VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Deleted member 5730975]

Complaints about that choice, because a lot of people felt it was unnecessary and too cruel toward Lauren, of course the majority expressed their concern in a civil way, but I read there were some harsh words about that.
In a story that was pretty much positive ( despite some very serious points) like OIAL putting a scene like that was seen as a low blow, and I'm honest here, I was glad to know what to do beforehand and avoided that, because I don't like that type of event, even if they are meant as bad ends only.
I just don't like them at all, I already had some issues with the few darker games I play, I don't want to even hear something like that for games like OIAL, or Eternum.
Call me a softie but I really can't stand to see the characters suffer when I can avoid it, I leave certain types of games to those who find these themes interesting, when I play I want to only relax and play a great story with a " and they lived happily forever" ending if possible and nothing else.
I mean there's already the reality to make me depressed, I don't want to see that in my fantasy as well, thanks but no thanks.
Anyway I hope I clarified my point of view about the discussion, and why I don't like to see certain themes or endings in the games I play.

But you can avoid it. Some of the optimal choices in both Eternum and Once in a Lifetime make no sense at all which is my biggest nitpick in Caribdis's games. However that is not the case here. it is very obvious that selling lauren to a yakuza boss is a bad choice. Unless you are not reading the story, I dont know how anyone can think selling her is a good idea.

I like the addition of bad choices and the consequences that follow those choices because it adds some weight to the decision making. Maybe showing the rape scene may have been unnecessary and it could just have been a written description however I am not sure that would have carried the same narrative impact.

I dont want Caribdis to waste development time on a bunch of scenes most players will dislike and will never see but I dont mind the addition of the occasional bad ending here and there. I prefer bad endings that fit into the story such as the lauren rape scene and the penny/dalia breakup scenes far more than scenes where the MC is a horndog - for example I disliked the MC being a creep and peeping on Dalia in the shower and the scene where the MC goes after Eva immediately after Annie gives him her life savings (I loved the Eva scene itself because of the conversation we had with her but I disliked the part leading up to it and the MC's attitude towards the whole thing).

 

[Dylan741]

I mean I can't stand to see the characters suffer either, but I'm not going to complain that it's there if I can easily avoid it. I don't even want to see that scene. Even when someone showed the picture of Penny crying in this thread I quickly closed it because I hate it, and I know for a fact that I will never play this scene myself. Thing is I kinda enjoy knowing there's a bad path I can avoid / have avoided. It's relieving to me, like I can enjoy the good path more. I don't even need to know the details of said bad path, just that the path I took is better and that the bad one is entirely and easily avoidable.

I guess making Lauren a slave was indeed a bit much though that's true, having the MC die probably would have been enough... I mean since that's a game over and stuff.

See ? Isn't it just better to enjoy the good path patting you on the head and smothering you in her chest when you know there's a bad path out there that can't reach you as long as you stay safe in the good path's arms ?

Anywho, I got it. Thanks for the explanations.

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That's exactly what I did as well, I knew that there where scenes that I wouldn't have liked and I simply avoided them.
Sadly not everyone is the same and many are vocals about, let's call them issues, regardless of the fact that they were warned and decided to see them anyway, it's their fault in my opinion, not the dev.
I mean when it's abundantly clear that a choice will lead to a bad scene or end, deciding to see it and then complaining the fault is completely on the player, imho.
I'm not against bad ends, they are necessary in a story that want to be as complete as possible or it would be like a fairy tale, but it's up to the (presumed) common sense of the player to avoid it.

But you can avoid it. Some of the optimal choices in both Eternum and Once in a Lifetime make no sense at all which is my biggest nitpick in Caribdis's games. However that is not the case here. it is very obvious that selling lauren to a yakuza boss is a bad choice. Unless you are not reading the story, I dont know how anyone can think selling her is a good idea.

I like the addition of bad choices and the consequences that follow those choices because it adds some weight to the decision making. Maybe showing the rape scene may have been unnecessary and it could just have been a written description however I am not sure that would have carried the same narrative impact.

I dont want Caribdis to waste development time on a bunch of scenes most players will dislike and will never see but I dont mind the addition of the occasional bad ending here and there. I prefer bad endings that fit into the story such as the lauren rape scene and the penny/dalia breakup scenes far more than scenes where the MC is a horndog - for example I disliked the MC being a creep and peeping on Dalia in the shower and the scene where the MC goes after Eva immediately after Annie gives him her life savings (I liked the Eva scene itself because of the conversation we had with her but the part leading up to it and the MC's attitude towards the whole thing and how willing he was to throw away Annie's gift on a prostitute made him come off as a real piece of shit for me. I think that was the only instant where I disliked the MC).

