Hungover00

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Who is "many" here? You literally jumped in with a strawman at the start and upon me pointing that out, seem to be on the same wavelength afterwards.
I still don't think I invented a strawman, but I also wasn't going to argue it to death. I haven't gone back and counted how many times over the last few pages you've told someone they misunderstood you, but I'm pretty sure the number is over 4. I know, personally, sometimes I thought I was being perfectly clear, but people have thought I was saying something completely different. Just offering a moment of self-reflection. Can't make you take it, nor tell you what will come from it.
 

Saculgn

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See, I agree that Ashe and Zoey's first time is considered a fling, because it is. But no other relationship would have had that tenor. It either would have been more serious, or would have been tragic (or fucked up, or otherwise tainted). I could see Fiona and Ashe's relationship surviving them being Ashe's first hookup, but only after a lot of turmoil and hand-wringing. No one else that had an emotional bond with Ashe would have been better. You could swap in the drug dealer chick fine, but then it's just another random to get Ashe past being a virgin. Fiona, Rachel, Delilah, Mom, Kate, even any of the girls at the sorority would have been more emotionally charged and plot disruptive choices. The only way to avoid major ramifications would be to ignore them, creating odd character behaviours and worsening the quality of writing.

Ashe is still ready (at least with some of the options) to dive head first into a relationship with Fiona. Only the distance she has from her previous hangups seem to let her grudgingly accept that she needs to spread her wings more, without that ruining her friendship. Depending on your playthrough, she may have already fucked Kate, and likely gotten frisky with at least one other person, so it holds more weight.
The fact that you brought up Kate further weakens your argument honestly, as it is another example of sex scene without bringing massive emotional disruptions to the story. Sex with Lexi on the Siren route also didn't show any major consequences so far. These are already examples that it is possible for Ashe to loose her virginity to other players aside from Zoey (if given the choice) without it ruining the writing.

It is simply up to the writer to shape it in ways that are organic without sacrificing player choices.
 

Hungover00

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The fact that you brought up Kate further weakens your argument honestly, as it is another example of sex scene without bringing massive emotional disruptions to the story. Sex with Lexi on the Siren route also didn't show any major consequences so far. These are already examples that it is possible for Ashe to loose her virginity to other players aside from Zoey (if given the choice) without it ruining the writing.

It is simply up to the writer to shape it in ways that are organic without sacrificing player choices.
Those are examples of Ashe being able to have no-strings-attached sex after she lost her virginity with Zoey, in a no-strings-attached sex kinda way.
 
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Saculgn

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I still don't think I invented a strawman, but I also wasn't going to argue it to death. I haven't gone back and counted how many times over the last few pages you've told someone they misunderstood you, but I'm pretty sure the number is over 4. I know, personally, sometimes I thought I was being perfectly clear, but people have thought I was saying something completely different. Just offering a moment of self-reflection. Can't make you take it, nor tell you what will come from it.
And they are all directed towards the same person who is clearly stonewalling their argument, which you are probably defending because they are on the same "team" as you.

Your offer is respectfully declined because I could also offer the same thing in return to you, but then it would just be another back and forth that carries no meaning.
 

Hungover00

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And they are all directed towards the same person who is clearly stonewalling their argument, which you are probably defending because they are on the same "team" as you.

Your offer is respectfully declined because I could also offer the same thing in return to you and turn this into a meaningless back and forth.
Check how many upvotes I've given them, see how that team theory works out. No, that particular individual and I are usually on opposite sides of things (Rape cop), so...yeah.

And that's how I figured it would go. Horses and water and whatnot. Hope your morning/day/night goes well.
 

Saculgn

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Those are examples of Ashe being able to have no-strings-attached sex after she lost her virginity with Zoey, in a no-strings-attached sex kinda way.
And I am saying that, given how little emotional impact it had on her when she lost her virginity to Zoey, which you agreed that it is also a fling, the scene could have been easily replaced with these examples without really changing anything, and in this case the player actually has a choice.
 

