst than Vanessa during the dinner as well. Since that would be a breach of trust and to me that's much worst than anything anyone else has done other the the rapey cop so far to me. So I have a hard time believing she would purposely break trust sure could of been an accident. I don't think it would of slipped out on accident if she was sober , unless it was something stupid like Delilah walking in on Fiona watching duplo porn and hearing her say Ashe's name.
Yeah neither of us have proof one way or another. Yeah me thinking it's a lie is subjective but it wasn't entirely because of feelings sure some part of it was but mostly it was because the way it happened. The scene comes across as a lie to me. If Delilah didn't fumble / hesitate I'd have a easier time believing her even if I still think it's very much out of character for Fiona.
I do agree it doesn't make sense for her to be the blackmailer and fumble like this. I just can't over look the way she fumbled and hesitated before saying Fiona told her as anything but a lie simple as that. I think there is another explanation that we just don't know about or over looked.
This is just something we won't agree with each other one our opinions are too different on this.
You didn't say anything new. So I'll have to repeat it. Ashe took it as normal what Fiona told her sister; for her it was not a betrayal.
Why you are talking about proof? I talked about arguments. I have arguments. And you only have feelings.
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even if Ashe doesn't take it as a betrayal doesn't mean some of the players won't. Which I don't believe she was entirely okay with she seemed shocked to me and just holding it in to me. Might be okay enough that it isn't a betrayal or something but might be upset by it. We will see in the next update. I mean I don't disagree with any of your arguments because there is no proof on way or another yet. But I don't think my opinion is invalid just because it's more feeling based. Like I said this is just something neither of us will agree on and leave it at that.
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Who cares what the players think? They don't affect the plot.
An arguments based only on feeling is invalid. Arguments must be based on logic and facts. Don't impose your subjective feelings on me.
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i'm not trying to all I was was stating my opinion just like you were to me with your opinion. Difference is your opinion was more argument base. You just don't like or value my opinion which is fine. But I don't think Arguments based on logic and facts or feeling are invalid at all until there is proof saying otherwise everything is valid to me I see no reason to dismiss another's opinion disagree yes but not dismiss them as being invalid.. As alot of things in AVN's I find are based on personal interpretations which is what makes the AVN space so great everyone see things differently until there is something that says otherwise.
I don't dismiss other people's opinions. I dismiss other people's subjective feelings that cause you and others to go against the facts. And some of you, not you personally, literally say that everything is obvious to them, and I am blind because I do not follow their subjective feelings. This is ridiculous.
What a brutal misrepresentation of what was discussed.
You are blind if you can't see how the game was hinting that Delilah was the blackmailer. Doesn't mean I or anyone else thinks she is, just that we can plainly see that that's what's being hinted through the narrative. That's not a subjective feeling, that's an objective inference based on the facts presented to us. Facts which you are viewing through a subjective lens under the skewed position that it can't be Delilah because apparently you fetishize the apparent intellect of an obviously socially inept blackmailer.
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Except Rachel and Ashe don't share everything. Prior to the bus scene there is at least one instance where Ashe purposely withhold information from Rachel. It happens either at the pool this update or the prior one when they meet up near the stream. I don't have time right now to go do a playthrough again to clip the quotes. but those instances do happen. Whether Ashe is only refraining from oversharing or not is dependent on the player's interpretation. So when later after the bus scene when Ashe is in her thoughts and is saying to herself that it is normal for close sisters to share everything, to me, it comes out as rationalisation rather than sound and logical reasoning.
I don't personally share everything with my brothers either.
This point does not prove that Del lied when she told Ashe that Fiona told her right after Ashe told her that Fiona was the only person outside of her family to know her secret. Let's just say that the burden of proof falls on her to prove she did not lie rather than on us to prove she did with the circumstances being against her.
To put it in legal terms, we can't prove "Beyond reasonable doubt" that Del lied but it sure looks like it. what I think is happening is that we can all agree on the facts presented to us, the interpretation we make of those events varies. What also varies is the degree of proof for pointing a finger at a particular character we each require.
A red herring is a plot device that push the reader to point their finger at a particular character while the proof for the real culprit is already there. A good red herring would make the player point their finger at Del while Siri is the culprit for example. The thing is this story device is not always used. So right now we have suspects but no culprit and we are still looking through the story for who might be the culprit.
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You should have included all of the characters. Morrigan Rae has already stated that, if all goes according to plan, every named character in the game will have at least one lewd scene. So side characters with names will have future relevancy, though how much is in question.
That criticism aside, you did a pretty cool thing there. Nice job.
I decided to participate, so my list is spoilered below. I added in the characters you left out, including two characters who were not named - the bartender from the beach and the shop assistant. Morrigan Rae has stated that the bartender will be back, later in the story. As for the shop assistant, we have no such assurance, but I decided to include her, just because I have a hunch that she'll be back.
Unfortunately, the characters I added couldn't be saved to your list, so others will either have to add them in for themselves or use the characters you saw fit to include.
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I don't know if the "every named character gets a lewd scene" rule would apply to Jane or the Other One, since they're characters with no real existence in the game world, but I included them on the off chance that they might feature in some dream and/or flashback action, at some point.
Yes, Ashe hid some things from Rachel, but only those that were too personal for her could make her feel shame or ruin her relationship with her sister. But here there is no such thing. And yes, Ashe literally said that it is normal for sisters to share secrets with each other. This is precisely the logical conclusion with which she justified Fiona’s action for herself. She didn't find it unacceptable or a betrayal.
Why does the burden of proof suddenly fall on Delilah? There's nothing there to indicate she was lying. It is you who needs to prove that she was lying, given that she initially did not know that Fiona knew the secret, which means that by telling Ashe that she knows everything, she could expose herself as a blackmailer, which is a rather stupid act for someone who was able to organize blackmail. And she doesn’t look like a red herring either, since she should at least look like a blackmailer, but nothing indicates this at all. Your speculation about lies is based only on subjective feelings. Don't impose your subjective feelings on me, give me logical arguments.