VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[Hungover00]

Which is... besides the point. Even the dev herself has mentioned in discord that Zoey being unoptional is one of the most popular complains the game has received so far.

Also the poll is "Most favourite scene", not "Most disliked scene", which means even people like me who dislike the Zoey scene can only choose the scenes that we like the most, rather than "dislike" scenes that we do not like.

In this case, the fact that Zoey scene didn't even make it to top 3 (despite it being a scene that is not locked to any route) speaks clearly that the majority actualy prefers Fiona and other scenes compared to this particular one.

If I were to vote, I would have also voted for Fiona or Natasha, but it still wouldn't change the fact that Zoey is at the bottom for me but there is no way of telling the latter just from poll results.

So the fact that the Zoey scene was voted as a favourite scene is somehow evidence that there are more than 'dozens of us' type folks that dislike Zoey? A bit of a stretch. You don't have the data to reverse a conclusion like that out of it. It's possible, but with what we have, that's just a story, not an argument.

I do agree that having that scene happen with no player input is difficult, but at the same time it is the most elegant solution to keep most player autonomy with having Ashe lose her virginity. If you let the player choose who they gave their V-card to, the coding and branching would quickly become a nightmare. If you forced Ashe to fuck Fiona or Natasha, fans that just see Fiona as a bestie, and everyone that hates the rape cop would complain loudly. Zoey is kinda the perfect choice. Doesn't have an established relationship with Ashe, but is vouched for by close friends. Leaves almost immediately, so Ashe, newly unburdened by her anxiety over her virginity, can now go out and start making choices for herself. Like Fiona and Natasha.

What's a better solution, considering the work that would have to be done? I don't think there is one, though you could ignore the event altogether so the choice ends up meaning nothing more than a different array of pictures. And I wouldn't want the writing to be undercut, since it is probably the strongest aspect of the game (that has many strong aspects).

 

[yunosykk]

MorriganRae has already explained that for the sack of the story, Ash need to lost her virginity with a "neutral" character. In other words, not one of the main LI.
Otherwise, there would be 2 options:

1. Ash lost it with one main LI you can't choose. Easiest way for MorriganRae, as it means only one scene to create, and no branching afterwards.
   But then, there will be lot of complains from all the players for whom it wasn't favorite LI...
2. The player can choose with who she lost her virginity. Meaning more than one scene to create, and a lot of branching (far more that the 3 siren / kitten / cuck paths) afterwards.

So, imposing a no main LI was the better way, developing wise.

which was very understandable from the dev's POV... that's why I have never complained about Morrigan making this decision...I was just expressing my reaction about the poll results, but looks like I offended a lot of people by it

 

[Kontralta]

Which is... besides the point. Even the dev herself has mentioned in discord that Zoey being unoptional is one of the most popular complains the game has received so far.

Indeed. The complaints were that this scene was unoptional.
There are no mass complaints about Zoey as a character.

 

[Saculgn]

Indeed. The complaints were that this scene was unoptional.
There are no mass complaints about Zoey as a character.

Which is... literally what I mentioned right from the beginning? What even is your point now, I am confused.

 

[Saculgn]

which was very understandable from the dev's POV... that's why I have never complained about Morrigan making this decision...I was just expressing my reaction about the poll results, but looks like I offended a lot of people by it

No worries, I agree with your opinion. Some people just cannot handle opposite preferences.

 

[Saculgn]

So the fact that the Zoey scene was voted as a favourite scene is somehow evidence that there are more than 'dozens of us' type folks that dislike Zoey? A bit of a stretch. You don't have the data to reverse a conclusion like that out of it. It's possible, but with what we have, that's just a story, not an argument.

I do agree that having that scene happen with no player input is difficult, but at the same time it is the most elegant solution to keep most player autonomy with having Ashe lose her virginity. If you let the player choose who they gave their V-card to, the coding and branching would quickly become a nightmare. If you forced Ashe to fuck Fiona or Natasha, fans that just see Fiona as a bestie, and everyone that hates the rape cop would complain loudly. Zoey is kinda the perfect choice. Doesn't have an established relationship with Ashe, but is vouched for by close friends. Leaves almost immediately, so Ashe, newly unburdened by her anxiety over her virginity, can now go out and start making choices for herself. Like Fiona and Natasha.

