VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[BaDikGirl]

BaDikGirl, Hungover00
Assuming you're right, it turns out that the mystery woman with the Elysium bag in her hands (in the finale of episode 5) is hardly Victoria. If only because no one at a party expects a visit from an unknown milf that no one invited...So it appears to be someone third, and it may be about ruining Vanessa's life, not Ash's.

On the other hand, even if this stranger manages to stage a wild, uncontrolled orgy at the party involving Ashe and Vanessa, even with the possibility of partial media publicity, it's unlikely that the latter will suffer in any way, given the virtually limitless administrative and financial resources of her mother Moira.

And if the stranger's speech about “ruining her life” is about Ashe and not Vanessa, then the "Victoria blackmailer" theory hardly makes sense (at least in Ash's “sex education” interpretation) and it turns out that the blackmailer is someone else.

In my head, I haven't decided who the blackmailer might be yet, the evidence for either theory is too shaky (imho), but one thing is certain (and I doubt anyone will argue with it) - Delilah is directly involved, and even if someone is behind it (like Victoria), the weakest link in the scheme is she, and I really hope Ashe has the sense to press Delilah at the party and get her to come clean.

Or maybe it really is someone unknown to us, someone who genuinely hates duplexes. Perhaps the same person whose blackmail eventually led to the suicide of that media star/streamer who had to admit to being a duplex. Either way, I'm hoping that phrase from Siren's route description finally starts working, and in the next update a dominant Ashe starts beating the shit out of blackmailers (whoever they are).

I'm not sure where you got the idea that either of us think that the woman at the end and the blackmailer MUST be the same person. Honestly, I don't believe, even for a second, that they are. I DO believe that the woman at the end is 100% talking about ruining Vanessa's life, purely based on the amount of Elysium she had. The main reason being that when Ashe first bought it, the bags were $150 a piece. There are 7 on the table. Assuming that when Spike said they went up in price, the maximum they went up to was double, then that still means that amount on the table is between $1,050 and $2,100 dollars of Elysium they are willing to throw away JUST to fuck up a party. I can't see Ashe having any friends, much less enemies, willing to throw away money like that, much less in that quantity.

However, I don't believe that the woman is Victoria. Personally, I have spent a few weeks going through and making a detailed timeline of events for myself, while also looking for one specific thing... flowers. The picture at the end that shows the case of roses, shows what looks like two stems with missing flowers. I still have a lot of ground to cover in my in depth look, but so far the only times flowers really show up are on Lexi's shirt, Siri's shirt, and on the coffee table in Fiona's house. I am most likely chasing down a total phantom there, but I would rather chase down a phantom and eliminate it, at least for me, then leave a loose thread hanging in my mind.

 

[GossHarag]

That's basically my point. We are getting locked out of more than half of Ashe's persona and more than half content from the game right in the start. It's still too early for Ashe's personality to be locked into stone, I don't even like the idea of a character's personality being locked like that since I like fluidity of characters and how they interact with the world, but I understand that some people have inclinations towards some actions.

But having some choices being tied to one personality right of the bat without much time to proper develop such personality? It feels weird for me. It's even weirder that Ashe's overall behaviour didn't actually change much, she still acts like herself, but now she just won't make some choices and will prioritize some characters over others? With just ONE CHOICE?

Why dont you just replay the game?

 

[ElCafillero]

Maybe the real blackmailer was the friends we made along the way?

 

[Stan5851]

I'm not sure where you got the idea that either of us think that the woman at the end and the blackmailer MUST be the same person. Honestly, I don't believe, even for a second, that they are. I DO believe that the woman at the end is 100% talking about ruining Vanessa's life, purely based on the amount of Elysium she had. The main reason being that when Ashe first bought it, the bags were $150 a piece. There are 7 on the table. Assuming that when Spike said they went up in price, the maximum they went up to was double, then that still means that amount on the table is between $1,050 and $2,100 dollars of Elysium they are willing to throw away JUST to fuck up a party. I can't see Ashe having any friends, much less enemies, willing to throw away money like that, much less in that quantity.