You said with different words the same thing I said, I agree with you I didn't complain about the bad ends ( or the Lauren one in particular) I just reported what I read about it.
As I said when it's clear that there's a possible bad ends I avoid it, but at the same time I know it's necessary for it to be present if I want a better story, and especially a story that reward me when I do the correct choices.
Uhm, regarding the scene where Orion looks like a creep, honestly to me they are a matter of sensibility and how you perceive them so I don't know I think it depend.
The scene with Dalia in the bathroom is on a grey area to me, I mean Orion was cleaning the bathroom and Dalia appeared all of a sudden, Cari could have played it differently like maybe with her already half dressed and leading to a similar ending but overall I didn't consider that so bad it was a cliché typical of porn, while the Eva one puzzled me too a little, not because it wasn't good but because it was too abruptly after Annie went to get the sword.
It could have been played better? Yes, but to consider Orion so negatively? No, I respectfully disagree with you.
It would have been bad if there was the choice to let Annie know about it, that would have been a bad end plain and square, but as was played it was the typical scene that you could find in a cyberpunk, my only complain is that it was just too sudden, at least that's my opinion.

P.S. About the Eva scene I still have the impression that it was instead a planned scene by Caribdis that will come back in the future, my opinion is that we will see Eva again and maybe deciding to have sex with her will make her a potential side LI, or an ally for Orion and the girls.
It's a gut feeling nothing more, but the fact that she said that Eternum has a way to make people connect again lead me to this thought.

 

[Dorfnutter]

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

Uhm, regarding the scene where Orion looks like a creep, honestly to me they are a matter of sensibility and how you perceive them so I don't know I think it depend.
The scene with Dalia in the bathroom is on a grey area to me, I mean Orion was cleaning the bathroom and Dalia appeared all of a sudden, Cari could have played it differently like maybe with her already half dressed and leading to a similar ending but overall I didn't consider that so bad it was a cliché typical of porn, while the Eva one puzzled me too a little, not because it wasn't good but because it was too abruptly after Annie went to get the sword.
It could have been played better? Yes, but to consider Orion so negatively? No, I respectfully disagree with you.
It would have been bad if there was the choice to let Annie know about it, that would have been a bad end plain and square, but as was played it was the typical scene that you could find in a cyberpunk, my only complain is that it was just too sudden, at least that's my opinion.

P.S. About the Eva scene I still have the impression that it was instead a planned scene by Caribdis that will come back in the future, my opinion is that we will see Eva again and maybe deciding to have sex with her will make her a potential side LI, or an ally for Orion and the girls.
It's a gut feeling nothing more, but the fact that she said that Eternum has a way to make people connect again lead me to this thought.

The reason I dislike the Dalia scene was because Orion was awake, Dalia specifically yelled Orion's name to see he was there and Orion chose to hide. It would be different if he was actually asleep. But with the way it is written, I felt like the choice to be a creep was a deliberate one and I did not like that.

As for the Eva scene I dont like that the first thing that came to Orion's mind was throwing away Annie's life savings just to get laid. I think it would have been very easy to write a different scene where Orion could have met Eva under different circumstances. The sex scene itself was a very good one - it was one of my favorites in fact because I loved the philosophical conversation he had with her. But I did not like the lead up to it.

As for Eva as a potential side LI, personally I hope not because I feel like 7 girls - 8 counting Calypso is already way too much. I want the existing characters to get more screen time and be better developed.

 

[dolfe67]

As for the Eva scene I dont like that the first thing that came to Orion's mind was throwing away Annie's life savings just to get laid. I think it would have been very easy to write a different scene where Orion could have met Eva under different circumstances. The sex scene itself was a very good one - it was one of my favorites in fact because I loved the philosophical conversation he had with her. But I did not like the lead up to it since I dont like it when the game rewards you for making choices where you would end up hurting the LIs. I dont think Annie would mind Orion getting laid but I do think she would be hurt if she saw how lightly Orion was treating her gift. But it just could be that I am reading a bit too much into this and its all in my head.

You're complaining about choices, choices you don't like. If it doesn't suit you well, then don't spend your money to have sex and it's all good. "But if it's possible it means it's his character" No, it's only your choice. It's like complaining about an optional kink you don't like only because the option is present. Build your own canon story.

 

[PervyParadox]

The reason I dislike the Dalia scene was because Orion was awake, Dalia specifically yelled Orion's name to see he was there and Orion chose to hide. It would be different if he was actually asleep. But with the way it is written, I felt like the choice to be a creep was a deliberate one and I did not like that.

I don't feel like the choice to be a creep was a deliberate one (at least not from the character, obviously from the dev since he's writing everything and make these situations what they are). Orion just panics and hides, then commits to avoid awkwardness but take this opportunity to enjoy the sight (so he's taking the opportunity to be a creep even though it wasn't planned, see what I mean ?). I guess him falling asleep in the bathtub could have work too but I mean it still works all and all. We're talking about a time when Orion (who is a horndog, as already established) wasn't as close as the LIs so it's possible to explain why he got to Eva or why he's creeping a little bit when he gets the chance. But it's fine he doesn't need that anymore.

Plus the comedy of all of it is on point. Orion trying to teleport away was kinda hilarious. Dalia's kick and her being mad at him later is also kinda funny.

 

[Dylan741]

The reason I dislike the Dalia scene was because Orion was awake, Dalia specifically yelled Orion's name to see he was there and Orion chose to hide. It would be different if he was actually asleep. But with the way it is written, I felt like the choice to be a creep was a deliberate one and I did not like that.