What's a better solution, considering the work that would have to be done? I don't think there is one, though you could ignore the event altogether so the choice ends up meaning nothing more than a different array of pictures. And I wouldn't want the writing to be undercut, since it is probably the strongest aspect of the game (that has many strong aspects).

I never made the claim that the poll results indicate strong dislike towards Zoey's scene. Sounds like a strawman right here. What I said, is that the poll results do not provide feedback on how many people actually dislike Zoey's scene, and hence is not good enough evidence to prove the notion that "Only very few people actually dislike Zoey" which the previous poster was trying to leverage on.

As for the virgnity solution, I personally think that Zoey can choose any of the character she wants to have sex with first, without the decision of "who" popped her cherry being an important plot point.

From what I have saw in the game so far, "who" took her virginity doesn't seem to be crucial to the plot at all, it is moreso her action of "losing her virginity" that separates the story into the second half where we play as a non-virgin Ashe for the rest of the game. Heck, almost no one even cared who Ashe lost her virginity towards, they were just glad that she lost it. The person who took it didn't really matter.

So, why not, just make it so that Ashe can lose her virginity to anyone of her choice in the story, and the plot continues with "non virgin Ashe" afterwards? Plenty of other games have done something like this too without it changing the story drastically.

 

[AdaWongLina]

I also disagree. The cycle time will be longer. There are three branches now. And it take Morrigan much more cycletime than whitout animations.

But to be really honest to you..... Yes I would love to see the animation of Ashe banging Delilah.

Well, one animation accepted!

If the production team could add animated sex scenes , I think you would love it as much as I do. Especially the scene where the female protagonist is having sex with her best friend fiona is simply amazing, I dare not imagine it any further, my bro.

 

[Hungover00]

I never made the claim that the poll results indicate strong dislike towards Zoey's scene. Sounds like a strawman right here. What I said, is that the poll results do not provide feedback on how many people actually dislike Zoey's scene, and hence is not good enough evidence to prove the notion that "Only very few people actually dislike Zoey" which the previous poster was trying to leverage on.

As for the virgnity solution, I personally think that Zoey can choose any of the character she wants to have sex with first, without the decision of "who" popped her cherry being an important plot point.

From what I have saw in the game so far, "who" took her virginity doesn't seem to be crucial to the plot at all, it is moreso her action of "losing her virginity" that separates the story into the second half where we play as a non-virgin Ashe for the rest of the game. Heck, almost no one even cared who Ashe lost her virginity towards, they were just glad that she lost it. The person who took it didn't really matter.

So, why not, just make it so that Ashe can lose her virginity to anyone of her choice in the story, and the plot continues with "non virgin Ashe" afterwards? Plenty of other games have done something like this too without it changing the story drastically.

Ah, seems to be a communication error or something. It sounded like you were saying, even though there was evidence that Zoey and Ashe's scene together was at the top of favourites, it actually meant Zoey haters were being supressed as they weren't given a thumbs down option. Or something along those lines.

Did you mean Ashe can choose any of the characters to lose her virginity to, without it being a plot point? You said Zoey. But if that is your point, I disagree. If Ashe had slept with Fiona, or Rachel, or her Mom, etc., first, those would have been extremely important to the plot. Because of their histories, and connections. The only way to avoid that would be to find a neutral third party, like Zoey, so losing her virginity didn't get wrapped up with the person who she lost it with.

Follow the story and put Delilah into the role of taking Ashe's v-card. How does their relationship change? Their actions later? What about Natasha? Is Ashe going to have the confidence to fool around with anyone else with her first claiming her, dominating her, and probably threatening her too? Could Ashe have avoided going into a tail spin if she fucked her best friend Fiona as her first foray into sex, but was immediately rejected and told to keep it casual? Her twin sister's ex-girlfriend, and her best friend, didn't want to date her, just have a quick fuck. You don't see how the story would be different if a normally huge event happened with a person they are already deeply entwined with, or would end up in a huge-power difference relationship?

What if you managed to sleep with Rachel first, at that point in the story? How does that work?

 

[Johan_0000]

WOW, it's been quit some time. How is the dev of this game going?






THX

 

[Jafo]

If the production team could add animated sex scenes , I think you would love it as much as I do. Especially the scene where the female protagonist is having sex with her best friend fiona is simply amazing, I dare not imagine it any further, my bro.

Rember! A dirty mind is a joy forever.