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See, I agree that Ashe and Zoey's first time is considered a fling, because it is. But no other relationship would have had that tenor. It either would have been more serious, or would have been tragic (or fucked up, or otherwise tainted). I could see Fiona and Ashe's relationship surviving them being Ashe's first hookup, but only after a lot of turmoil and hand-wringing. No one else that had an emotional bond with Ashe would have been better. You could swap in the drug dealer chick fine, but then it's just another random to get Ashe past being a virgin. Fiona, Rachel, Delilah, Mom, Kate, even any of the girls at the sorority would have been more emotionally charged and plot disruptive choices. The only way to avoid major ramifications would be to ignore them, creating odd character behaviours and worsening the quality of writing.

Ashe is still ready (at least with some of the options) to dive head first into a relationship with Fiona. Only the distance she has from her previous hangups seem to let her grudgingly accept that she needs to spread her wings more, without that ruining her friendship. Depending on your playthrough, she may have already fucked Kate, and likely gotten frisky with at least one other person, so it holds more weight.
I am not sure if you could swap Zoey that easily.

In addition to the points you made, I would also say her character is perfect to support the cuck route.

As she was her first, Ashe seems to have some special feelings for her.

But being the butterfly she is she can make Ash always feel jelous or not good enough.

That would not work as good with the other characters imho.
 

Hungover00

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And I am saying that, given how little emotional impact it had on her when she lost her virginity to Zoey, which you agreed that it is also a fling, the scene could have been easily replaced with these examples without really changing anything, and in this case the player actually has a choice.
Okay, I should clarify and amend my statement that it had to be Zoey or someone equally emotionally detached so Ashe could have a fling, like the drug dealer (Sky?), or maybe Lexi. I don't think Kate would qualify. But if there were three options of flings the player could choose for Ashe to lose her virginity, lets say Zoey, Sky(?), and Lexi, you'd need three different scenarios for that to happen, especially at the point (right before the blackmail) it was needed for the overall plot. Which is way more work than sticking to Zoey, in that house, at that time, minutes or hours before the first blackmail message.

I don't see how you can get around that without completely upending the blackmail mystery.

I am not sure if you could swap Zoey that easily.

In addition to the points you made, I would also say her character is perfect to support the cuck route.

As she was her first, Ashe seems to have some special feelings for her.

But being the butterfly she is she can make Ash always feel jelous or not good enough.

That would not work as good with the other characters imho.
I hope I didn't say I thought Zoey could be swapped easily! That'd be embarrassing.

But good point, I'm more of a Siren path preference person myself, but Zoey does have a way of teasing out the different paths from Ashe, like with the vid-call.
 

Kontralta

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You have clearly already misunderstood my post from the beginning and seem to be continuing this just for the sake of it instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on.

And no, the other user literally mentioned yesterday that they were just voicing out their opinion and isn't forcing their opinion upon others unlike what you are doing, with shaky "evidences" that you are attemtping to use to back up your claim.

Again, you really need to work on your reading comprehension, because you once again misunderstood another post from a different user...
"You didn't understand" is not an argument.
If he didn't force his opinion on anyone, then his comment was incorrect, and he received the corresponding reaction.
 

Kontralta

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I was shocked at the poll because back when that scene was released, I remember reading a lot of comments about people complaining and pissed off about that scene...That was the reason why I was surprised to see that scene voted at #4...I never told you or anyone that everyone should have the same opinion as me
"ain't no way 'Ashe losing her virginity to the most boring and ugliest character in the whole game' is the 4th most voted favourite sex scene" It doesn't sound like you're referring to the unskippable scene complaints. You're insulting the character here.
 

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But I'm done for now. The people who argue with me here won't be able to do anything else except call me a troll. Shame
 

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I personally would say that the tone especially in this thread improved quiet a bit in the last year.

So just maybe we all can be a little less 'Internet' and remind ourselfs that we all are more or less alike:

A bunch of perfs who like to fap for free to some nice pixelated tits or pussy or dick.

I love you all!

Cheers!
 

damnedfrog

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I personally would say that the tone especially in this thread improved quiet a bit in the last year.

So just maybe we all can be a little less 'Internet' and remind ourselfs that we all are more or less alike:

A bunch of perfs who like to fap for free to some nice pixelated tits or pussy or dick.

I love you all!

Cheers!
Band of pervs, band of pervs...
Speak for yourself.
I'm a pure soul.
...
So what I'm doing here?
Uh... it's for... science! Yes! That it! I'm here for science!
...
 

