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I think you guys are kinda arguing the same thing but coming at it from opposite directions, with the point being the kitten route only kinda connects the wildly opposite siren and cuck routes...
 
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RonaldGrand6969

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i wholeheartedly dissagree with this. while i agree that kitten is probale the "canon" route, the siren route is by FAr the one most close to it. all it changes are the MCs manorisms to some of the chars.. like a good fan fiction.
but the cuck route activly changes the personas of almost all of the crew.. first and foremost the sister and the mother.
i have no idea how you can play the game and DONT thing that the cuck route is the one that does by far the least sence
I agree, but for a more fundamental reason:

NTR in General, especially when you dig deeper into it, almost ALWAYS leads to the most Nonsensical and Unrealistic Choices or Character Actions. That's not to say it doesn't have its Merits as a Genre, but in terms of Writing or Storytelling, it's only going to diverge more and more from Ashe, or any other Realistic person's Reaction. It may fit her now, but it'll only get worse and more nonsensical later on.

Yes Ashe is Docile, you would assume she'd fit the Kitten Role very well, but if you notice, Ashe also has a Build up of Trauma that she Viscerally vents out. THAT is the Siren Path, the 'Canon' to her Actions. Whether it's being constantly teased by Chloe, or an Erratic Decision she makes after being poked one too many times, or even just a Sporadic Horny push to make herself go further, that's still all Realistically Ashe.

In other words, I could agree to both Paths being 'Canon' or feeling like Ashe. And if anything, Siren will be a more Realistic Role further down the line as she gets out of her Shell and past her Trauma over the Kitten Route's inevitable Narrative Collapse.
 

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The reason why Siren feels so much more hamfisted is due to how unbelievably meek and submissive she's naturally on the Kitten route.
The Cuck route goes almost hand in hand with the submissive route in how Ashe is portrayed, i.e someone who's constantly getting shit thrown at her, someone who never really takes any sort of initiative and someone who's just a nervous wreck that's awkward in any social situation.

Siren has, in a lot of cases, been the complete opposite of that.
You note how most of the crew almost 'change personas' in the cuck route? Yeah, the Siren route is exactly that but for Ashe instead, and since our experience will only ever be through the eyes of Ashe, it's a far more jarring juxtaposition to see how she acts in the Siren route compared to the cuck route.
Except Ashe isn't some massively dominant person in the siren route. Siren route is Ashe growing into a less submissive version of herself who will eventually become more dominant. It branches off from the Kitten route into its own thing. Kitten Ashe and Siren Ashe are the same thing at the start of both routes. Even her internalized self says that it's who she wants to be and not who she is.
The cuck route is predicated on every other character changing into a completely different one with entirely different motivations within the course of 1 night. It takes their character and entirely warps it into something else within one scene. That doesn't happen with the siren route whatsoever.
 

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The cuck route is predicated on every other character changing into a completely different one with entirely different motivations within the course of 1 night. It takes their character and entirely warps it into something else within one scene. That doesn't happen with the siren route whatsoever.
this is what i was trying to convey, my english just was not good enough, thx for that
 

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Except Ashe isn't some massively dominant person in the siren route. Siren route is Ashe growing into a less submissive version of herself who will eventually become more dominant. It branches off from the Kitten route into its own thing. Kitten Ashe and Siren Ashe are the same thing at the start of both routes. Even her internalized self says that it's who she wants to be and not who she is.
The cuck route is predicated on every other character changing into a completely different one with entirely different motivations within the course of 1 night. It takes their character and entirely warps it into something else within one scene. That doesn't happen with the siren route whatsoever.
The point isn't that she's massively dominant, the point is that she's at points behaving wildly out of character for someone carrying her specific flavour of trauma and mental health issues. You don't go from being extremely passive and deathly afraid of people knowing your secret, to basically telling someone to bounce on your dick crazy style on a beach.
That in itself is the perfect example of how Kitten Ashe and Siren Ashe are portrayed as two different people entirely.

Moreover, everyone argues that the Cuck route changes characters, whereas Siren still does that and also includes Ashe.