 

[Buletti]

The scene itself and the buildup to it is really good imho. And that I think makes up for a lot.

I also think many have a problem with her because she seems to be a major cuck character.

I personally think she is hot and would lose my virginity to her any time.

 

[AdaWongLina]

Rember! A dirty mind is a joy forever.

Oh genius, brother, you're absolutely right , What you said is amazing.

 

[Kontralta]

Which is... literally what I mentioned right from the beginning? What even is your point now, I am confused.

False. You called her ugly. And you said that others agree with you, and you prove it with complaints from players. But the complaints were not about Zoey being ugly, but about the fact that the scene with her is unoptional.

 

[Saculgn]

False. You called her ugly. And you said that others agree with you, and you prove it with complaints from players. But the complaints were not about Zoey being ugly, but about the fact that the scene with her is unoptional.

You clearly have a reading comprehension issue. From the very first post, I already said that I find her ugly, but you are free to think otherwise. I could care less whether you find her attractive or not because whatever gets you off is not my concern.

From the very beginning, my stance has been to make her scene optional, which is something that many others have also voiced out.

And I also pointed out that you referring to the polls as evidence that few people dislike Zoey is a very flawed attempt at rebuttal, because people would simply pick their favourite character/scene rather than voice out their dislike for any other characters.

 

[Saculgn]

Ah, seems to be a communication error or something. It sounded like you were saying, even though there was evidence that Zoey and Ashe's scene together was at the top of favourites, it actually meant Zoey haters were being supressed as they weren't given a thumbs down option. Or something along those lines.

Did you mean Ashe can choose any of the characters to lose her virginity to, without it being a plot point? You said Zoey. But if that is your point, I disagree. If Ashe had slept

Ah, seems to be a communication error or something. It sounded like you were saying, even though there was evidence that Zoey and Ashe's scene together was at the top of favourites, it actually meant Zoey haters were being supressed as they weren't given a thumbs down option. Or something along those lines.

Did you mean Ashe can choose any of the characters to lose her virginity to, without it being a plot point? You said Zoey. But if that is your point, I disagree. If Ashe had slept with Fiona, or Rachel, or her Mom, etc., first, those would have been extremely important to the plot. Because of their histories, and connections. The only way to avoid that would be to find a neutral third party, like Zoey, so losing her virginity didn't get wrapped up with the person who she lost it with.

Follow the story and put Delilah into the role of taking Ashe's v-card. How does their relationship change? Their actions later? What about Natasha? Is Ashe going to have the confidence to fool around with anyone else with her first claiming her, dominating her, and probably threatening her too? Could Ashe have avoided going into a tail spin if she fucked her best friend Fiona as her first foray into sex, but was immediately rejected and told to keep it casual? Her twin sister's ex-girlfriend, and her best friend, didn't want to date her, just have a quick fuck. You don't see how the story would be different if a normally huge event happened with a person they are already deeply entwined with, or would end up in a huge-power difference relationship?

What if you managed to sleep with Rachel first, at that point in the story? How does that work?

Fiona, or Rachel, or her Mom, etc., first, those would have been extremely important to the plot. Because of their histories, and connections. The only way to avoid that would be to find a neutral third party, like Zoey, so losing her virginity didn't get wrapped up with the person who she lost it with.

Follow the story and put Delilah into the role of taking Ashe's v-card. How does their relationship change? Their actions later? What about Natasha? Is Ashe going to have the confidence to fool around with anyone else with her first claiming her, dominating her, and probably threatening her too? Could Ashe have avoided going into a tail spin if she fucked her best friend Fiona as her first foray into sex, but was immediately rejected and told to keep it casual? Her twin sister's ex-girlfriend, and her best friend, didn't want to date her, just have a quick fuck. You don't see how the story would be different if a normally huge event happened with a person they are already deeply entwined with, or would end up in a huge-power difference relationship?

What if you managed to sleep with Rachel first, at that point in the story? How does that work?

I was talking about Ashe, so that was a typo.

While you make valid points, I still don't think it is necessarily going to be as complicated as you think it will be.

Even now, her losing her virginity has not really been a massive impact in the story. Characters only congratulate her and move on, that is about it.

Her sex scene with Zoey was treated like a fling that no one really gives it great significance, including her own self. There was nothing really too emotional about it.