Aezum

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*scrolling fast past all potentional spoilers*

only dropping by to say: Great game, Ashe is the prettiest character in all games period in the history of times and then some and all that. +1

her eyes, lips, cheekbones, chin, forehead, nose and ears not least her hair. Simply amazing. Rockin' bod as well ofc.
 
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Jafo

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Hey everyone
Good news! I managed to finish writing the initial draft of the episode ! It took quite a bit longer than initially planned, but I'm eager to finally move on to renders soon.
I'll take some time this weekend to go through the whole script again and make any bigger changes if necessary. I'll also try to figure out how many renders and characters I'll have to create for this episode. So in next week's progress report you'll have some clearer numbers on where we stand and how big Ep. 6 is gonna be (spoiler: It's very big ). As usual, I'll keep fixing and polishing the script while working on the renders too.
Next week I'll start making preparations for the renders. There are a bunch of new girls you'll meet at the party, and who I need to create. I also need a whole lot of background characters as well, plus turning the house into a proper party environment will take some time too.
I'm not exactly sure how long this'll take, but it's gonna be more than a week, so don't expect preview images just yet.
I'm excited to finally get back into DAZ again and get on with the challenge of this big Episode .
❤ Enjoy your weekend! And thank you for your support and your patience! ❤
 

Jafo

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This is really looking promising how the game will go on. I can imagine a lot of lewd scenes about to enroll next episode. BUT, I am most looking forward to a scene with Delilah. I don't care what but Ashe MUST get a scene with her......

And really nail her.
 

Dragongod777

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This is really looking promising how the game will go on. I can imagine a lot of lewd scenes about to enroll next episode. BUT, I am most looking forward to a scene with Delilah. I don't care what but Ashe MUST get a scene with her......

And really nail her.
Agree,Especially on the siren path because from what MorriganRae has said about this update the drunker ashe is the more ballzy and Confident she will be in the party for the main girls who are at the party (fiona rachel and delilah and i think vanessa),and side girls( lexi and zoey) Evelyn, Isabella, martha and kate are not going to be there so half of the siren path characters are going to be there. :BootyTime: this will be a fun update.
 
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Hungover00

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Agree,Especially on the siren path because from what MorriganRae has said about this update the drunker ashe is the more ballzy and Confident she will be in the party for the main girls who are at the party (fiona rachel and delilah and i think vanessa),and side girls( lexi and zoey) Evelyn, Isabella, martha and kate are not going to be there so half of the siren path characters are going to be there. :BootyTime: this will be a fun update.
We may need to crowdsource a walkthrough for the party when it gets released.
 
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Jafo

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Agree,Especially on the siren path because from what MorriganRae has said about this update the drunker ashe is the more ballzy and Confident she will be in the party for the main girls who are at the party (fiona rachel and delilah and i think vanessa),and side girls( lexi and zoey) Evelyn, Isabella, martha and kate are not going to be there so half of the siren path characters are going to be there. :BootyTime: this will be a fun update.

Believe me, I cannot wait for episode 6........ I will stop fapping 3 weeks before the update.
 

OneWayMissile

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Hey everyone
Good news! I managed to finish writing the initial draft of the episode ! It took quite a bit longer than initially planned, but I'm eager to finally move on to renders soon.
I'll take some time this weekend to go through the whole script again and make any bigger changes if necessary. I'll also try to figure out how many renders and characters I'll have to create for this episode. So in next week's progress report you'll have some clearer numbers on where we stand and how big Ep. 6 is gonna be (spoiler: It's very big ). As usual, I'll keep fixing and polishing the script while working on the renders too.
Next week I'll start making preparations for the renders. There are a bunch of new girls you'll meet at the party, and who I need to create. I also need a whole lot of background characters as well, plus turning the house into a proper party environment will take some time too.
I'm not exactly sure how long this'll take, but it's gonna be more than a week, so don't expect preview images just yet.
I'm excited to finally get back into DAZ again and get on with the challenge of this big Episode .
❤ Enjoy your weekend! And thank you for your support and your patience! ❤
Late feb seems like a good bet if everything goes right
 
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