However, I don't believe that the woman is Victoria. Personally, I have spent a few weeks going through and making a detailed timeline of events for myself, while also looking for one specific thing... flowers. The picture at the end that shows the case of roses, shows what looks like two stems with missing flowers. I still have a lot of ground to cover in my in depth look, but so far the only times flowers really show up are on Lexi's shirt, Siri's shirt, and on the coffee table in Fiona's house. I am most likely chasing down a total phantom there, but I would rather chase down a phantom and eliminate it, at least for me, then leave a loose thread hanging in my mind.

It's not a statement that you think that way (that Victoria is the same person holding the Elysium package at the end), but rather my thoughts and trying to make sense of it. I myself believe that the blackmailer and the person with Elysium are different people. As for Victoria the blackmailer, I think the problem with this theory (as with any other) is that there is too little data that players are forced to operate with.

As a result, such researchers (I know this from myself, because I am also fond of theorizing, but in other game threads of our forum) are sometimes forced to speculate too much from their heads, which does not always lead to the desired result. Of course, this is a fascinating occupation, and sometimes such reflections and thoughtful analysis of events really allow you to see the truth long before the release of an update in which the dev of a conditional game finally decides to reveal the truth. In any case, I wish you luck in your personal theorizing and in trying to establish the identity of the blackmailer.

 

[Hungover00]

BaDikGirl, Hungover00
Assuming you're right, it turns out that the mystery woman with the Elysium bag in her hands (in the finale of episode 5) is hardly Victoria. If only because no one at a party expects a visit from an unknown milf that no one invited...So it appears to be someone third, and it may be about ruining Vanessa's life, not Ash's.

On the other hand, even if this stranger manages to stage a wild, uncontrolled orgy at the party involving Ashe and Vanessa, even with the possibility of partial media publicity, it's unlikely that the latter will suffer in any way, given the virtually limitless administrative and financial resources of her mother Moira.

And if the stranger's speech about “ruining her life” is about Ashe and not Vanessa, then the "Victoria blackmailer" theory hardly makes sense (at least in Ash's “sex education” interpretation) and it turns out that the blackmailer is someone else.

In my head, I haven't decided who the blackmailer might be yet, the evidence for either theory is too shaky (imho), but one thing is certain (and I doubt anyone will argue with it) - Delilah is directly involved, and even if someone is behind it (like Victoria), the weakest link in the scheme is she, and I really hope Ashe has the sense to press Delilah at the party and get her to come clean.

Or maybe it really is someone unknown to us, someone who genuinely hates duplexes. Perhaps the same person whose blackmail eventually led to the suicide of that media star/streamer who had to admit to being a duplex. Either way, I'm hoping that phrase from Siren's route description finally starts working, and in the next update a dominant Ashe starts beating the shit out of blackmailers (whoever they are).

I don't think the mystery woman is Ashe's blackmailer.

Read a lot of crazy wild theories regarding thew blackmailer...

Bottom line is, whoever it is has access to Vanessa's house and is local enough to know what Ashe is doing. That rules out a lot of people being thrown about in this thread.

Hack cell phones (I think Fiona mentioned something about that being a problem), Delilah on a scooter/motorbike, or my preferred solution, drones with cameras. And perhaps hack CCTV.

 

[Hungover00]

It's not a statement that you think that way (that Victoria is the same person holding the Elysium package at the end), but rather my thoughts and trying to make sense of it. I myself believe that the blackmailer and the person with Elysium are different people. As for Victoria the blackmailer, I think the problem with this theory (as with any other) is that there is too little data that players are forced to operate with.

As a result, such researchers (I know this from myself, because I am also fond of theorizing, but in other game threads of our forum) are sometimes forced to speculate too much from their heads, which does not always lead to the desired result. Of course, this is a fascinating occupation, and sometimes such reflections and thoughtful analysis of events really allow you to see the truth long before the release of an update in which the dev of a conditional game finally decides to reveal the truth. In any case, I wish you luck in your personal theorizing and in trying to establish the identity of the blackmailer.