I can totally see Ashe losing her virginity to other characters regardless of how close they are to her without major ramifications in the story, and have it be treated as a casual fling without too much emotional baggage like what happened with Zoey and currently Fiona.

 

[Hungover00]

I was talking about Ashe, so that was a typo.

While you make valid points, I still don't think it is necessarily going to be as complicated as you think it will be.

Even now, her losing her virginity has not really been a massive impact in the story. Characters only congratulate her and move on, that is about it.

Her sex scene with Zoey was treated like a fling that no one really gives it great significance, including her own self. There was nothing really too emotional about it.

I can totally see Ashe losing her virginity to other characters regardless of how close they are to her without major ramifications in the story, and have it be treated as a casual fling without too much emotional baggage like what happened with Zoey and currently Fiona.

See, I agree that Ashe and Zoey's first time is considered a fling, because it is. But no other relationship would have had that tenor. It either would have been more serious, or would have been tragic (or fucked up, or otherwise tainted). I could see Fiona and Ashe's relationship surviving them being Ashe's first hookup, but only after a lot of turmoil and hand-wringing. No one else that had an emotional bond with Ashe would have been better. You could swap in the drug dealer chick fine, but then it's just another random to get Ashe past being a virgin. Fiona, Rachel, Delilah, Mom, Kate, even any of the girls at the sorority would have been more emotionally charged and plot disruptive choices. The only way to avoid major ramifications would be to ignore them, creating odd character behaviours and worsening the quality of writing.

Ashe is still ready (at least with some of the options) to dive head first into a relationship with Fiona. Only the distance she has from her previous hangups seem to let her grudgingly accept that she needs to spread her wings more, without that ruining her friendship. Depending on your playthrough, she may have already fucked Kate, and likely gotten frisky with at least one other person, so it holds more weight.

 

[Kontralta]

You clearly have a reading comprehension issue. From the very first post, I already said that I find her ugly, but you are free to think otherwise. I could care less whether you find her attractive or not because whatever gets you off is not my concern.

From the very beginning, my stance has been to make her scene optional, which is something that many others have also voiced out.

And I also pointed out that you referring to the polls as evidence that few people dislike Zoey is a very flawed attempt at rebuttal, because people would simply pick their favourite character/scene rather than voice out their dislike for any other characters.

I'm fine with reading, but you seem to be wrong. I just pointed out that many people disagree with you. That's all.

And I said about the vote because one user was indignant about why the scene with Zoey was rated so highly, although in his opinion she is ugly. Unlike you, this person does not want to admit that others may think differently.

 

[Saculgn]

I'm fine with reading, but you seem to be wrong. I just pointed out that many people disagree with you. That's all.

And I said about the vote because one user was indignant about why the scene with Zoey was rated so highly, although in his opinion she is ugly. Unlike you, this person does not want to admit that others may think differently.

You have clearly already misunderstood my post from the beginning and seem to be continuing this just for the sake of it instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on.

And no, the other user literally mentioned yesterday that they were just voicing out their opinion and isn't forcing their opinion upon others unlike what you are doing, with shaky "evidences" that you are attemtping to use to back up your claim.

Again, you really need to work on your reading comprehension, because you once again misunderstood another post from a different user...

 

[Hungover00]

You have clearly already misunderstood my post from the beginning and seem to be continuing this just for the sake of it instead of just admitting that you made a mistake and moving on.

And no, the other user literally mentioned yesterday that they were just voicing out their opinion and isn't forcing their opinion upon other people unlike what you are doing.

Again, you really need to work on your reading comprehension, because you once again misunderstood another post from a different user...

I can't say for this particular instance, but if many people are misunderstanding your posts/words, maybe it isn't their reading comprehension, but your ability to communicate? I'm sure it is all clear in your head, but if people are coming to different conclusions about what you wrote, it may not be their fault. 'A poor artisan blames their tools,' and whatnot, but in this case audience.

 

[Saculgn]

I can't say for this particular instance, but if many people are misunderstanding your posts/words, maybe it isn't their reading comprehension, but your ability to communicate? I'm sure it is all clear in your head, but if people are coming to different conclusions about what you wrote, it may not be their fault. 'A poor artisan blames their tools,' and whatnot, but in this case audience.

Who is "many" here? You literally jumped in with a strawman at the start and upon me pointing that out, seem to be on the same wavelength afterwards.