As for the Eva scene I dont like that the first thing that came to Orion's mind was throwing away Annie's life savings just to get laid. I think it would have been very easy to write a different scene where Orion could have met Eva under different circumstances. The sex scene itself was a very good one - it was one of my favorites in fact because I loved the philosophical conversation he had with her. But I did not like the lead up to it.

As for Eva as a potential side LI, personally I hope not because I feel like 7 girls - 8 counting Calypso is already way too much. I want the existing characters to get more screen time and be better developed.

Yeah, I understand your reasons, that's why I talked about how one perceived it and it's ok to have different views on them, it's the good thing of having a discussion about it.
In the end it's a sign that Caribdis created a really engaging story with characters so loveable that we care a lot about them.

 

[Deleted member 5730975]

You're complaining about choices, choices you don't like. If it doesn't suit you well, then don't spend your money to have sex and it's all good. "But if it's possible it means it's his character" No, it's only your choice. It's like complaining about an optional kink you don't like only because the option is present. Build your own canon story.

I was just stating my preference for bad endings and sad scenes over scenes where the MC gets rewarded for being a horndog. Optional or not, it is a scene in the game and so I am allowed to have an opinion about how I think it fits within the story and affects the character because Orion is not a self insert blank character - he has a proper personality of his own.

I liked the regina + brock scenes and the lauren/orochi scene where the player is penalized for making dumb choices more than the consequence free scenes that reward the MC for being a horndog like the Eva and Dalia scenes - I dont think it being optional or not matters in the context of this discussion. I did not take the lauren/orochi scene as part of my canon playthrough but it being optional does not stop me from thinking it fit within the story, added weight to the decision making and was a good addition for penalizing the player for making stupid choices. But again thats just my preference. Others would disagree with this and say that a rape scene like the lauren/orochi scene has no place in a harem game like Once in a Lifetime but thats their opinion and it is ok to disagree.

 

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[Jehuty206]

Third time in case no one has seen, and because i like trilogy

 

[Takkatakka]

Does anyone know, when the new upgrade comes or how far the development is?

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[greenjf]

Does anyone know, when the new upgrade comes or how far the development is?

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but to make it authentic you should have waited 1 or 2 posts first. That way you could have said something about not having time to search.

 

[Takkatakka]

but to make it authentic you should have waited 1 or 2 posts first. That way you could have said something about not having time to search.

But that might've took too long. By then someone might have asked in earnest.

 

[HogRocket]

Is there ntr/sharing/swinging?

Here's where all the tags are listed, that should help with any questions you may have.

 

[McBenji]

No hate from me but a genuine question: How long does this Dev to create an Update? I remember checking this thread out like 2-3 Months ago and theres still no update.

 

[Lordcasquenoir]

Roughly between 4 and 5 months.

The next update is at 75% of avancement.

 

[Takkatakka]

No hate from me but a genuine question: How long does this Dev to create an Update? I remember checking this thread out like 2-3 Months ago and theres still no update.

About half a year it would seem.

 

[Dorfnutter]

No hate from me but a genuine question: How long does this Dev to create an Update? I remember checking this thread out like 2-3 Months ago and theres still no update.

Latest dev progress as of literally one page ago...

Guesstimate based on current dev prog (4-5% per week) is early to mid July release for highest tier Patrons. As for update sched, dev usually releases an update every 4-5 months following a week after the public release date of the recent update.

About half a year it would seem.

Huh? It's about 4.5-5 months if he makes the July release.

Feb. 14 - Public Release
Feb. 19 - First post regarding 0.6 dev prog/official start of 0.6 development

So if he releases on early or mid July that's 1 to 2 weeks added development time. Add that to the 1 week worth of development he had from February and that counts as about a half or 3/4ths of a month depending on which week he'll release the Demon Tier update. March, April, May, June...that's 4 months. So add all of that that's 4.5-5 months worth.

 

[Takkatakka]

Latest dev progress as of literally one page ago...



Guesstimate based on current dev prog (4-5% per week) is early to mid July release for highest tier Patrons. As for update sched, dev usually releases an update every 4-5 months following a week after the public release date of the recent update.



Huh? It's about 4.5-5 months if he makes the July release.

Feb. 14 - Public Release
Feb. 19 - First post regarding 0.6 dev prog/official start of 0.6 development

So if he releases on early or mid July that's 1 to 2 weeks added development time. Add that to the 1 week worth of development he had from February and that counts as about a half or 3/4ths of a month depending on which week he'll release the Demon Tier update. March, April, May, June...that's 4 months. So add all of that that's 4.5-5 months worth.

June, July, so that would be 5. Not so far away from "half a year" I would suggest. Also since we don't know yet if "early July" will be the release. It took him 4 months for 75% (according to his own estimation), which actually means it takes him ~1 1/3 months per 25%, so that would mean release could be in the later half of July and if there are any problems it might get pushed a week or two.

Bottom line: Right now the realistic release window would be between the second half of July and the first half of August, which would take it around 5 to 5 1/2 months (~half a year) between updates.

 

[Walter Victor]

There is no prize for guessing the release date correctly. Even 'bragging rights' will soon be lost in the stampede to play the game. No one will care.