Mommysbuttslut said:
It takes their character and entirely warps it into something else within one scene. That doesn't happen with the siren route whatsoever.
I mean as I pointed out, it literally does happen. I think people are forgetting that Ashe's main issue behind all the neurotic paranoia and extreme anxiety issue is her fear of having anyone find out that she's a duplo. Someone with those issues does not just throw it all out of the window for someone she barely knows on a beach, full stop. That is a pretty egregious turn of character.
Just trying to argue that "oh it's what she wants to be" doesn't exactly handwave that shit, moreover I don't believe that's what she actually wants to be within the Kitten route, she just wants to not be constantly anxious and afraid and chooses to fantasize about the complete polar opposite of her situation.
 

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So many people seem to miss the subtle flavors of the Siren path. Do I prefer Kitten and believe it to be more than likely the "canonical" route? Absolutely. Does that in any way shape or form detract from the Siren route? Absolutely not. The key, however, lies in the subtle distinctions. Such as in the scene with Lexi on the beach, Ashe mentions how Lexi's responses begin to stir something inside her. It's a slow, gradual build. For me, in the current state of the game, the masterstroke was in Fiona's scene with Ashe before the party. Why? Because depending on your choices on the Kitten route, Fiona offers to get Ashe a towel (If you let her cover you again). However, on the Siren route, it's Ashe who offers to get one for Fiona.

Now, why is that? Well in order to answer that you have to answer one question, but you have to answer it from the view of the BDSM community... Who provides aftercare? It is NEVER the sub who provides it. It is always the dom/me. However, in this instant is a hint that the dynamic between her and Fiona is starting to shift.

I still remember several months ago someone whining because Siren Ashe didn't top Fiona, and they think she should have. I mean, that on it's face is completely ridiculous, because all the way back in Chapter 1 or 2 Ashe muses to herself how Fiona has never been interested in futas, and is probably definitely not interested in her, then wonders is she would be if she told her about her pussy. So, THAT would be another route that changed a character's core design, all in favor of trying to satisfy certain people's personal preferences.

That's just my two cents though.
Please don't pretend you know anything about BDSM. Dom aftercare from their sub is also equally important. It may be a different care but it is still very important.
 

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So many people seem to miss the subtle flavors of the Siren path. Do I prefer Kitten and believe it to be more than likely the "canonical" route? Absolutely. Does that in any way shape or form detract from the Siren route? Absolutely not. The key, however, lies in the subtle distinctions. Such as in the scene with Lexi on the beach, Ashe mentions how Lexi's responses begin to stir something inside her. It's a slow, gradual build. For me, in the current state of the game, the masterstroke was in Fiona's scene with Ashe before the party. Why? Because depending on your choices on the Kitten route, Fiona offers to get Ashe a towel (If you let her cover you again). However, on the Siren route, it's Ashe who offers to get one for Fiona.

Now, why is that? Well in order to answer that you have to answer one question, but you have to answer it from the view of the BDSM community... Who provides aftercare? It is NEVER the sub who provides it. It is always the dom/me. However, in this instant is a hint that the dynamic between her and Fiona is starting to shift.

I still remember several months ago someone whining because Siren Ashe didn't top Fiona, and they think she should have. I mean, that on it's face is completely ridiculous, because all the way back in Chapter 1 or 2 Ashe muses to herself how Fiona has never been interested in futas, and is probably definitely not interested in her, then wonders is she would be if she told her about her pussy. So, THAT would be another route that changed a character's core design, all in favor of trying to satisfy certain people's personal preferences.

That's just my two cents though.
Just want to chime in and say that doms do need aftercare from their sub. Its totally a different kind of aftercare and different for different ppl obviously but generally stuff like if the dom did well, was the sub satisfied and their limits respected especially in heavy scenes questions like that or food etc are all sorts of aftercare the dom too can need. Sometimes even physical intimacy like cuddling is a form of aftercare for some doms after a scene or session. Its a common misinformation that only subs need and get aftercare and not doms. Like some doms even needs aftercare which involves the sub reassuring and comforting the dom that irl they are still a good person and are only sadists or doms in a scene .So who necessarily gives the aftercare doesn't determine the dynamic in a bdsm relationship on a surface level.
 

