Hungover00

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You have clearly already misunderstood my post from the beginning and seem to be continuing this just for the sake of it instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on.

And no, the other user literally mentioned yesterday that they were just voicing out their opinion and isn't forcing their opinion upon other people unlike what you are doing.

Again, you really need to work on your reading comprehension, because you once again misunderstood another post from a different user...
I can't say for this particular instance, but if many people are misunderstanding your posts/words, maybe it isn't their reading comprehension, but your ability to communicate? I'm sure it is all clear in your head, but if people are coming to different conclusions about what you wrote, it may not be their fault. 'A poor artisan blames their tools,' and whatnot, but in this case audience.
 

Saculgn

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I can't say for this particular instance, but if many people are misunderstanding your posts/words, maybe it isn't their reading comprehension, but your ability to communicate? I'm sure it is all clear in your head, but if people are coming to different conclusions about what you wrote, it may not be their fault. 'A poor artisan blames their tools,' and whatnot, but in this case audience.
Who is "many" here? You literally jumped in with a strawman at the start and upon me pointing that out, seem to be on the same wavelength afterwards.
 

Hungover00

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Who is "many" here? You literally jumped in with a strawman at the start and upon me pointing that out, seem to be on the same wavelength afterwards.
I still don't think I invented a strawman, but I also wasn't going to argue it to death. I haven't gone back and counted how many times over the last few pages you've told someone they misunderstood you, but I'm pretty sure the number is over 4. I know, personally, sometimes I thought I was being perfectly clear, but people have thought I was saying something completely different. Just offering a moment of self-reflection. Can't make you take it, nor tell you what will come from it.
 

Saculgn

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See, I agree that Ashe and Zoey's first time is considered a fling, because it is. But no other relationship would have had that tenor. It either would have been more serious, or would have been tragic (or fucked up, or otherwise tainted). I could see Fiona and Ashe's relationship surviving them being Ashe's first hookup, but only after a lot of turmoil and hand-wringing. No one else that had an emotional bond with Ashe would have been better. You could swap in the drug dealer chick fine, but then it's just another random to get Ashe past being a virgin. Fiona, Rachel, Delilah, Mom, Kate, even any of the girls at the sorority would have been more emotionally charged and plot disruptive choices. The only way to avoid major ramifications would be to ignore them, creating odd character behaviours and worsening the quality of writing.

Ashe is still ready (at least with some of the options) to dive head first into a relationship with Fiona. Only the distance she has from her previous hangups seem to let her grudgingly accept that she needs to spread her wings more, without that ruining her friendship. Depending on your playthrough, she may have already fucked Kate, and likely gotten frisky with at least one other person, so it holds more weight.
The fact that you brought up Kate further weakens your argument honestly, as it is another example of sex scene without bringing massive emotional disruptions to the story. Sex with Lexi on the Siren route also didn't show any major consequences so far. These are already examples that it is possible for Ashe to loose her virginity to other players aside from Zoey (if given the choice) without it ruining the writing.

It is simply up to the writer to shape it in ways that are organic without sacrificing player choices.
 

yunosykk

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And I said about the vote because one user was indignant about why the scene with Zoey was rated so highly, although in his opinion she is ugly. Unlike you, this person does not want to admit that others may think differently.
I was shocked at the poll because back when that scene was released, I remember reading a lot of comments about people complaining and pissed off about that scene...That was the reason why I was surprised to see that scene voted at #4...I never told you or anyone that everyone should have the same opinion as me
 

Hungover00

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The fact that you brought up Kate further weakens your argument honestly, as it is another example of sex scene without bringing massive emotional disruptions to the story. Sex with Lexi on the Siren route also didn't show any major consequences so far. These are already examples that it is possible for Ashe to loose her virginity to other players aside from Zoey (if given the choice) without it ruining the writing.

