VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[Orphanus]

Natasha never forced Ashe to do anything dirty. Even when she found drugs. Natasha took advantage of the situation, yes, but it only happened if Ashe agreed to it herself, because there was always the option to refuse.
This is not about opinion, but about the fact that you call things incorrectly.

She shoves her dick in Ashe's face practically, even if told off initially. She makes advances on Ashe whenever they are in situations that are threatening to Ashe and where she will likely not be able to freely voice her will & then on top of that even could be seen as a subtle form of blackmail from Ashe's perspective, as she literally can not know for sure what will happen if she refuses.
That is extremely shady at best and would get the Officer into serious legal trouble in a lot of places + also cost her her job.

Just imagine if a person who's best interest you have at heart (and that is working as a cop) came to you, telling you they've run into this girl during their job. The girl is barely an adult and that person suspects they are taking or maybe even selling drugs. They proceed to tell you how they wanna fuck that potential, very young, suspect and already tried to molest her. The girl practically ran away after that. Next the Officer tells you about their intention to see if they maybe run into that girl somewhere, the gym perhaps, and if they do they gonna walk up to her, present their dick and demand the girl touches it. Would you actually say "that's a good idea and definitely won't get you into trouble & it's certainly not questionable independent from that issue to begin with!"?
Like, really? I have a hard time believing that.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Nope, because most of the planet homie know what rape is, but you don't.

Sexual coercion is a crime in and of itself and has tied into rape cases and has been a recognized aspect of disputing rape culpability in the United States, Germany and Russia since the 90s

So try again.

 

[Lord Kentus]

Like, really? I have a hard time to believing that.

It's called sexual coercion and is very much illegal and should be reported if encountered.

 

[Dessolos]

lmfao the troll is at it again saying how rape cop isn't rape cop because she has yet to rape Ashe. He just can't let it go that others view her as such because she gives off a rapey vibe. This is probably the 3rd or 4th time he has derailed the thread because he can't let it go and let others have a different opinion.

 

[Orphanus]

It's called sexual coercion and is very much illegal and should be reported if encountered.

It would be an ex officio crime where I live, yeah. And that aside it also just seems so obviously not something anyone should do, like, would anyone seriously encourage a friend to do what Officer Shaw does were they told about it in advance?

 

[ItsNotUs]

Sexual coercion is a crime in and of itself and has tied into rape cases and has been a recognized aspect of disputing rape culpability in the United States, Germany and Russia since the 90s

So try again.

The world has gone crazy and everyone has become such sissies! xdd

Natasha is definitely harassing Ash, but she doesn't rape her!

This reminded me of an absurd situation when one woman declared against a famous director that he raped her 20 years ago! He was found guilty because of people like you!

One smart woman said - "you should like that men pester you"!

 

[Kontralta]

She shoves her dick in Ashe's face practically, even if told off initially. She makes advances on Ashe whenever they are in situations that are threatening to Ashe and where she will likely not be able to freely voice her will & then on top of that even could be seen as a subtle form of blackmail from Ashe's perspective, as she literally can not know for sure what will happen if she refuses.
That is extremely shady at best and would get the Officer into serious legal trouble in a lot of places + also cost her her job.

Just imagine if a person who's best interest you have at heart (and that is working as a cop) came to you, telling you they've run into this girl during their job. The girl is barely an adult and that person suspects they are taking or maybe even selling drugs. They proceed to tell you how they wanna fuck that potential, very young, suspect and already tried to molest her. The girl practically ran away after that. Next the Officer tells you about their intention to see if they maybe run into that girl somewhere, the gym perhaps, and if they do they gonna walk up to her, present their dick and demand the girl touches it. Would you actually say "that's a good idea and definitely won't get you into trouble & it's certainly not questionable independent from that issue to begin with!"?
Like, really? I have a hard time believing that.

Natasha didn't shoves or threaten anything, she only offered, and Ashe could either refuse or agree. This would be considered harassment at most, but it's not coercion and certainly not rape. And with drugs, Ashe is lucky that Natasha wants to fuck her and therefore didn't bring her and Rachel to a prison cell.

 

[Kontralta]

It's called sexual coercion and is very much illegal and should be reported if encountered.

Yeah. And there was no coercion from Natasha in the game.

 

[Orphanus]

Natasha didn't shoves or threaten anything, she only offered, and Ash could either refuse or agree. This would be considered harassment at most, but it's not coercion and certainly not rape. And with drugs, Ash is lucky that Natasha wants to fuck her and therefore didn't bring her and Rachel to a prison cell.

She does all that even if told off, which completely invalidates the point about Ashe secretly wanting it, which in and off itself is already a far stretch. She maybe turned on because she has a submissive streak, but the situations Shaw approaches her are all situations where she can't react freely or at least doesn't know if she can do that. The lack of a clear "no" is not a form of consent by any means, all those situations show is that Ashe struggles to fight back against the Officer and also is a sub (if those options are picked).

And the latter part isn't something that unilaterally applies, that is your personal feeling on such matters.

 

[Kontralta]

She does all that even if told off, which completely invalidates the point about Ashe secretly wanting it, which in and off itself is already a far stretch. She maybe turned on because she has a submissive streak, but the situations Shaw approaches her are all situations where she can't react freely or at least doesn't know if she can do that.

And the latter part isn't something that unilaterally applies, that is your personal feeling on such matters.

No. Ashe can always refuse her, and in these cases Natasha stops.