The Victoria theory, for me, came out of the lack of positive data, and built back from what little is known, writing conventions, and some betting. A bit like inferring there is dark matter out there, even if the astrophysicists can't point and say "there it is!"

So you're not wrong, but there isn't a positive case for anyone, though most evidence points at Delilah, but that points to an incomplete picture. Delilah blackmailing Ashe alone is rather ridiculous, but she obviously is acting suspicious, lies, and knows too much. None of which really matches her vibe towards Ashe. So, maybe she's working with someone. Who would Delilah trust enough to work against Ashe? Someone she loves and trusts implicitly, and that could convince her she is actually helping Ashe. That leads me to believe it's family. There's only 3 options there, Fiona is a horrid candidate for a blackmail partner for Delilah. Kate isn't much better, especially if you get sexual with her. So, Victoria. Victoria is a named but unseen character, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field (which would be poor writing). The timeline could match up if we propose that Victoria monitors her own bedroom, and while Ashe is making sure Zoey never gets a good perspective to notice her duplo status, she wasn't doing that to the rest of the room that could have had a camera. Victoria seems like she would have the resources and life experience to be able to put something like this together, and know how to play Ashe. The motive is speculative, but sex seems likely both for the nature of the blackmail and the genre of story. Also, all the other potential candidates seem worse to me.

 

[Maviarab]

The Victoria theory, for me, came out of the lack of positive data, and built back from what little is known, writing conventions, and some betting. A bit like inferring there is dark matter out there, even if the astrophysicists can't point and say "there it is!"

So you're not wrong, but there isn't a positive case for anyone, though most evidence points at Delilah, but that points to an incomplete picture. Delilah blackmailing Ashe alone is rather ridiculous, but she obviously is acting suspicious, lies, and knows too much. None of which really matches her vibe towards Ashe. So, maybe she's working with someone. Who would Delilah trust enough to work against Ashe? Someone she loves and trusts implicitly, and that could convince her she is actually helping Ashe. That leads me to believe it's family. There's only 3 options there, Fiona is a horrid candidate for a blackmail partner for Delilah. Kate isn't much better, especially if you get sexual with her. So, Victoria. Victoria is a named but unseen character, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field (which would be poor writing). The timeline could match up if we propose that Victoria monitors her own bedroom, and while Ashe is making sure Zoey never gets a good perspective to notice her duplo status, she wasn't doing that to the rest of the room that could have had a camera. Victoria seems like she would have the resources and life experience to be able to put something like this together, and know how to play Ashe. The motive is speculative, but sex seems likely both for the nature of the blackmail and the genre of story. Also, all the other potential candidates seem worse to me.

LIke I said...completely wild theories...

All based on absolutely nothing shown or told. Victoria cuz...we ain't seen her and she's 'away'....jesus....do you realise how ridiculous you sound...if this...suppose we...if we...if that....

It's all completely baseless with nothing to even indicate it.

 

[Hungover00]

LIke I said...completely wild theories...

All based on absolutely nothing shown or told. Victoria cuz...we ain't seen her and she's 'away'....jesus....do you realise how ridiculous you sound...if this...suppose we...if we...if that....

It's all completely baseless with nothing to even indicate it.

Well, you have fun with your Spaceballs, we'll have fun how we want to.

 

[BaDikGirl]

One of the most telling things for me is one of the scenes where Ashe, Evelyn, and Kate are talking. It's right after Ashe mentions Mrs. Leone getting a divorce. Kate's face is FULL of bitterness when she talks about how isn't it all the same with people like that. Say one thing, but do another behind closed doors. Considering the only other time I can remember her face having that level of bitterness on it is when she talks about Victoria's "business trip", with quotes included, leads me to believe she doesn't believe it's a business trip at all, but time spent with her new girlfriend.