It is simply up to the writer to shape it in ways that are organic without sacrificing player choices.
Those are examples of Ashe being able to have no-strings-attached sex after she lost her virginity with Zoey, in a no-strings-attached sex kinda way.
 

Saculgn

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I still don't think I invented a strawman, but I also wasn't going to argue it to death. I haven't gone back and counted how many times over the last few pages you've told someone they misunderstood you, but I'm pretty sure the number is over 4. I know, personally, sometimes I thought I was being perfectly clear, but people have thought I was saying something completely different. Just offering a moment of self-reflection. Can't make you take it, nor tell you what will come from it.
And they are all directed towards the same person who is clearly stonewalling their argument, which you are probably defending because they are on the same "team" as you.

Your offer is respectfully declined because I could also offer the same thing in return to you, but then it would just be another back and forth that carries no meaning.
 

Hungover00

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And they are all directed towards the same person who is clearly stonewalling their argument, which you are probably defending because they are on the same "team" as you.

Your offer is respectfully declined because I could also offer the same thing in return to you and turn this into a meaningless back and forth.
Check how many upvotes I've given them, see how that team theory works out. No, that particular individual and I are usually on opposite sides of things (Rape cop), so...yeah.

And that's how I figured it would go. Horses and water and whatnot. Hope your morning/day/night goes well.
 

Saculgn

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Those are examples of Ashe being able to have no-strings-attached sex after she lost her virginity with Zoey, in a no-strings-attached sex kinda way.
And I am saying that, given how little emotional impact it had on her when she lost her virginity to Zoey, which you agreed that it is also a fling, the scene could have been easily replaced with these examples without really changing anything, and in this case the player actually has a choice.
 

Buletti

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See, I agree that Ashe and Zoey's first time is considered a fling, because it is. But no other relationship would have had that tenor. It either would have been more serious, or would have been tragic (or fucked up, or otherwise tainted). I could see Fiona and Ashe's relationship surviving them being Ashe's first hookup, but only after a lot of turmoil and hand-wringing. No one else that had an emotional bond with Ashe would have been better. You could swap in the drug dealer chick fine, but then it's just another random to get Ashe past being a virgin. Fiona, Rachel, Delilah, Mom, Kate, even any of the girls at the sorority would have been more emotionally charged and plot disruptive choices. The only way to avoid major ramifications would be to ignore them, creating odd character behaviours and worsening the quality of writing.

Ashe is still ready (at least with some of the options) to dive head first into a relationship with Fiona. Only the distance she has from her previous hangups seem to let her grudgingly accept that she needs to spread her wings more, without that ruining her friendship. Depending on your playthrough, she may have already fucked Kate, and likely gotten frisky with at least one other person, so it holds more weight.
I am not sure if you could swap Zoey that easily.

In addition to the points you made, I would also say her character is perfect to support the cuck route.

As she was her first, Ashe seems to have some special feelings for her.

But being the butterfly she is she can make Ash always feel jelous or not good enough.

That would not work as good with the other characters imho.
 

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And I am saying that, given how little emotional impact it had on her when she lost her virginity to Zoey, which you agreed that it is also a fling, the scene could have been easily replaced with these examples without really changing anything, and in this case the player actually has a choice.
Okay, I should clarify and amend my statement that it had to be Zoey or someone equally emotionally detached so Ashe could have a fling, like the drug dealer (Sky?), or maybe Lexi. I don't think Kate would qualify. But if there were three options of flings the player could choose for Ashe to lose her virginity, lets say Zoey, Sky(?), and Lexi, you'd need three different scenarios for that to happen, especially at the point (right before the blackmail) it was needed for the overall plot. Which is way more work than sticking to Zoey, in that house, at that time, minutes or hours before the first blackmail message.

I don't see how you can get around that without completely upending the blackmail mystery.

I am not sure if you could swap Zoey that easily.

In addition to the points you made, I would also say her character is perfect to support the cuck route.

As she was her first, Ashe seems to have some special feelings for her.

