Well i think the drugging idea somewhat Tracks(somewhat), if you consider that (I'm 85% sure) the butt-job(siren)/Foot-job(kitten) happen that night when Evelyn comes home and says she wasn't feeling it With Stella, it maybe that on those routes she didn't drink as much thus less drugged up & the drug she does have in her system makes her think of Ashe(which would be why those 2 moments happen), and in CQ she doesn't think of Ashe because she had Fiona help her in yoga thus felt her cock and not Ashes, thus When the drug kicks in she goes for stella. this is all just a theory though, plus we can't discount that Rachel had the drug as well, and might have taken it at RapeCops place so she could have an excuse if Ashe found out, "oh Ashe i'm so sorry, i think she drugged me and now I'm addicted to her Huge Cock, It's not my fault!"
Well you would assume in the siren path you would overpower the blackmailer whoever it may be and show your dominanice. Im not entirely sure how the cuckquean route would play into it and the kitten route is just having Ashe do what the blackmailer wants.
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I personally think the Siren path Ashe acts to confident too quickly tbh with Lexi and Vanessa. But I do think the Blackmail shit needs just to end in the next update. It almost ruined the entire update for me.
The more I think about the more annoying it is. With how Rachael has told her more than once to call after when the blackmailer gets a call as she wants to help , Ashe doesn't do so and waits several days to tell her. We get no option to fill Fiona in on it would of like to do so at least the Siren path. Hell I would be okay at this point if Ashe said fuck it if people know im a duplo , since she has had sex with 2 people she can't fully trust yet. So there is risk with people finding out.
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It’s funny as I think the exact opposite. She doesn’t act confident with Vanessa at all, but then suddenly *boom* “ask for a blowjob and pull out your cock”.
To immediately go back to meekly presenting your cock.
Either lean into it, or have her be chicken. Not this wishy washy in between. Where suddenly near the end of the date you remember “wait I put a Siren route in the game, better add a siren option to this kitten date”
Ashe could pull out her wang, proudly present it only for Vanessa to pull the “I admire your boldness, but I’m not giving you a bj” card. Which would have been fine.
Ashe gets a little bold and then gets a little embarrassed. Showing she’s trying and floundering in becoming a siren. That would be a way to show attempt at change or growth and pairing that with her needing to figure out how and when to be bold.
Eh, I think Siren Ashe was pretty much set up to succeed with those two encounters. Lexi seems naturally submissive and both she and Ashe were drinking, which lowers inhibitions, and Vanessa was giving an obvious opening to try something lewd.
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Well the blackmail thing did ruin update for me cause it felt like center of it, always looming in the background. Id say overall the game is good and i like it, but there are few major downsides like whole Natasha ordeal and blackmail that prevents me from fully enjoying it.
Ashe isnt overconfident on siren path, all she did was kiss a woman back and stick dick into someone who asked nicely for it, while spending several hours with them drinking, flirting and building up sexual tension.
But that's pretty close to what happens, she grabs it and says she not gonna blow Ashe but she gets "points for boldness though".
I think overall is an acceptable timid first step towards Ashe becoming more assertive, after all it's been less than 3 days since she had that dream/revelation about what she wants to be. It's slow but it's not as tragic as some are making it seem.
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True the drinking did help I think I was putting myself in Ashe's shoe's during that scene since im not a very confident person myself and for me it would of been to quickly to even attempt something like that. Probably same goes for Vanessa.
Yeah honestly if the MC did have sex with Vanessa it would of ruined it and the entire date for me because of the blackmail. It was on the edge of doing so the entire time for me. Only reason the blackmail didn't ruin the update for me is because overall I like the Vanessa date and was what I was looking forward to the most.
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Certainly, Natasha is the character that is spoiling the whole storyline for me personally. She is becoming a pivotal point within the game moving forward...she gives me the heebie-jeebies actually...nothing sexy going on there at all.
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I’m referring to how Ashe holds it out, not boldly. She’s not full on presenting it. shes holding it quite shyly.
The point being, this could have gone to show she’s growing out of her shell. Not like now, where she then timidly retreats again. I’d like to see some emotions go along with that.
I want to see the boldness, not just other characters labelling it such.
So in my version she‘d still pull out her dick, but she‘d hold it out hips thrusted forward. Only to then have Vanessa grab it tug it a little and then tell Ashe with a smirk on her face that she gets points for boldness. But hasn’t earned enough for a blowjob just yet. Then We can have Ashe either turn back to her more timid self or perhaps a little more flustered than timid.
It’s a small change that would emphasise the difference between Kitten and Siren. Showing that Ashe is being intentional, but not experienced. She might copy Natasha’s gym pose, but she’s not as arrogant (and rapey) as she is and has even less experience.
I truly like this game but I'm seriously not a fan of the whole blackmail thing. I genuinely hate anything to do with blackmail whether it's perpetrated by the main character of it's towards the main character. If I was given the chance ingame I'd have refused anything to do with Blackmail. I refused to do anything with the cop, like being a maid, and I'd have chosen the NO option at every prompt when messaging the blackmailer.
Let's hope this gets resolved the next update. I don't mind drama but I just hate situations like these.
Let's hope this gets resolved the next update. I don't mind drama but I just hate situations like these.
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overall I kind of neutral on the whole concept of blackmail in games not my favorite thing but not gonna hate it automatically until I see how it plays it. However after this last update first time I can say I came across blackmail and actually hated it in a game. To me it's handled poorly almost ruined a date with my favorite girl. At least the other games ive played that has blackmail tries to do something about it while Ashe has the option to not listen entirely to the blackmailer doesn't feel she is even trying to do anything to try to stop it and just going with the flow.
I'm at the point even if it might be bad writing as it be to obvious I hope Delliah is found out to be the blackmailer in the next update. So we can move on and wash our hands of that storyline.
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It's unfortunate, as I hoped that on the Siren path we would get options to 'play' the Blackmailer. Try to figure out who they are and what they want. Only playing along, not actually doing anything the blackmailer demands. But alas.
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Great update. I think complaints about the three route system wouldn't be as prevalent if they were just unlabelled soft-routes. The fact that they're labelled and defined is causing people to over-analyse, IMO. That being said, can't comment on any inconsistency with the CQ route because I have no interest in playing it.
"Unlabelled soft-routes" is just another name for the system we had before. Most scenes that had variations were already about some degree of Ashe being more dominant, or more submissive, or voyeur/cuck. The problem is that they changed from "unlabelled soft-routes" to "pick red, green or blue to decide what flavor you're gonna get for the rest of the game".
Losing the ability to mix and match different dynamics with different characters is the main loss from the change of systems, but it also generally sucks for the feeling of tailoring Ashe's character with your choices. They don't matter for that anymore, you already locked in on either Siren/Kitten/Cuckqueen and no other choice you make going forward can change that.
But aside from those design problems, it also causes the issue you mention that now a lot of people will complain that Ashe isn't "dominant enough" in their siren route. It creates expectations that don't match the story the dev is telling, I'm really struggling to see any benefits to the adoption of this route-split with how it was done and how the game is being developed.
But outside of me thinking the route split is a terrible game design choice, I do agree that the update was really good. The story is as well written as always.