As for the whole "Baseless speculation" thing... so fucking what? At least we haven't spent the last several weeks bitching because the paths shouldn't exist, or they're too soon, or they aren't right, or EVERY thing should be our choice alone, or Ashe isn't behaving EXACTLY how I think she should on one specific path... etc, etc, etc...

I would much rather spend my time ENJOYING the game, and guessing at the mystery than whining that every single scene wasn't created to specifically cater to my wants, desires, and interests, as it seems happens too often, and that goes for almost every thread on this site. People really need to learn to accept the games for what they are, and realize that it is the creator's vision, not ours, that ultimately matters. These are adult games, on a site for adult games, and I really wish more people could learn how to act like adults ABOUT them.

Anyway, if I could offer only one piece of advice to Morrigan, for them to put on a sticky note on their monitor and look at every day until they took it to heart it would be this: NEVER let the audience dictate your art... your art will find it's own audience.

In other words, if someone is correcting a spelling or grammatical error, cool. If they want a character to look, act, or be different in any way... then they can go make their own game.

 

[exjoker \SX]

A game potent in every aspect!

Haven't played this game since v 0.3.0. Hope that this game is making more progress in plot.

 

[Stan5851]

A game potent in every aspect!

Haven't played this game since v 0.3.0. Hope that this game is making more progress in plot.

I haven't played this game since 0.2.0 and have only returned now (deliberately taking a break so that more content could come out). And I can say that when I finished v 0.2 I was under the impression that we were in for a purely romantic story in the vein of Leap of Faith, but coming back in 0.5 I can see that the story has become much more intense, filled with detective elements, keeping the player in suspense and giving new food for thought.

When I played 0.2, there were not 3 different routes, now they are. True for me I chose only 1 route (Siren), it is what is close to me, but I have no doubt that there will be those who will be fun to play all 3. In general, I see that the game is developing.The only thing I would like to the dev - in the future to add to the game animation (if there is such a possibility).

 

[nln0]

I still think the blackmailer is Moira?
1. The blackmailing started after there dinner.
2. She has access to Vanessa's house and it must have cams.
3. She has the money and power to buy med records or just look into Ashe.
4. I don't remember the details but isn't it very like that Delilah is interning that Moria company / campaign office? and that's how she found out or was told about Ashe.

Hell my post about her right after when 0.4 drop is all still plausible.

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But now I would not include Fiona and drop Rachel under Delilah.

 

[Hungover00]

I still think the blackmailer is Moira?
1. The blackmailing started after there dinner.
2. She has access to Vanessa's house and it must have cams.
3. She has the money and power to buy med records or just look into Ashe.
4. I don't remember the details but isn't it very like that Delilah is interning that Moria company / campaign office? and that's how she found out or was told about Ashe.

Hell my post about her right after when 0.4 drop is all still plausible.

But now I would not include Fiona and drop Rachel under Delilah.

Motive and timing seem a bit suspect. Why start the blackmail at 2-3am? Why sexually blackmail your daughter's 'girlfriend?'

2 & 3 are true though. There is access, at least as a possibility.

 

[JEER0X]

your all wrong it's Rachel

 

[Kontralta]

If we're taking bets, I'm betting that the blackmailer is a new character who hasn't been introduced yet.

 

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LOVE the stripper pole in the background, but this seems like Isabella may finally be making a move. She mentioned it back when Ashe was loading Rachel's stuff in the car, but I think she's may finally try something at the party. Could be interesting for those who are interested in her.

 

[Hungover00]

your all wrong it's Rachel

It's possible, but I would also hate MorriganRae if it came to pass, as well as Rachel too. Far too much betrayal to suffer.

 

[Hungover00]

If we're taking bets, I'm betting that the blackmailer is a new character who hasn't been introduced yet.

Would Victoria count? She's only been mentioned.

 

[Hungover00]

LOVE the stripper pole in the background, but this seems like Isabella may finally be making a move. She mentioned it back when Ashe was loading Rachel's stuff in the car, but I think she's may finally try something at the party. Could be interesting for those who are interested in her.

Isabella making a move on who? And which path?