But being the butterfly she is she can make Ash always feel jelous or not good enough.

That would not work as good with the other characters imho.
I hope I didn't say I thought Zoey could be swapped easily! That'd be embarrassing.

But good point, I'm more of a Siren path preference person myself, but Zoey does have a way of teasing out the different paths from Ashe, like with the vid-call.
 
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Kontralta

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You have clearly already misunderstood my post from the beginning and seem to be continuing this just for the sake of it instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on.

And no, the other user literally mentioned yesterday that they were just voicing out their opinion and isn't forcing their opinion upon others unlike what you are doing, with shaky "evidences" that you are attemtping to use to back up your claim.

Again, you really need to work on your reading comprehension, because you once again misunderstood another post from a different user...
"You didn't understand" is not an argument.
If he didn't force his opinion on anyone, then his comment was incorrect, and he received the corresponding reaction.
 

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I was shocked at the poll because back when that scene was released, I remember reading a lot of comments about people complaining and pissed off about that scene...That was the reason why I was surprised to see that scene voted at #4...I never told you or anyone that everyone should have the same opinion as me
"ain't no way 'Ashe losing her virginity to the most boring and ugliest character in the whole game' is the 4th most voted favourite sex scene" It doesn't sound like you're referring to the unskippable scene complaints. You're insulting the character here.
 

yunosykk

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"ain't no way 'Ashe losing her virginity to the most boring and ugliest character in the whole game' is the 4th most voted favourite sex scene" It doesn't sound like you're referring to the unskippable scene complaints. You're insulting the character here.
the part in the single quotes is my opinion about her...the other part was me being surprised by the fact that the scene got so many votes(despite being so hated during the release)...i never claimed that people should have the same opinion as me...on the other hand, it was you who got offended because i called a character ugly, who is beautiful in your opinion
 

Hungover00

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the part in the single quotes is my opinion about her...the other part was me being surprised by the fact that the scene got so many votes(despite being so hated during the release)...i never claimed that people should have the same opinion as me...on the other hand, it was you who got offended because i called a character ugly, who is beautiful in your opinion
Well, calling anyone 'ugly' is rude, so that may be part of it. 'I don't find her attractive,' or the ever popular 'not my type' are options you could have chosen, but didn't. That was a choice.
 

yunosykk

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Well, calling anyone 'ugly' is rude, so that may be part of it. 'I don't find her attractive,' or the ever popular 'not my type' are options you could have chosen, but didn't. That was a choice.
well I didn't knew it's considered rude to call a video game character as ugly
 
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Saculgn

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Well, calling anyone 'ugly' is rude, so that may be part of it. 'I don't find her attractive,' or the ever popular 'not my type' are options you could have chosen, but didn't. That was a choice.
People need to touch some grass if they get so worked up over others calling a fictional character "ugly".
 

Hungover00

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well I didn't knew it's considered rude to call a video game character as ugly
Send out bad vibes, you're likely to get bad vibes back. It's like insulting someone's favourite show or book. What do you expect will happen, people will gather round and clap for your brave stance of shitting on someone else's work? Or will they think you're unpleasant and not listen to anything else you say (or type, in this case). Why be shitty, when you can...not? Life already has enough pain, and death, and shittiness built in, no one needs extra.

People need to touch some grass if they get so worked up over others calling a fictional character "ugly".
So very worked up. /s

(and, since I seem to have to spell this out, it's not about the fictional character, it's about the real people who created them, or liked them, or identified with them. Or about people not liking to see others be pointlessly cruel for no reason, and make the world an uglier place because of it.)
 
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Buletti

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I personally would say that the tone especially in this thread improved quiet a bit in the last year.

So just maybe we all can be a little less 'Internet' and remind ourselfs that we all are more or less alike:

A bunch of perfs who like to fap for free to some nice pixelated tits or pussy or dick.

I love you all!

Cheers!
 
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