I didn't understand the last part.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

This again? Do we really need to bring a dictionary here?

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Natasha literally groped Ashe's ass and pussy against her will under the guise of a drug search.

Being able to fight back does not change the nature of Natasha's act.

Seriously this cop is more dangerous than whoever is the amateur blackmail.

 

[pitao]

It's just my impression or this Ashe/Natasha discussion is going in circles and almost nothing comes out of it besides two opposite views that will never agree? Well besides the fact that they disagree well it is fun to read as long people keep it polite.

 

[Dessolos]

It's just my impression or this Ashe/Natasha discussion is going in circles and almost nothing comes out of it besides two opposite views that will never agree? well it is fun to read as long people keep it polite.

problem is he argues it anytime someone calls her rape cop and this conversation is repeated over and over. I dont mind it with other people , that have a polite conversation but when the same person bring it up every single time because he doesn't like it how people call her rape cop it gets old and annoying.

Personally I consider her rape cop mostly because she gives off that vibe and her actions don't help to paint her in a better light.

 

[pitao]

problem is he argues it anytime someone calls her rape cop and this conversation is repeated over and over. I dont mind it with other people , that have a polite conversation but when the same person bring it up every single time because he doesn't like it how people call her rape cop it gets old and annoying.

Personally I consider her rape cop mostly because she gives off that vibe and her actions don't help to paint her in a better light.

Yes my opinion is the same than yours, even though we don't see her rape (yet, and on what we see, no idea what is behind the scenes or in the past), her behavior is completely of a rapist. I completely avoid her path because I usually prefer to be a neutral/switcher but if I have to chose between dominant/submissive I always choose dominant.

 

[Udayana]

Still rape according to most of the planet homie.

You're done. Kontralta knows everything.

 

[Orphanus]

No. Ashe can always refuse her, and in these cases Natasha stops.

I didn't understand the last part.

Some of what she does is already a legal offense even if she stops afterwards. Also I did never say what she did so far was rape, I'm calling her a rapist cause I have more reasons to assume she is one than not. What i was saying is that I am worried there might be unavoidable sex scenes with the Officer on the submissive path. On top of that I am saying that the interactions with her play out in a way that makes it so Ashe's consent would always be dubious at best, there is 0 chemistry between her and the Officer & a traumatized person such as her fantasizing about the Officer in the ways she does and in the context of their interactions doesn't mean much. Ashe shows mostly just apprehension towards Natasha.
And on the topic of harassment: repeatedly harassing a barely adult suspect until the latter goes along with servicing the offender in a sexual way (or even just as a private cleaning lady) would likely be considered a form of blackmail - and certainly an abuse of power - by most courts, as, again, those scenes happen anyway, even if the officer is refused on every interaction. Yes they don't play out the exact same but it's not as if the Officer backs off after the first rejection.

The maid job offer is only something positive from your subjective point of view. It's both shady in regards to legality and morality.

Edit: Also, on a personal note, I am not saying that it's a bad thing Officer Shaw is like that per say, as this is a porn game and I'm happy for anyone who enjoys her type of content. What I am arguing against is that it's a given for anyone wanting to play as a submissive Ashe to be fine with having (potentially) unavoidable sex scenes with Shaw. Her content isn't about submission but about strong rapey vibes and abuse of power. It should be optional even on the submissive path, that's all I'm saying. If it ends up being like that it would be really cool, if not that's sad, but oh well. There is no reason though to reframe the Officer's actions, they are quite shady and the consent from Ashe is at best quite dubious.
And that's it from my end, I didn't realize that the same discussion popped up so many times already, which is on me, not on you, of course, but I won't further debate this with you since it seems rather redundant.

 

[Dr. Mick]

This again? Do we really need to bring a dictionary here?

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Natasha literally groped Ashe's ass and pussy against her will under the guise of a drug search.

Being able to fight back does not change the nature of Natasha's act.

Seriously this cop is more dangerous than whoever is the amateur blackmail.

Exactly.

Natasha sexually molested Ashe in their very first encounter. Something shown in pictures that have already been posted by the person arguing in Natasha's favor.
The entire issue of rape can be taken right out of the discussion, and Natasha would still be an awful person.

The other actions she takes just add onto the already established exploitation of the power dynamic that Natasha abuses.
That alone is enough to see that she is dangerous, and at the very least should not be allowed to be a cop.

 

[Birdnman993]

If they gave MorriganRae a dollar for every time they brought up the subject of Natasha and rape, she would have already financed the entire game.

I guess inevitably every group in every game has its respective repetitive theme, like with ORS and the repetitive theme of being a cuck.

 

[Hungover00]

If they gave MorriganRae a dollar for every time they brought up the subject of Natasha and rape, she would have already financed the entire game.

I guess inevitably every group in every game has its respective repetitive theme, like with ORS and the repetitive theme of being a cuck.

Still aiming for the holy throuple in that one. Not a cuck fan myself, but tried an everyone cheating playthrough (-ex-bf, because he's an abusive ass) and there definitely felt like there was more content.

I usually can only stomach those paths (like the cuckquean path here) after I've done runs closer to my norm. After a bit it can be like an alternative reality timeline.

 

[Rexermus]

Holy shit the constant derailment of this thread over Natasha is so fucking annoying. Natasha is a sexual predator & creep full stop, if you're okay with that than whatever but stop trying to act like she isn't. Can we please fucking never open this conversation again?