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Well, apparently I made the mistake of assuming my experiences were more universal. In a little over 2 decades and 3 states, I never once heard that referred to as aftercare. Admittedly, it has been a few years since I've been able to actively participate (my current location is a bit of a dead zone), but I always only ever heard it referred to as "giving service", mostly because of the euphemistic nature. However, the aftercare was only ever used in my experiences to refer to dom/me to sub. If your experiences were different that's fine, but please don't pretend to know anything about me or what I do or don't know.



Thank you for the polite and well thought out response. As I said, in my experience the terminology had only ever referred to one way, but I'm more than willing to accept that my experiences aren't universal. So, apologies for the misunderstanding there.
Happy to help :giggle:
 

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Episode 6 - Progress Report #41
Hey everyone
I've been working on renders, environments and post-processing this week.
Here is the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 100%
  • Environments: 100%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 36/36
  • Renders: 89%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 852/852
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 457/457
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 632/632
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 1033/1033
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 604/604
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 160/600
  • Post-Processing: 65%
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 20%

Release date estimate: September 2025
The last environment is now finished as well, so I can fully focus on finishing those last renders. There isn't much else to report, so see you again next week .

❤ Thanks for your support, and enjoy your weekend! ❤
 

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Episode 6 - Progress Report #41
Hey everyone
I've been working on renders, environments and post-processing this week.
Here is the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 100%
  • Environments: 100%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 36/36
  • Renders: 89%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 852/852
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 457/457
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 632/632
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 1033/1033
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 604/604
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 160/600
  • Post-Processing: 65%
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 20%

Release date estimate: September 2025
The last environment is now finished as well, so I can fully focus on finishing those last renders. There isn't much else to report, so see you again next week .

❤ Thanks for your support, and enjoy your weekend! ❤

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Cabin

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Episode 6 - Progress Report #41
Hey everyone
I've been working on renders, environments and post-processing this week.
Here is the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 100%
  • Environments: 100%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 36/36
  • Renders: 89%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 852/852
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 457/457
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 632/632
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 1033/1033
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 604/604
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 160/600
  • Post-Processing: 65%
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 20%

Release date estimate: September 2025
The last environment is now finished as well, so I can fully focus on finishing those last renders. There isn't much else to report, so see you again next week .

❤ Thanks for your support, and enjoy your weekend! ❤
Never doubted Morrigan !!! Can't wait :giggle:
 

OneWayMissile

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Episode 6 - Progress Report #41
Hey everyone
I've been working on renders, environments and post-processing this week.
Here is the progress:
  • Writing: 100%
  • Coding: 100%
  • Environments: 100%
  • New Characters: 7/7
  • Background Characters: 36/36
  • Renders: 89%
    • Part 1 (9:00pm): 852/852
    • Part 2 (10:00pm): 457/457
    • Part 3 (11:00pm): 632/632
    • Part 4 (12:30am): 1033/1033
    • Part 5 (2:00am): 604/604
    • Part 6 (3:00am): 160/600
  • Post-Processing: 65%
  • Music/Sound: 0%
  • Testing/Polish: 20%

Release date estimate: September 2025
The last environment is now finished as well, so I can fully focus on finishing those last renders. There isn't much else to report, so see you again next week .

❤ Thanks for your support, and enjoy your weekend! ❤
Oh damn 110 renders this week, going to hope that with the environment ready Morrigan will be able to pump more than that the next few weeks so we get the late september release
 

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Oh damn 110 renders this week, going to hope that with the environment ready Morrigan will be able to pump more than that the next few weeks so we get the late september release
You're underestimating the Post-Processing process, this is like polishing render by render manually.
 
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OneWayMissile

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You're underestimating the Post-Processing process, this is like polishing render by render manually.
Im very much not I have no faith in the game coming out this month unless Morrigan is producing 300 renders per week, its still most likely coming out october
 

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We know why it took some time. We are all eager to play next chapter. But in the end what is 1 or 2 weeks longer?

We will get a whopping update. And next episodes will be faster and smaller.
 
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armion82

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We know why it took some time. We are all eager to play next chapter. But in the end what is 1 or 2 weeks longer?

We will get a whopping update. And next episodes will be faster and smaller.
Takes more time to make Vanessa even more beautiful.
 
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